Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Are you serious? OMG, just no.
DP. Blake’s pretty. Silly to say otherwise just because she’s ugly on the inside.
I don’t want to make this about looks but for the record, please look at Blake’s before, and I mean before before, and after pics. Just do that and you’ll feel better about yourself. Just know that she has had TONS $$$ of more work done than anyone you’ll ever know. That’s not how she really looks.
I appreciate you PP. I think Blake is pretty but it’s obvious that she has had help. I do think that it’s okay to acknowledge that because Hollywood gives a standard that no one can live up to. Most of them have had something done. There’s no point in any of us regular old folk comparing ourselves to the standard that is Hollywood.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Are you serious? OMG, just no.
DP. Blake’s pretty. Silly to say otherwise just because she’s ugly on the inside.
Agree. For someone who cannot stand Blake and it is not on her side at all, she is one of those women that looks good with extra weight. She’s tall and has broad shoulders, big boobs, and big hair. It all balances out really well and I thought she looked good at SNL.
The look wouldn’t be quite the same without the silicone balloons, spray tan, hair extensions, lip filler, blepharoplasty, tooth veneers, rhinoplasties and most likely more. Not body shaming, just saying she’s no model. She’s attractive if you like that type of aesthetic.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
I saw that video and didn’t understand and still don’t understand how this is some smoking gun. I give my phone to my kids all the time to respond to people and make sure they specify that it’s them texting and not me. Couldn’t Les have an assistant that uses her phone to text on her behalf and in that message she was letting Ryan know it was her. I don’t know about that one. It seems like a reach.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
You are nuts. If I haven’t texted someone in a while and I know they text a lot of people I start with a “hi it’s [my name]. Especially not crazy where as here it’s Ryan Reynolds.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
This is a legit good catch. Color me impressed.
Except it’s built on sketchy assumption - I send messages all the time to good friends saying Hi It’s (insert nick name) - that did not look fishy to me at all
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Are you serious? OMG, just no.
DP. Blake’s pretty. Silly to say otherwise just because she’s ugly on the inside.
DP, can you knock it off? It’s legitimately okay for people to not find any one person pretty.
It's not the Blake side that's getting all bent out of shape over it. Someone posted they aren't a BL fan but she's pretty and the response was "Are you serious? OMG, just no." And then PP agreed she was pretty but ugly inside, so not even fans of her. There are people in this thread who get mortally offended if you post something that's not completely and totally negative about Lively.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
You are nuts. If I haven’t texted someone in a while and I know they text a lot of people I start with a “hi it’s [my name]. Especially not crazy where as here it’s Ryan Reynolds.
It was August 13, doubtful they hadn’t texted in a while. This is after that “everyone hates Justin” collusion with the media.
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Ah yes, and we should all teach our daughters to orbit predators like Harvey too? Whatever it takes! And if you have to fabricate sexual harassment claims to steal a project and try to repair your awful image, you do it! If your husband wants to make a joke at your expense on national TV, let him!
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Are you serious? OMG, just no.
DP. Blake’s pretty. Silly to say otherwise just because she’s ugly on the inside.
I don’t want to make this about looks but for the record, please look at Blake’s before, and I mean before before, and after pics. Just do that and you’ll feel better about yourself. Just know that she has had TONS $$$ of more work done than anyone you’ll ever know. That’s not how she really looks.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
This is a legit good catch. Color me impressed.
Except it’s built on sketchy assumption - I send messages all the time to good friends saying Hi It’s (insert nick name) - that did not look fishy to me at all
We obviously need more evidence (like everything in this case) but it doesn’t look great. Context will be the give away. Was it a new number, was it someone else’s phone and she jumped on? They’ll find out in discovery, but if none of those things are true it looks crazy. The overall thread reads like an alibi. Ryan says something like “remember I also told you in Denmark not to say anything” and she says something like “I haven’t per your instructions”. I’m paraphrasing but that’s the gist. Let’s hope the trial is televised lol lol
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Are you serious? OMG, just no.
DP. Blake’s pretty. Silly to say otherwise just because she’s ugly on the inside.
DP, can you knock it off? It’s legitimately okay for people to not find any one person pretty.
And it is equally legit for others to find some one pretty:
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Ah yes, and we should all teach our daughters to orbit predators like Harvey too? Whatever it takes! And if you have to fabricate sexual harassment claims to steal a project and try to repair your awful image, you do it! If your husband wants to make a joke at your expense on national TV, let him!
Men like HW are the reason why Blake felt the need to have extensive plastic surgeries.
