Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:But everything she does is a photo op. She literally can barely leave her apartment without being photographed. And even he has been photographed putting gas in his car, picking up takeout, and just driving around. The two of them photographed together is no different.

There are many other people as famous as she is that don’t have their relationships photographed this much. Certainly there is some amount of this that is inevitable but be serious.

I couldn’t be more serious. And I ‘m also not saying I condone it. I don’t. But they are not photographing themselves and putting the pictures out there. Or are you suggesting they have people planted out there to photograph their every move? If that’s the case you’re the one who needs to be serious.

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Anonymous wrote:But everything she does is a photo op. She literally can barely leave her apartment without being photographed. And even he has been photographed putting gas in his car, picking up takeout, and just driving around. The two of them photographed together is no different.

There are many other people as famous as she is that don’t have their relationships photographed this much. Certainly there is some amount of this that is inevitable but be serious.

I couldn’t be more serious. And I ‘m also not saying I condone it. I don’t. But they are not photographing themselves and putting the pictures out there. Or are you suggesting they have people planted out there to photograph their every move? If that’s the case you’re the one who needs to be serious.

Everyone knows celebrities tip off the paparazzi.

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Anonymous wrote:But everything she does is a photo op. She literally can barely leave her apartment without being photographed. And even he has been photographed putting gas in his car, picking up takeout, and just driving around. The two of them photographed together is no different.

There are many other people as famous as she is that don’t have their relationships photographed this much. Certainly there is some amount of this that is inevitable but be serious.

I couldn’t be more serious. And I ‘m also not saying I condone it. I don’t. But they are not photographing themselves and putting the pictures out there. Or are you suggesting they have people planted out there to photograph their every move? If that’s the case you’re the one who needs to be serious.

Do you think celebrities never inform the photographers as to where they are? 😂

Of course they do. They have a love - hate relationship but they make arrangements at times. Not every celebrity but some.

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Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

What does longevity have to do with if something is fake? There are gay men in fake bearding relationships for years. There’s no time limit.

Throughout this thread there have been numerous "I predict they're done at xyz time." And they're wrong. Every time. Is the point.

I can't fathom putting so much energy into believing a relationship is fake. I mean, hell, it may be and my life won't change at all. Isn't it more fun to believe that people found love rather than finding every reason under the sun for a relationship to be fake?

The vast majority of those comments predicted it it would last at least through the Superbowl. It did. Very few people thought they would have broken up by the end of February.

I don't it's a fake relationship but I think they are shallow people who enjoy the attention and that it's more likely to fail than not. I find the belief that it's "true love" mildly comical given their respective dating history. I think they are both the type to enjoy intense initial love bombing type relationships and then flee as soon as reality sets in.

I also think had or not been for Covid and the fact that Taylor had kind of fled to London to escape criticism over the whole Kim/Kanye/snake thing (which I think she overreacted to), she would have lasted 2 years, tops, with Joe. I also think they were apart and she was seeing Matty Healy for a lot longer than people think.

Yes! I also think she was dating Healy for much longer than stated. They were telling each other they loved each other from the stage only last spring. If they’d only been dating a month—as they claimed—that’s weird they’d be professing love during their concerts at that point. So I think they were dating much longer.

I suspect she cheated on Joe because she was “working” with Matty on music, and Joe thought the two of them were only working together.

Taylor Swift and Matt Healy never dated. You people are unreal.

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/news/a34931/matt-healy-on-taylor-swift-q-magazine/

That article is from 2016, friend.

They definitely dated last year and were pretty public about it at concerts. I personally think it's likely the relationship predates the announcement of her split with Joe specifically because Taylor and Matty have the history outlined in this article. He was the guy that got away because the timing wasn't right, but then when things were falling apart with Joe, he was right there.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

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There is no way she can go anywhere without being photographed. She doesn’t need to tip anyone off. The entirety of the Australian press has been following her every move, and his. I understand other celebrities do this, but that’s to get famous or increase fame or rehab their image, etc. She needs none of that.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way she can go anywhere without being photographed. She doesn’t need to tip anyone off. The entirety of the Australian press has been following her every move, and his. I understand other celebrities do this, but that’s to get famous or increase fame or rehab their image, etc. She needs none of that.

She might not need it but she does it. I mean she did it a lot when she was still building up her career too. But she still does it, and more frequently than other celebs. That's why you so often see stories about who she went to dinner with, where, plus high quality paparazzi photos that feature her full outfit. These are photo ops her team arranged to project a certain image and keep her in the news cycle. She will even ramp it up to promote an album or tour. This is why many of us sense there is at least a large element of the Kelce relationship that is PR based. It was just too perfect-- an opportunity to be on national TV on a weekly basis between the end of her US tour and the start of her internation tour, leading very nearly up to the Grammy's and the very carefully timed announcement of the new album?

Also, yes she can avoid being photographed. She gets followed but it's not Princess Diana level hounding. She's also got a full security team, a fleet of vehicles, and enough money to get her into lots of rich person places where she could enjoy privacy, especially for a date. Restaurants that will shut down or have private dining rooms, resorts and hotels that cater to private celebrities, etc. How do you think people like Jeff Bezos, Tom and Gisele, the Clinton's, the BRF, Lady Gaga, etc. function in the world? They use money and connections to access experiences without anyone looking. And most of those people have less money than Taylor.

If we see Taylor doing something that seems intimate and personal, it's because she wants us to see it. She holds all the cards here.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way she can go anywhere without being photographed. She doesn’t need to tip anyone off. The entirety of the Australian press has been following her every move, and his. I understand other celebrities do this, but that’s to get famous or increase fame or rehab their image, etc. She needs none of that.

