Tucker Carlson tells college students to "drop out & seek adventure"

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up LMC. I couldn’t freakin’ afford “adventure” - I had bills to pay. What a privileged hack.

He's a bloviator. I do not know why anyone listens to that spoiled brat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

Not PP. You are full of it. Tell me how many of your supposed "poor" peers & cohorts went off and had these scraping bottom adventures and returned to continue on with an education that led to a financially stable MC/UMC future full of opportunity & choice.

I dont know; I didnt go back and do a survey of the post high school activities and life outcomes of my high school peers. I told you my path, and my perspective. I know some people like to imagine we live in a society of no mobiliy, and one in which being a working class or poor kid means a life of unrelenting misery. Unfortunately for you, stories like mine are common. Better tell your kids to study hard because they have more competition than you'd like to believe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

Watch the interview instead of deriving your already biased opinion from someone’s already biased tweet. He said he encouraged all of his children not to go to college but they didn’t listen to him and he said his father told him that college was a “holding pen for the middle class” and his Dad looked down at college as an superfluous bourgeoisie right of passage, basically, and that his Dad put more emphasis on being well read than being credentialed. Like PP said his statements were a lot more nuanced and some were tongue in cheek than what you are implying but of course what is a day on the internet without having the opportunity to rage about a tweet about something you haven’t even seen yourself.

As for his points about college, how are they totally off base when college debt is skyrocketing and there are so many young adults saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debts that they can’t pay off with specialized liberal arts degrees that will never get them high paying jobs? Advising a young person to instead focus on a high paying trade job and investing their savings in an index fund from a young age, instead of racking up debts they can’t pay off until they’re 40, is not the worse advise. If you’re getting a STEM degree from a in-state school that’s an exception, but the average young person would be better off financially in the long run learning a highly sought after trade and not incurring so much debt.

+ a million
These ninnies see “Tucker Carlson” and their rage kicks in. They couldn’t even be bothered to watch the entire interview - just the sound bites that track with their narrative. Thank you for taking the time to engage fairly with those who refuse to do so.

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If people are dumb enough to watch him and believe anything he says, they are beyond hope and no education or training will help.

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The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

A lot of blue collar Dems and even Joe Biden say the same thing, and emphasize that going to community college and trade school is a better option for a lot of kids, but I guess when Tucker says it it prompts a freak out session?

I hate the political discourse these days, where the messenger always is privileged more than the message. In the same interview Tucker also said he “sounded like Noam Chomsky” and castigated the Democrats for being more beholden to corporate interests than they have in the past, when they were a working class / labor balance to Republican corporatism. Is he a “right winger” for saying that or can an actual left winger on economics like myself be thankful he’s getting out a message to ostensibly Republican voters that corporate power needs to be more restrained?

They aren’t saying the same thing and it is out-dated advice. The days are over when a HS grad could get vocational, become an apprentice, and hire on at a factory or other large company, work there for 40 years with good pay and benefits, and retire with a pension. Since the decline of unions beginning in the Reagan years, blue collar workers are likely to work intermittently between layoffs, have to move and change employers multiple times, and at 50 they are discarded with no pension, a bad back and other chronic ailments, and prone to pain medication addiction. Look at the low savings rates of blue collar workers. Look at their decline in life expectancy. Look at their disability rates. It may look attractive to an 18 year old guy to make some money and buy a big truck rather than borrow money for college, but it’s a bad choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sensing a complete lack of humor among you lot. You do realize much of what he was saying was tongue-in-cheek, right? No, clearly you don’t. He had a lot of sensible things to say among the kidding around. Sad that this has to be explained to you, but your outrage is very so typical (and comical).

Nothing funny about encouraging a bunch of dumb rubes to blow up their children’s lives. Unlike Tucker’s kids, there is no Plan B Daddy backup plan for an ill-advised gap year or an unplanned pregnancy. Just debt that can’t be paid on wages they are likely to earn.