Anonymous wrote:I’m really curious how this movie made so much money. It’s currently grossed over $350 million, which is a crazy amount for a domestic violence film. Baldwin has come nowhere close to these numbers — Five Feet Apart grossed 45 million but Clouds grossed far less, I can’t even find real numbers but maybe only $2 million? Lively’s A Simple Favor (I) with Kendrick grossed about $100 million. I don’t think Hoover’s ever come close to this before. Was the success in fact from all the controversy? Was Reynold’s promotion firm really successful here? $350 million is a lot of viewers.
Maybe this was the plan all along, sort of reverse psychology. Even negative attention is better than no attention.
No,no. You guys are missing that Colleen Hoover‘s book was hugely popular. People have been waiting for this movie to be made for years and there was a lot of attention on it as soon as it was announced. She has a ginormous fan base. Another one of her books, verity, is being made with Anne Hathaway, Josh Hartnett, and Dakota Johnson.
I personally don’t understand the popularity of the books, but she is a huge deal. This was a really covered role that Blake scored.
Sorry, should say coveted role.
I mean, okay, but Come. On. Three past Hoover books have been made into movies: Ugly Love, Confess, and Maybe Someday, and none of them have made anywhere near this much money. I don't think I've heard of them, even. Not that fans may not have been looking out for this one, particularly, but are you really saying that would get the movie to $350M? I think It Ends With Us sold one or two million last year - that's not really getting into the half-of-a-Marvel-movie where the film's gross wound up, as far as I'm aware.
Anne Hathaway is an Oscar winner. SHe has her pick of any roles. The fact that she’s doing verity means these movies are going to be seen. I think you are really over estimating Blake here and really underestimating the machine that is Colleen Hoover.
It's being made by Amazon studios, though, and it's not yet clear if it's getting a theater release. It may be streaming only. Hathaway's last movie (The Idea of You) was a streaming-only feature on Prime, and she also was one of the big names who did an episode of their Modern Love series a few years ago (Tina Fey also did an episode, there were other A-list type people in it). She also starred in that WeCrashed series about the WeWork people -- I don't think that was Amazon though, maybe Max? Still a streaming product.
Streaming makes it much harder to evaluate the market for actor's box office power these days. Lots of big stars do streaming-only movies and limited series these days, and the streamers spend HUGE money on those productions right now, so it can be quite lucrative for the creators involved. But unlike a film with a theater release, you never get the kind of clear numbers with streaming products -- the streamers don't even release a transparent list of top streamed shows or movies (they release these partial lists but it's often not even clear what they represent because there are lots of ways to count something as "viewed" that don't necessarily equate to a ticket sale in a movie theater).
All of which is not to say that Colleen Hoover is not a lucrative product right now -- obviously she's having a moment and studios like that her book adaptations have a build in audience. In fact the success of IEWU actually makes it more likely that Verity will get a theater release of some kind. But I also think you can argue that IEWU outperformed expectations even knowing it was a popular Hoover book with a decent following. One thing I will note is that international box office accounted for over 200m of its box office -- that's huge. I think Hoover might have a decent following in Europe, but also Lively went out of her way to go promote the film in London (attended the London premiere in person and paid for Ferrer to accompany her to it on Lively's own dime -- not sure if Lively also paid for her own travel/lodging for that premiere as well). I think you can argue that Lively played an important role in the success of the movie given it's international success, because of her willingness to go the extra mile on the promotional tour and also because of her recognizability to an international audience thanks to both Gossip Girl and her association with Reynolds. She's also a fashion darling and may receive more pressing Europe because of that -- her relationship with Vogue and certain designers (including Versace who did a lot of her clothes for the promotional tour for IEWU) is pretty well known among people interested in fashion.
She’s a fashion nightmare but ok
PP here and I personally don't like her style but that's beside the point. She's got good relationships with designers and fashion editors including a really good relationship with Vogue. She did the Vogue cover in September to coincide with the release of IEWU (the September issue comes out in August, and also is considered the most important issue of the year so the cover is a big get). She's hosted the Met Gala more than once and tends to be more involved and get better reviews than most celebrity hosts. She is a frequent front row guest at both Paris and New York fashion weeks and has attended Paris FW with Anna Wintour which is a weird special honor that tends to go to this very small group of actresses who Wintour dotes on (Emma Stone would be another actress in this group).
I find her personal fashion kind of obvious BUT it's true she famously does not work with a stylist and that she generally looks great on red carpets, which means she does know something because that's really hard to do -- not just because it requires understanding what looks good and how to put the whole look together, but it's also a logistics challenge because it means she has to have the relationships directly with designers and know how to manage the kind of political/interpersonal aspect of it which is more complicated than you might realize.