She might not need it but she does it. I mean she did it a lot when she was still building up her career too. But she still does it, and more frequently than other celebs. That's why you so often see stories about who she went to dinner with, where, plus high quality paparazzi photos that feature her full outfit. These are photo ops her team arranged to project a certain image and keep her in the news cycle. She will even ramp it up to promote an album or tour. This is why many of us sense there is at least a large element of the Kelce relationship that is PR based. It was just too perfect-- an opportunity to be on national TV on a weekly basis between the end of her US tour and the start of her internation tour, leading very nearly up to the Grammy's and the very carefully timed announcement of the new album?

Also, yes she can avoid being photographed. She gets followed but it's not Princess Diana level hounding. She's also got a full security team, a fleet of vehicles, and enough money to get her into lots of rich person places where she could enjoy privacy, especially for a date. Restaurants that will shut down or have private dining rooms, resorts and hotels that cater to private celebrities, etc. How do you think people like Jeff Bezos, Tom and Gisele, the Clinton's, the BRF, Lady Gaga, etc. function in the world? They use money and connections to access experiences without anyone looking. And most of those people have less money than Taylor.

If we see Taylor doing something that seems intimate and personal, it's because she wants us to see it. She holds all the cards here.

Taylor could avoid being photographed but she has stated multiple times that she wants to live her life as normally as possible without fear of being papped. She’s also more famous than all those people you listed. Is there even a market for Bezos and Clinton pictures that would cause any paps to follow them?

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

She didn’t shut the zoo down for a private tour and require all zoo staff to sign NDA. There were hundreds of other people there who were posting details about Swift to social media. Plus the drone. Pretty easy to piece together what she did and who she was with.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

She didn’t shut the zoo down for a private tour and require all zoo staff to sign NDA. There were hundreds of other people there who were posting details about Swift to social media. Plus the drone. Pretty easy to piece together what she did and who she was with.

Right, she made virtually no effort to make that a more private outing. She went out of her way to pick a very visible, public setting for her "date," in order to maximize the public exposure/photos.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

She didn’t shut the zoo down for a private tour and require all zoo staff to sign NDA. There were hundreds of other people there who were posting details about Swift to social media. Plus the drone. Pretty easy to piece together what she did and who she was with.

Right, she made virtually no effort to make that a more private outing. She went out of her way to pick a very visible, public setting for her "date," in order to maximize the public exposure/photos.

Or she simply wanted to go to the zoo and didn’t care who saw her. The only private place in Sydney for someone as famous of Taylor is her hotel suite.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

She didn’t shut the zoo down for a private tour and require all zoo staff to sign NDA. There were hundreds of other people there who were posting details about Swift to social media. Plus the drone. Pretty easy to piece together what she did and who she was with.

Right, she made virtually no effort to make that a more private outing. She went out of her way to pick a very visible, public setting for her "date," in order to maximize the public exposure/photos.

Or she simply wanted to go to the zoo and didn’t care who saw her. The only private place in Sydney for someone as famous of Taylor is her hotel suite.

Completely disagree because of the drone and the fact that a national broadcasting company manned the drone. The Australian government helped to equally pass out tickets to the concerts. Papa Swift would have a heart attack if a drone suddenly followed his daughter. The Swift team knew the drone was there.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

She didn’t shut the zoo down for a private tour and require all zoo staff to sign NDA. There were hundreds of other people there who were posting details about Swift to social media. Plus the drone. Pretty easy to piece together what she did and who she was with.

Right, she made virtually no effort to make that a more private outing. She went out of her way to pick a very visible, public setting for her "date," in order to maximize the public exposure/photos.

Or she simply wanted to go to the zoo and didn’t care who saw her. The only private place in Sydney for someone as famous of Taylor is her hotel suite.

Completely disagree because of the drone and the fact that a national broadcasting company manned the drone. The Australian government helped to equally pass out tickets to the concerts. Papa Swift would have a heart attack if a drone suddenly followed his daughter. The Swift team knew the drone was there.

Possibly, but again, as PP said, she’s stated she’s done hiding. So if she wants to go to the zoo, she’s going to the zoo. In public. Outdoors. Where it’s summer. She obviously loved it. She went twice. Why can’t she just enjoy what everyone else gets to do when visiting Sydney without it being such a thing for some of you?

I do think this is almost princess Diana level minus her drivers running from the paps.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure I saw that the national Australian news had a drone following TNT at the zoo. I’m sure her dad signed off on it.

I mean, the reports on their zoo date listed everyone present and what they did at the zoo, not all of which is even apparent in those photos. It was 100% set up for photos and her people leaked details to the press. Just like details of her dinner date with Sabrina Carpenter got leaked the day before, and details of her outings with other celebs. Taylor has been doing this for years, though I think the deal with Joe was that he didn't want her to use their relationship for press fodder so there was less of this. But Travis is very happy to be press fodder, it's the whole reason he's "dating" her.

She didn’t shut the zoo down for a private tour and require all zoo staff to sign NDA. There were hundreds of other people there who were posting details about Swift to social media. Plus the drone. Pretty easy to piece together what she did and who she was with.

Right, she made virtually no effort to make that a more private outing. She went out of her way to pick a very visible, public setting for her "date," in order to maximize the public exposure/photos.

Or she simply wanted to go to the zoo and didn’t care who saw her. The only private place in Sydney for someone as famous of Taylor is her hotel suite.

Completely disagree because of the drone and the fact that a national broadcasting company manned the drone. The Australian government helped to equally pass out tickets to the concerts. Papa Swift would have a heart attack if a drone suddenly followed his daughter. The Swift team knew the drone was there.

Taylor was also photographed at the same zoo the day prior to her visit with Travis.