Where are my med-free, vaginal birthing EBF mamas who delivered at Sibley??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had three out of hospital non-medicated births so I can't answer your specific question about Sibley. However, if you're insistent on remaining in-hospital you may wish to take a class on natural birth (I like Birth Bootcamp) as you might find that the labor nurses on staff that day won't be able to support you in the way you'd like due to lack of experience with non-medicated births. Maybe also consider a doula.

You've got this! It's all mental. If you're a determined person and you've made up your mind, just stay the course. As bad as it hurt during the worst parts I would just remind myself it would be over soon and I'd get to meet my baby. Ride the waves.

As the mom of a forceps baby who was malpositioned I can assure you that it is not all mental. Much comes down to anatomy, luck, and chance. Not your commitment.

While I don't think it is 100% mental, I also don't think it is 100% luck and chance. Don't be bitter.

You are a completely soulless ghoul. You have no idea how quickly and badly a birth can go wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The key to an un-medicated birth at a hospital is stay away from the hospital for as long as possible and labor at home. I had 2 un-medicated at Sibley but did not go in until I was -- it turned out -- 8 cm dilated. I delivered within 2 hours of arriving both times.

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This. And your OB will tell you the same thing if they’re actually committed to vaginal birth, and if you’re a good candidate. If your provider doesn’t think you should labor at home as long as possible make sure to ask them why.

— Arrived at 7cm, no interventions other than the horrible covid test

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had three out of hospital non-medicated births so I can't answer your specific question about Sibley. However, if you're insistent on remaining in-hospital you may wish to take a class on natural birth (I like Birth Bootcamp) as you might find that the labor nurses on staff that day won't be able to support you in the way you'd like due to lack of experience with non-medicated births. Maybe also consider a doula.

You've got this! It's all mental. If you're a determined person and you've made up your mind, just stay the course. As bad as it hurt during the worst parts I would just remind myself it would be over soon and I'd get to meet my baby. Ride the waves.

As the mom of a forceps baby who was malpositioned I can assure you that it is not all mental. Much comes down to anatomy, luck, and chance. Not your commitment.

While I don't think it is 100% mental, I also don't think it is 100% luck and chance. Don't be bitter.

If you fail to recognize the role that good fortune, anatomy, fetal size and positioning, and genetics play in a successful vaginal
Birth I feel bad for you. Do you get excited that you’re a better pooper or puker than other people? Cause at the end of the day birth is a bodily function we don’t have tons of control over.

But she doesn’t fail to recognize it. She says it isn’t 100% “luck and chance”. Which is also what most doctors believe when they tell you to get certain exercise and do certain things to prepare for birth, they’re not just saying sit on the couch and don’t take a childbirth class because it’s all dumb luck. There is certainly luck and genetics involved, but it’s not 100% luck any more than it’s 100% mental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had three out of hospital non-medicated births so I can't answer your specific question about Sibley. However, if you're insistent on remaining in-hospital you may wish to take a class on natural birth (I like Birth Bootcamp) as you might find that the labor nurses on staff that day won't be able to support you in the way you'd like due to lack of experience with non-medicated births. Maybe also consider a doula.

You've got this! It's all mental. If you're a determined person and you've made up your mind, just stay the course. As bad as it hurt during the worst parts I would just remind myself it would be over soon and I'd get to meet my baby. Ride the waves.

As the mom of a forceps baby who was malpositioned I can assure you that it is not all mental. Much comes down to anatomy, luck, and chance. Not your commitment.

While I don't think it is 100% mental, I also don't think it is 100% luck and chance. Don't be bitter.

If you fail to recognize the role that good fortune, anatomy, fetal size and positioning, and genetics play in a successful vaginal
Birth I feel bad for you. Do you get excited that you’re a better pooper or puker than other people? Cause at the end of the day birth is a bodily function we don’t have tons of control over.

But she doesn’t fail to recognize it. She says it isn’t 100% “luck and chance”. Which is also what most doctors believe when they tell you to get certain exercise and do certain things to prepare for birth, they’re not just saying sit on the couch and don’t take a childbirth class because it’s all dumb luck. There is certainly luck and genetics involved, but it’s not 100% luck any more than it’s 100% mental.

I disagree. In cases of babies being malpositioned, or not tolerating labor well, or having the cord around their neck, or being breech, or mom developing an infection, or labor failing to progress, etc it’s often just bad luck. Nothing mental about those things.

[Anonymous]

Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

[Anonymous]

It's all about cutting. Cutting cutting.