Poor and LMC folks don’t get to afford “adventures” - that’s a privileged white brat phenomenon. And given the quality of the males watching Fox News, they don’t have the life skills or intelligence to independently assess what he’s saying. They’ll just do it to “own the libs” and find themselves completely p*ned in the process, which is the whole point.

You're obviously not someone who grew up poor. I did, and I didnt attend college immediately after high school. I did seek adventure, actually, and although I eventually completed a masters plus some postgraduate work, the adventure was more educational and gave me a better sense of self awareness and confidence. In fact, I'd argue that being poor actually expands the world of adventure, because there are more socially acceptable options. A UMC kid can't fish in Alaska, join a carnival, join the military, etc. UMC and middle class kids feel the weight of expectation in a way that poor and working class never will, and that is freeing. See, your idea of adventure even lacks imagination-- an unplanned pregnancy as a post high school adventure? Lol.

There is absolutely nothing freeing about being poor or LMC. The expectation is that you will help your family as soon as you are able, either by putting food on the table for them or paying for your own food. It starts in high school for some kids. To do otherwise is seen as selfish.

And please tell me how a poor kid is getting money to get to Alaska, let alone get established there. The transport and the gear alone will run you thousands. Are you supposed to live in a tent while you secure a boat? The military - great and respectable career, but as a Millennial whose seen enough of her veteran peers come back in flag covered caskets or later take their own lives due to mental and physical injuries they couldn’t overcome and from which the military couldn’t run fast enough, I’d never call that an “adventure”.

I grew up LMC and the people who I know who make the most money went to college for free courtesy of the military and have high paying security clearance jobs because of their military service. It is not without its risks but it is a way for poor and LMC kids to go to college debt free and gain skills and habits that will pay off in the long run.

“It’s not without its risks”. No, it certainly isn’t. If you’re willing to risk your life, you can get a decent job without debt slavery. If you’re willing to risk your life. What a country that this is the best we offer our poor and LMC kids.

Yes, it is messed up. But so is encouraging already financially insecure kids to rack up hundreds of thousands in college debt for non-STEM degrees that won’t pay as much in the long run as trade jobs like a plumber, electrician, etc. If the Democrats would spend more energy trying to increase trade school enrollment; support unionization efforts by people like Chris Smalls and people who are trying to unionize Apple, Starbucks, etc.; and broaden trade education and financial literacy for working class and LMC kids they’d materially benefit the marginalized communities they claim to care about. Instead they spend an inordinate amount of time advocating for boutique woke issues that UMC white people care about, which has the presumably desired affect of signaling their support to these marginalized communities without benefiting them in any material way, which of course is just what their corporate donors want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

Take risks, be a plumber...fine. live that life as am educated person instead of an uneducated person.

Exactly, isn't this what community colleges are for, do two years for minimal expense, get a good liberal arts foundation, and then if you want to keep going, two more years to pay for, which doesn't equate to hundreds of thousands. My plumber has a bachelor's degree, is very well read, subscribes to the NY Times and WAPO, loves jazz and classical music, and is a season ticket holder at the Kennedy Center, and has a number of interests outside of the blue-collar world of plumbing. His line of work gives him freedom and financial security to pursue his many interests, interests that were introduced to him through the foundation of his liberal arts studies.

Also, he thinks Fox News is a clown show car wreck with a few two many circus rings.

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Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

A lot of kids don’t have the privilege of having parents with fully funded 529 accounts. You do know that, right?

I know electricians who make $75/hr and contractors who make $300,000+ a year. Acting like college is the only ticket to financial success is misleading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

Take risks, be a plumber...fine. live that life as am educated person instead of an uneducated person.

Exactly, isn't this what community colleges are for, do two years for minimal expense, get a good liberal arts foundation, and then if you want to keep going, two more years to pay for, which doesn't equate to hundreds of thousands. My plumber has a bachelor's degree, is very well read, subscribes to the NY Times and WAPO, loves jazz and classical music, and is a season ticket holder at the Kennedy Center, and has a number of interests outside of the blue-collar world of plumbing. His line of work gives him freedom and financial security to pursue his many interests, interests that were introduced to him through the foundation of his liberal arts studies.