All of which is to say that Lively has some special attributes as an actress that would make her especially appealing from a box office standpoint for a movie with a primarily female audience in the 18-35 and 35-50 demographics -- those overlap perfectly with the audience for fashion content whether you are talking about Vogue magazine or In Style or just people who pay close attention to fashion blogs and red carpet events. And given IEWU's international box office, I would bet that her willingness to go abroad to promote the movie, to wear big name fashion and do red carpet events in London where it's going to get picked up by European fashion press who are already very familiar with her, translates to actual money for the studio in a very real way. Ever magazine article, blog post, and social media photo of Lively wearing big name fashion on a red carpet while promoting the movie is worth a lot of exposure that it could be hard to get with another actress. It's real value she brings to the project.
I mean, sure if you like tons of gaudy bangles and large chunky earrings, and colorful mismatched prints. It’s trying a little too hard and outdated but whatever floats your boat. With the huge hair, huge white teeth, huge silicone breasts…less is probably more. She’s like her bff TS, far from a style icon. This is partly why I fail to see Europeans following her, as they tend to have more sophisticated low key style generally.
Lol to the idea that Europeans as a group have "sophisticated, low key" style. American fashion is much more stripped down and low key when compared to what comes out of Europe, with the excess of the couture houses as well as all the avant garde fashion that comes out of London/Paris/Copenhagen. European fashion is not low key at all. Sophistication is in the eye of the beholder.
Europeans in general are not wearing avant garde high fashion couture on the daily.
You are really missing the point. It doesn't matter what Europeans wear daily. The point is that Lively will get quite a bit of press in Europe by showing up to events there and wearing designers like Stella McCartney and Tamara Ralph. Her outfit for the London premier got a ton of play in the fashion/celebrity press both in the UK/EU and in the US because it was eye popping and beautiful -- it made for a very pretty picture which makes it easy for photo editors to grab it and use it because it will attract eyeballs.
I'm sure there are plenty of Europeans who would roll their eyes at it and never wear anything like it (or the oversized white McCartney suit she wore as well) and find it tacky. I find it tacky! But Lively understands the fashion world and the fashion press and she definitely worked that knowledge to the best of her ability to sell this movie, which might be why it over performed at the box office so much.
Blake needs a stylist asap, but her bad sense of style is a type of karma, so just let it go.
Not that I understand fashion but what on earth does the bolder mean?
Is anything really bad taste anymore? In RL for sure but celebrities and pop musicians get away with some really bizarre outfits.
She was fat in her SNL corset, and all the slap and veneers and piles of jewelry make it all worse.
Not a BL fan but she looked pretty. I could also see her staying a little bigger to help her case ie that she was fat shamed. Keep in mind what looks bigger on camera would be considered super skinny in the real world. We should all like to look like her.
Are you serious? OMG, just no.
DP. Blake’s pretty. Silly to say otherwise just because she’s ugly on the inside.
I don’t want to make this about looks but for the record, please look at Blake’s before, and I mean before before, and after pics. Just do that and you’ll feel better about yourself. Just know that she has had TONS $$$ of more work done than anyone you’ll ever know. That’s not how she really looks.
Was all this work done prior to Gossip Girl?
No, some, most likely at least one rhinoplasty for GG and maybe tooth veneers at some point. Not sure when the breast implants, lip fillers, bleph?, hair extensions happened. She’s had a ton of work done if you look at her pics as a teen.
Anonymous wrote:Just watched a YouTube video that called out something really interesting in Leslie Sloane’s filing. She includes text messages between she and Ryan where he’s explicitly telling her not to smear Justin. However, the problem is she starts the text “Hi, it’s Les” even though she’s been his PR for a decade. No one starts a text like that with someone they know (her number should be in his phone and if it wasn’t he wouldn’t have responded without verifying). Dead give away that they were creating a paper trail for their alibi. The rest of it reads very much like an alibi. Fascinating.
You are nuts. If I haven’t texted someone in a while and I know they text a lot of people I start with a “hi it’s [my name]. Especially not crazy where as here it’s Ryan Reynolds.
Agree it's a huge leap.
Also having known fame-adjacent people, I would not be surprised at all if they use multiple phones or often have an assistant handling their phone. If this was mid-August, it would have been right in the midst of Reynolds doing press with Lively for IEWU plus continuing to promote Deadpool, plus Welcome to Wrexham was nominated for an Emmy right around that time as well. Ryan Reynolds was not sitting in his office checking texts between reading emails and working on a document. He was traveling constantly promoting multiple projects. It is entirely reasonable that anyone who works with him is in the habit of identifying themselves when texting, sorry.
You know how a lot of people don't believe Lively because they feel she doesn't have enough "hard evidence" of inappopriate things happening on set? Well speculation like this is NOT hard evidence. It's flimsy sht. Come on.
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