This is so shocking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have carefully avoided the Democrat "leadership" that has created this disaster. The sooner leftists take accountability for their failed policies and representatives, the sooner we can correct their deficiencies.

Now do the whole state of West Virginia or Kentucky.

Many kids in West Virginia are dirt poor and almost certainly vastly outperform the kids in Baltimore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have carefully avoided the Democrat "leadership" that has created this disaster. The sooner leftists take accountability for their failed policies and representatives, the sooner we can correct their deficiencies.

Now do the whole state of West Virginia or Kentucky.

Many kids in West Virginia are dirt poor and almost certainly vastly outperform the kids in Baltimore.

You are almost certainly wrong. If you have no experience with rural white poverty, then I guess I can see why your racism and watching of cable news has led you to that conclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is more a failure of parenting than it is of schooling. Also, I suspect a significant number of these kids who are failing miserably are partially retarded, and I mean that in the clinical sense.

This is something that has become taboo to talk about. But intelligence is 70-80% heritable. Children of a community that has been in poverty for generations are much more likely to have low intelligence. Those with higher intelligence pursued their opportunities and moved out.

Yes.
I work with the poor as a case worker and I would estimate that 98% of American families that are generationally poor (meaning those who do rise from poverty within a generation) struggle with one or more of the following:

1. addiction
2. mental illness
3. low IQ
4. a succession of poor decisions OR unfortunate occurrences (i.e. having multiple children without an involved partner(s), sustaining a debilitating accident or disease, etc). Some of these factors are within one's control, many are without.

Otherwise, people are generally able to pull themselves to another economic level without one generation. Thousands of immigrants and refugees arrive in the US yearly without a dime and are usually employed and self-sustained within 5 years.
Their children generally go to college. There are zillion ways (long-haul (or even local) truck-driving, the building trades, associates degree level nursing, etc etc) to start from zero in America and make a decent blue-collar wage for those that do not struggle with the above factors.

[Anonymous]

There is no such thing as “partially retarded.” But a lot of the kids in poverty in Baltimore do have intellectual disabilities from lead poisoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is more a failure of parenting than it is of schooling. Also, I suspect a significant number of these kids who are failing miserably are partially retarded, and I mean that in the clinical sense.

This is something that has become taboo to talk about. But intelligence is 70-80% heritable. Children of a community that has been in poverty for generations are much more likely to have low intelligence. Those with higher intelligence pursued their opportunities and moved out.

Yes.
I work with the poor as a case worker and I would estimate that 98% of American families that are generationally poor (meaning those who do rise from poverty within a generation) struggle with one or more of the following:

1. addiction
2. mental illness
3. low IQ
4. a succession of poor decisions OR unfortunate occurrences (i.e. having multiple children without an involved partner(s), sustaining a debilitating accident or disease, etc). Some of these factors are within one's control, many are without.

Otherwise, people are generally able to pull themselves to another economic level without one generation. Thousands of immigrants and refugees arrive in the US yearly without a dime and are usually employed and self-sustained within 5 years.
Their children generally go to college. There are zillion ways (long-haul (or even local) truck-driving, the building trades, associates degree level nursing, etc etc) to start from zero in America and make a decent blue-collar wage for those that do not struggle with the above factors.

My grandparents on one side are immigrants to this country and I would say that isn’t always an apples to apples comparison
- immigrants and refugees could be well educated in their own country at least up to the high school level. My grandmother had both the education and confidence to teach her kids the basics at home AND make sure the local school was doing their job and navigate/prep her kids to get into magnet programs to get out of the terrible city public schools. My other grandmother born in the country in the rural, segregated South with only an elementary school education was in a different situation.
- Don’t underestimate having family or other people in the immigrant community to help out. While it isn’t always the case, having someone in the family that is already a business owner or can help a newcomer navigate can make a difference. Someone that literally has no family support and no immigrant community network has a harder road to pull themselves up an economic level in one generation. My grandmother born in the rural south had a strong family network and several members joined the military (which offers one path to potential economic stability and education) and that was part of how her children moved out of poverty.

[Anonymous]

That's not shocking, it's expected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew some Baltimore schools were bad, but omg.. I hadn't realized just had bad it was. How can these kids have matriculated all the way to HS? Are the teachers and admin just giving them a pass up? What did they think would happen come graduation time? Would they have just let these kids go into the world with such basic education?

But how do we fix this?

Project Baltimore found more than 75 percent of students at Patterson High School, according to one assessment, are at elementary levels in math and reading.

In reading, 628 Patterson High School students took the test. Just 12 of the students tested were reading at grade level. In Math, 17 out of 575 students tested, were at Algebra and Geometry level math, which are courses required to graduate.

But many have questioned how students, who haven’t learned elementary-level math and reading, made it to high school. Some students are performing at a kindergarten level. A former Baltimore City School Board member says this has been a problem for decades.

“What do we do? Do we kick you out of high school? Do we not let you graduate? Do we doom you to a life of economic failure because you don't have that very basic economic or educational credential? There's no win here,” said Anirban Basu, who served on the Baltimore City School Board from 2005 to 2011.

All very good questions. What do we do?

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/maryland-governor-calls-test-scores-exposed-by-project-baltimore-disgraceful

In a nutshell we get the democrats who have drummed forever here out! The system needs to be audited as they did in Harrisburg pa, the school administrators cleared out and teachers hired who f g care. I live here. I know. We had great options s for this in the last election but not a chance the black community will vote in a different way. I’m sorry but the electorate continuously rubber stamps this with their votes. Hogan is a f g joke, not wanting to piss off the black community in hopes of a presidential run. He could have swooped in with the states power and try to right the ship from within.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have carefully avoided the Democrat "leadership" that has created this disaster. The sooner leftists take accountability for their failed policies and representatives, the sooner we can correct their deficiencies.