Also, he thinks Fox News is a clown show car wreck with a few two many circus rings.

Oh yeah? Well my plumber has a part time job teaching CRT to preschoolers AND recycles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

Take risks, be a plumber...fine. live that life as am educated person instead of an uneducated person.

Exactly, isn't this what community colleges are for, do two years for minimal expense, get a good liberal arts foundation, and then if you want to keep going, two more years to pay for, which doesn't equate to hundreds of thousands. My plumber has a bachelor's degree, is very well read, subscribes to the NY Times and WAPO, loves jazz and classical music, and is a season ticket holder at the Kennedy Center, and has a number of interests outside of the blue-collar world of plumbing. His line of work gives him freedom and financial security to pursue his many interests, interests that were introduced to him through the foundation of his liberal arts studies.

Also, he thinks Fox News is a clown show car wreck with a few two many circus rings.

The average DCUMer thinks every tradesman is a toothless rube though because Americans for some reason put more stock racking up debt on a liberal arts degree that gets you a $55,000 salary than a trade job that gets you $75/hr. Attitudes about trade school are more refined in Germany, Italy, etc.

Go to your local Mercedes dealer and asks what a mechanic makes. It’ll be way more than what a Communications major makes…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He's actually right. Did you listen to what he said?

He said, unless you are seeking an occupation in something that requires college, don't go....And, with the debt that is such a burden for so many young people today, it is wise advice.
Far too many kids go to college with no clue about what they want to do. Better to figure that out before you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to figure it out.
He was essentially saying, "Don't be afraid to take risks." Nothing wrong with that.

A lot of blue collar Dems and even Joe Biden say the same thing, and emphasize that going to community college and trade school is a better option for a lot of kids, but I guess when Tucker says it it prompts a freak out session?

I hate the political discourse these days, where the messenger always is privileged more than the message. In the same interview Tucker also said he “sounded like Noam Chomsky” and castigated the Democrats for being more beholden to corporate interests than they have in the past, when they were a working class / labor balance to Republican corporatism. Is he a “right winger” for saying that or can an actual left winger on economics like myself be thankful he’s getting out a message to ostensibly Republican voters that corporate power needs to be more restrained?

They aren’t saying the same thing and it is out-dated advice. The days are over when a HS grad could get vocational, become an apprentice, and hire on at a factory or other large company, work there for 40 years with good pay and benefits, and retire with a pension. Since the decline of unions beginning in the Reagan years, blue collar workers are likely to work intermittently between layoffs, have to move and change employers multiple times, and at 50 they are discarded with no pension, a bad back and other chronic ailments, and prone to pain medication addiction. Look at the low savings rates of blue collar workers. Look at their decline in life expectancy. Look at their disability rates. It may look attractive to an 18 year old guy to make some money and buy a big truck rather than borrow money for college, but it’s a bad choice.

As with any job, trade jobs have opportunity for advancement. The 40 year old master plumber isn’t doing anything beyond subcontracting his work out to younger plumbers and getting paid to check up on jobs he has to sign off on for the sake of permits that won’t be approved without a master plumber’s signature, even though they didn’t actually do the work themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only kids who made it out of my dying rust belt town are the ones who went to college. The rest stayed behind and got addicted to opioids. Adventure, I guess. But one I would prefer my children skip. So 529s it is.

I suspect you dont know this for sure, and are assuming that the ONLY two paths for your schoolmates were staying home or leaving for college. People make a lot of assumptions about the paths that are taken to success. Most poor kids struggle to do well in college if they go immediately-- it can be more beneficial to wait a few years to gain maturity and independence.

Exactly. I’d wager that way more kids spend tens of thousands of dollars to attend a few years of college and drop out rather than those who attend trade schools and drop out.

And again arguing that more working class kids should attend trade schools is a talking point of Dems like Joe Biden and Tim Ryan. Everything isn’t bad because Tucker agrees with it. Grow up.