Will forever love my midwives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

It’s not the doctor’s fault, it’s the “mama’s” fault!! She didn’t put enough mental energy to solve the problem.
Obviously. Didn’t mama take a childbirth class? If mama had read the right books she would NOT have a breech baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

I think what happened is they used science to evaluate the efficacy of various options for a breech birth and now they insist on the one that will kill the fewest people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had three out of hospital non-medicated births so I can't answer your specific question about Sibley. However, if you're insistent on remaining in-hospital you may wish to take a class on natural birth (I like Birth Bootcamp) as you might find that the labor nurses on staff that day won't be able to support you in the way you'd like due to lack of experience with non-medicated births. Maybe also consider a doula.

You've got this! It's all mental. If you're a determined person and you've made up your mind, just stay the course. As bad as it hurt during the worst parts I would just remind myself it would be over soon and I'd get to meet my baby. Ride the waves.

As the mom of a forceps baby who was malpositioned I can assure you that it is not all mental. Much comes down to anatomy, luck, and chance. Not your commitment.

This. My baby was stuck and in posterior position. No mind-over-matter can fix that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

I think what happened is they used science to evaluate the efficacy of various options for a breech birth and now they insist on the one that will kill the fewest people. [/quote

As someone with a failed ECV, the doctor 100% tried but it had to do with the position of my son's leg. Pushing much harder could have hurt him.

3 years out, I don't care. I have a happy toddler and a scar below my underwear line
. At the time it seemed like such a big deal. I did so much to try to get him to flip and in hindsight that obsessing was really bad for my mental health.

I'm a mom who a bunch of fitness classes, I climbed a mountain while pregnant and swam regularly up until my due date. Kiddo wouldn't flip. And it honestly doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

I think what happened is they used science to evaluate the efficacy of various options for a breech birth and now they insist on the one that will kill the fewest people. [/quote

As someone with a failed ECV, the doctor 100% tried but it had to do with the position of my son's leg. Pushing much harder could have hurt him.

3 years out, I don't care. I have a happy toddler and a scar below my underwear line
. At the time it seemed like such a big deal. I did so much to try to get him to flip and in hindsight that obsessing was really bad for my mental health.

I'm a mom who a bunch of fitness classes, I climbed a mountain while pregnant and swam regularly up until my due date. Kiddo wouldn't flip. And it honestly doesn't matter.

This is the thing about threads like these. There are moms who are in the thick of it and feel anything other than "you got this mama! Doctors are just in it for that sweet sweet c-section money and don't respect the magic of your body and will!" is discouraging them from trying for a vaginal birth. And then there are moms like you (and me) who once felt that way and on the other side after a C-section we hoped to avoid wish that someone had made us understand that it wasn't that big of a deal. It's certainly not something to tie any moral or personal judgment to, because in many ways it is out of your control. But I'm not sure I would have listened to that someone at the time, either. And so it goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

I think what happened is they used science to evaluate the efficacy of various options for a breech birth and now they insist on the one that will kill the fewest people. [/quote

As someone with a failed ECV, the doctor 100% tried but it had to do with the position of my son's leg. Pushing much harder could have hurt him.

3 years out, I don't care. I have a happy toddler and a scar below my underwear line
. At the time it seemed like such a big deal. I did so much to try to get him to flip and in hindsight that obsessing was really bad for my mental health.

I'm a mom who a bunch of fitness classes, I climbed a mountain while pregnant and swam regularly up until my due date. Kiddo wouldn't flip. And it honestly doesn't matter.

This is the thing about threads like these. There are moms who are in the thick of it and feel anything other than "you got this mama! Doctors are just in it for that sweet sweet c-section money and don't respect the magic of your body and will!" is discouraging them from trying for a vaginal birth. And then there are moms like you (and me) who once felt that way and on the other side after a C-section we hoped to avoid wish that someone had made us understand that it wasn't that big of a deal. It's certainly not something to tie any moral or personal judgment to, because in many ways it is out of your control. But I'm not sure I would have listened to that someone at the time, either. And so it goes.

Yes. And it is possible to hold yet another stance that I will prepare myself mentally and hope for my preferred outcomes while completely understanding and acknowledging that this may turn out entirely differently and I, and baby, will still be just fine (unless we die which would really suck). I can research and hold my ground that I know my own body while also respecting the skill and expertise of the doctor and constantly attempt to keep those both in balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

I think what happened is they used science to evaluate the efficacy of various options for a breech birth and now they insist on the one that will kill the fewest people.

So crazy how that worked out!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't docs know how to turn a breech baby anymore? WTF with medical training these days??

I think what happened is they used science to evaluate the efficacy of various options for a breech birth and now they insist on the one that will kill the fewest people.

So crazy how that worked out!

Except ECV is routinely offered. Because vaginal birth kills fewer women than c-section. So yes you are right, they continue to insist on the one that kills the fewest people.

[Anonymous]

Sibley is not the place to go if you are crunchy granola. There are plenty of midwives at other hospitals.