Please stop spreading disinformation. Public universities are just like Ivies! They are not overcrowded zoos. They don't purposely flunk over half of the STEM first years to force them out of departments. Rah-rah tailgate state! |
OP can't be talking about UVA as first year enrollment hasn't started. That said, its always a rat race and you have to have lots of back up plans. I think this is true of most schools for freshman and even sophomores. |
Go away. |
It's very easy to graduate in 4 if not 3 years from a state public if you came in with 4s and 5s Official AP scores (even 3s, depending on the university). But mediocre underachievers without a handful of strong AP scores, yes, parents ought to budget for a 5th year. And don't forget to account for opportunity cost of one year of lost wages. I think the average starting salary for a college grad is now $50K? So public university cost of attendance of $30K + $50K lost wages = over -$80K for that fifth year. Ouch. |
| Very common at large public universities. That is why a lot of students can't finish in 4 years sometimes...especially in CA. |
I know bright students who've transferred out of both, and yes, they said they felt like huge overwhelming degree mills. That said, the students we know are very sharp private k-12 lifers, so their expectations are higher than the usual dips*** who's just happy to be away from home and partying. |
An entire 5th year usually means you failed classes along the way. Beyond the top public’s, smaller regional public’s accept CLEP exams to the same extent that they accept APs, and CLEP exams can be taken throughout college. |
In other words, sheltered snowflakes. |
I went to a SLAC and experienced it. You could get classes to graduate, but most of the fun and popular classes went to athletes (who registered first) and then to seniors in the first tranche allowed to register. By the time the last tranche of seniors registered those classes were gone. |
I’m here to tell you that at virtually every college and university, most kids party like wild animals. |
Ignorance is bliss. |
No, they're sharp and experienced enough know what a quality education feels like, while the public lifers don't know what they don't know. And frankly, most k-12 public nitwits don't care and just think a football team, a pretty academic building, and a manicured quad makes a college, any college, "perfect".
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Why do you hate public institutions? |
Good morning to the triggered state school graduate who refreshes a Washington DC forum all day from her abode in the Rust Belt. Isn't it sunny yet? Go touch grass. |
Just as the thread captures, they under-fund STEM depts and force thousands of bright undergraduates to fail and/or make them unable to register for courses they need to pursue the most sought after and marketable degrees. While the thousands of fat cat bureaucrats who run the university laugh to the bank, binge drink at football games, and cheat on their spouses at conferences. They do not care about your 18-22 year old children. They won't think twice about covering up a rape. They are awful places to be "educated" or send your 18 year old teen away to. |