Now do the whole state of West Virginia or Kentucky.

Many kids in West Virginia are dirt poor and almost certainly vastly outperform the kids in Baltimore.

25% of the 8th graders in West Virginia score proficient or above on the NAEP reading section compared to 15% in Baltimore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have carefully avoided the Democrat "leadership" that has created this disaster. The sooner leftists take accountability for their failed policies and representatives, the sooner we can correct their deficiencies.

Now do the whole state of West Virginia or Kentucky.

Many kids in West Virginia are dirt poor and almost certainly vastly outperform the kids in Baltimore.

25% of the 8th graders in West Virginia score proficient or above on the NAEP reading section compared to 15% in Baltimore.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Baltimore politicians like Sandy Rosenberg are ripping off the school children with their enormous salaries. Just look into how much he’s getting paid...

How much are Baltimore school administrators are getting?

There’s the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Baltimore politicians like Sandy Rosenberg are ripping off the school children with their enormous salaries. Just look into how much he’s getting paid...

How much are Baltimore school administrators are getting?

There’s the problem.

The Baltimore school administrator makes close to $400,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in a city with a failing district. We are on year two or three of a state takeover, and sometimes I feel like they are deliberately trying to tank the district because it's only gotten worse. My kid is in a charter school that does a lot of things right, but I see many of the same dysfunctions. So for example when my child was struggling in reading, I was told "She won't get services because so many kids are doing worse than her". I know that's not how IDEA works, but many parents would not. My child got a 1 in reading (1-4) scale and no one reached out to us for a conference. In order to get services, we had to spend 3k on an eval and go in with strong evidence of her disability.

What I see schools needing from my conversations with parents, teachers, and admins:
-All teachers need significant training in evidence-based reading methods (not just 8 hours of PD)
-special ed designations are controversial because that's been used to put Black and Latino kids in restrictive environments, but kids need access to more services for their specific learning needs
-full time aid in every classroom (this was the number one thing a young teacher friend asked for, another adult who can deal with serious behavior so she can keep teaching)
-services for families in or near schools (benefits screening, community health centers for example)
-a full time community coordinator in every school who can connect potential volunteers to the schools and listen to and support families (so many free potential resources are left on the table because schools don't have the capacity to work with outside individuals and orgs)
-more programming for families on how to support kids academically and emotionally (with transport, childcare, food to reduce barriers)
-trauma-informed schools with much more access to mental health care in school and in the community. As a volunteer, I've seen way to many kids who have experienced extremely traumatic events ("Miss, I saw them shot my uncle" and then are just expected to go about their business, and are punished if they act out.

This is more controversial, and many people I know disagree with me. I think teachers should not have a pension for retirement. It keeps people who are completely burned out and don't want to teach anymore in the system, because if you only have x years left it makes sense to keep pushing. Some of the school vendors contracts are ridiculous, I was told community members could not go in and deep clean our filthy neighborhood school before the new school year because the janatorial contract prohibited it.

Let me guess: Montgomery County, MD. You’re talking about MCPS aren’t you?

Damn straight on the pension.

[Anonymous]

I know a business professional in finance who is African American. He grew up in Baltimore City. Somehow his parents got him into Gilson. It was challenging for him in Gilson. He had classes in opera. He is very proud that he is a Gilson graduate.

He is one of the lucky ones. He had parents who fought for a better education for a smart African American boy and somehow found the money for his education. (The parents are blue collar workers.)

My friend earns six figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew some Baltimore schools were bad, but omg.. I hadn't realized just had bad it was. How can these kids have matriculated all the way to HS? Are the teachers and admin just giving them a pass up? What did they think would happen come graduation time? Would they have just let these kids go into the world with such basic education?

But how do we fix this?

Project Baltimore found more than 75 percent of students at Patterson High School, according to one assessment, are at elementary levels in math and reading.

In reading, 628 Patterson High School students took the test. Just 12 of the students tested were reading at grade level. In Math, 17 out of 575 students tested, were at Algebra and Geometry level math, which are courses required to graduate.

But many have questioned how students, who haven’t learned elementary-level math and reading, made it to high school. Some students are performing at a kindergarten level. A former Baltimore City School Board member says this has been a problem for decades.

“What do we do? Do we kick you out of high school? Do we not let you graduate? Do we doom you to a life of economic failure because you don't have that very basic economic or educational credential? There's no win here,” said Anirban Basu, who served on the Baltimore City School Board from 2005 to 2011.

All very good questions. What do we do?

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/maryland-governor-calls-test-scores-exposed-by-project-baltimore-disgraceful

I don't think these are good questions. They are easily answered. Giving someone a diploma when they have elementary level skills is not a meaningful credential. It is this attitude that passed those kids with no skills along in the first place. And if you reach your middle teens with Kindergarten level skills, you should not be in a normal high school. You should be in one that provides job training and intensive remedial reading and math only.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a business professional in finance who is African American. He grew up in Baltimore City. Somehow his parents got him into Gilson. It was challenging for him in Gilson. He had classes in opera. He is very proud that he is a Gilson graduate.

He is one of the lucky ones. He had parents who fought for a better education for a smart African American boy and somehow found the money for his education. (The parents are blue collar workers.)

My friend earns six figures.

Uh…you mean Gilman?