Guiliani, Trump, and Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume that just because someone is a lawyer and doing stuff for someone else doesn't necessarily mean the stuff they are doing constitutes legal work or legal work production, right? So (disregarding stuff that could potentially constitute criminal activity) is there some kind of rule of thumb as to whether the stuff comes under lawyer-client privileged communication or work product?

It's sounding like Rudy is going with the spin that he was doing stuff to protect Trump from the Mueller investigation and that seamlessly leads into doing other stuff but it's all under one Trump umbrella so therefore protected?

You are correct that attorney client privilege does not apply to criminal behavior. Neither does executive privilege.

Right, I know that. . . . but other than criminal behavior?

[Anonymous]

Ukrainian Oligarch Firtash linked to Giuliani pals' gas deals and Biden dirt digging
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1067516?__twitter_impression=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume that just because someone is a lawyer and doing stuff for someone else doesn't necessarily mean the stuff they are doing constitutes legal work or legal work production, right? So (disregarding stuff that could potentially constitute criminal activity) is there some kind of rule of thumb as to whether the stuff comes under lawyer-client privileged communication or work product?

It's sounding like Rudy is going with the spin that he was doing stuff to protect Trump from the Mueller investigation and that seamlessly leads into doing other stuff but it's all under one Trump umbrella so therefore protected?

You are correct that attorney client privilege does not apply to criminal behavior. Neither does executive privilege.

Right, I know that. . . . but other than criminal behavior?

No executive privilege for communications outside the executive branch. No attorney-client privilege for non-legal activities (like carrying secret messages to the Ukrainian government).

[Anonymous]

Axios:

Kurt Volker told lawmakers in a closed-door testimony that Bill Taylor was worried Trump might be willing to trade away Ukraine's interests as part of a grand bargain with Russia


Uh, this kinds sounds like maybe Seth Abrahmson is right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Axios:

Kurt Volker told lawmakers in a closed-door testimony that Bill Taylor was worried Trump might be willing to trade away Ukraine's interests as part of a grand bargain with Russia


Uh, this kinds sounds like maybe Seth Abrahmson is right?

And that's what happened. Taylor was right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Axios:

Kurt Volker told lawmakers in a closed-door testimony that Bill Taylor was worried Trump might be willing to trade away Ukraine's interests as part of a grand bargain with Russia


Uh, this kinds sounds like maybe Seth Abrahmson is right?

And that's what happened. Taylor was right.

It was more of a give-away than a trade.

[Anonymous]

Exclusive Wall Street Journal interview with Rick Perry, who says Trump wouldn’t schedule a meeting with Zelensky and told Perry to find out why from Giuliani.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rick-perry-called-rudy-giuliani-at-trumps-direction-on-ukraine-concerns-11571273635?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/sIxFA6eT4Z

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Axios:

Kurt Volker told lawmakers in a closed-door testimony that Bill Taylor was worried Trump might be willing to trade away Ukraine's interests as part of a grand bargain with Russia


Uh, this kinds sounds like maybe Seth Abrahmson is right?

And that's what happened. Taylor was right.

It was more of a give-away than a trade.

Well, we know the US didn’t get anything, but we don’t know what Trump himself got.

[Anonymous]

Rudy Giuliani brought this Russian mobster to George H.W. Bush’s funeral.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mattberman/rudy-giuliani-lev-parnas-bush-funeral

Read Parnas’s resume. It’s an encapsulation of every mob movie you’ve ever seen.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/17/lev-parnas-giuliani-ukraine-past-049677

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the committee that received the illegal donations is America First Action, chaired by Linda McMahon, the former head of the Small Business Administration.

America First Action is riddled with campaign finance violations. An illegal $500,000 contribution from the federal contractor called “Committee 1” in the Parnas/Fruman indictment is just the beginning - there are also millions from Canadian companies and illegal coordination with the Trump campaign.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-pro-trump-super-pac-at-the-center-of-the-ukraine-scandal-has-faced-multiple-campaign-finance-complaints

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

What do they say about when you’re in a hole?



Friends With Benefits: Donald and Rudy’s Long, Strange Partnership
https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2019/10/18/trump-giuliani-ukraine-lawyer-new-york-history-friendship-229857?__twitter_impression=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the committee that received the illegal donations is America First Action, chaired by Linda McMahon, the former head of the Small Business Administration.

America First Action is riddled with campaign finance violations. An illegal $500,000 contribution from the federal contractor called “Committee 1” in the Parnas/Fruman indictment is just the beginning - there are also millions from Canadian companies and illegal coordination with the Trump campaign.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-pro-trump-super-pac-at-the-center-of-the-ukraine-scandal-has-faced-multiple-campaign-finance-complaints

It's only illegal if you get caught.

[Anonymous]

“A March 2014 photograph showing Donald Trump with a recently indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani appears to have been taken at a fashion show hosted by Ivanka Trump at the Trump National Doral in Florida, a CNN KFile review reveals.

CNN's KFile identified that the photo with Trump and Lev Parnas was apparently taken at a fashion show at the Cadillac Championship, an annual professional golf tournament. The fashion show was for the luxury fashion brand Carolina Herrera on March 7 and was also attended by Trump's sons Eric and Donald Jr. and Ivanka's husband Jared Kushner, who is now a senior White House adviser along with his wife. Donald Trump spoke at the event, according to photos and a video posted on YouTube.”

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/10/18/politics/parnas-trump-doral-kfile/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

[Anonymous]

“A federal grand jury investigating activities surrounding Rudy Giuliani’s back-channel campaign in Ukraine has demanded legal documents that include records of extravagant spending at Trump hotels and millions of dollars in financial transfers by Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two key operatives who carried out the plan, according to a source familiar with the demand.

The documents requested by a subpoena that was issued in Florida last week could shed light on whether other people, including foreign nationals, were trying to influence the top levels of government and impact the 2020 presidential campaign.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/mikesallah/federal-investigators-are-probing-suspicious-financial?__twitter_impression=true