ASFS/Key Swap Off . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing I find hilarious is that the push to make Key all option was made in part by the same forces now arguing that because Key doesn’t have neighborhood preference, the immersion program is too much of a burden on the ASFS/Key boundary and needs to be evicted from the Key building. Just on principle, I understand why the Key community is offended by the framing of the current dilemma as being anything other than an aggressive attempt by a limited group of parents who just can’t stand the immersion program and who want the building for their own. There is no bigger boundary emergency in the ASFS Key zone than anywhere else - boundaries are being redrawn and any imbalance created by rendering Key all option can be alleviated by drawing the boundaries accordingly. And anyone who is advocating for the swap on the grounds that the Key location doesn’t attract enough Spanish speakers is talking out of both sides of their mouths -- the ASFS building is a significantly worse location for the program.

I think you don’t know who pushed for Key, and all option schools, to give up neighborhood preferences. Ask around, and I think you might be surprised.

I was pretty involved in those community conversations surrounding changing the option school policy. The most organized voices pushing to end neighborhood preferences was the Claremont PTA. the neighborhood guarantee was killing Claremont b/c it made it so excessively overcrowded. But I would say there was about 90% support for ending neighborhood preferences- most people saw it as inequitable (because in fact it was.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too.

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming.

Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing I find hilarious is that the push to make Key all option was made in part by the same forces now arguing that because Key doesn’t have neighborhood preference, the immersion program is too much of a burden on the ASFS/Key boundary and needs to be evicted from the Key building. Just on principle, I understand why the Key community is offended by the framing of the current dilemma as being anything other than an aggressive attempt by a limited group of parents who just can’t stand the immersion program and who want the building for their own. There is no bigger boundary emergency in the ASFS Key zone than anywhere else - boundaries are being redrawn and any imbalance created by rendering Key all option can be alleviated by drawing the boundaries accordingly. And anyone who is advocating for the swap on the grounds that the Key location doesn’t attract enough Spanish speakers is talking out of both sides of their mouths -- the ASFS building is a significantly worse location for the program.

I think you don’t know who pushed for Key, and all option schools, to give up neighborhood preferences. Ask around, and I think you might be surprised.

I was pretty involved in those community conversations surrounding changing the option school policy. The most organized voices pushing to end neighborhood preferences was the Claremont PTA. the neighborhood guarantee was killing Claremont b/c it made it so excessively overcrowded. But I would say there was about 90% support for ending neighborhood preferences- most people saw it as inequitable (because in fact it was.)

Yes, but inequitable for whom, and are lotteries inherently more equitable? What were the demographics of the almost 90% of people who supported the lottery? How many applications from FRL eligible families has immersion gotten each year? It sort of sounds like this made it more equitable for families in the Claremont immersion zone who didn’t want to attend their neighborhood school. Did the Claremont neighborhood share it’s former zone with another school? Sorry for so many questions! And honestly not trying to start a fight, looking for good answers to make these schools even better.

[Anonymous]

PP here- I do not know if the photo was staged, some poster said so , so I reiterated the claim. Perhaps I should not have done so bc I don’t personally admit to knowing so

Most of the FRL families in these schools start out as VPI, so they apply early. That is same for immersion and Campbell. Campbell was always at 55-60%VPI and only went down to 49% because another classroom was added.

And, for the immersions schools, I know several families who moved out of walk zones or even the entire zone who were allowed to stay at the school. Both at key and Claremont.

[Anonymous]

A lot of the fuss about preferential admission came from Claremont because no one outside of the preference zones could get into the school. It became a school exclusively for 2-3 schools and not countywide. But, to fix the problem at Claremont, key had to have a similar policy. Which makes sense.

Btw, the affordable housing developers are planning many more cafs around Rosslyn and that area and the number of kids who will likely opt into key will increase in the coming years.

[Anonymous]

My kids do not go to either key or asf, but I find this entire issue unreal. This is purely rich people in north Arlington who want a bigger school for their kids and could care less about anyone else.

If we made Claremont a neighborhood school again, that would have really helped with over crowding at Abingdon. Did Claremont raise a swap stink? No.

Do you have other communities with overcrowded schools trying to take over the buildings of other schools? No. Key doesn’t deserve the asf leftovers of a smaller school. Boundaries need to be redrawn and relocatables added. Enough with the entitlement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too.

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming.

Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.

I’m not sure what you mean by opportunity hoarding. I’m a South Arlington resident that lives in between 2 already-option schools and doesn’t want to see a another take up a third neighborhood school. Makes it harder to economically diversify the schools.

I will call out your subtle-wink-wink comment about why Carlin Springs parents aren’t more vocal. You’re not as clever as you think you are. All you’re doing is perpetuating harmful stereotypes. Do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of the fuss about preferential admission came from Claremont because no one outside of the preference zones could get into the school. It became a school exclusively for 2-3 schools and not countywide. But, to fix the problem at Claremont, key had to have a similar policy. Which makes sense.

Btw, the affordable housing developers are planning many more cafs around Rosslyn and that area and the number of kids who will likely opt into key will increase in the coming years.

Well that is wonderful. The kids in those CAF’s will really benefit from a well integrated neighborhood school at the former Key site. It will have a strong PTA and great resources. So great to hear that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too.

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming.

Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.

I’m not sure what you mean by opportunity hoarding. I’m a South Arlington resident that lives in between 2 already-option schools and doesn’t want to see a another take up a third neighborhood school. Makes it harder to economically diversify the schools.

I will call out your subtle-wink-wink comment about why Carlin Springs parents aren’t more vocal. You’re not as clever as you think you are. All you’re doing is perpetuating harmful stereotypes. Do better.

My comment wasn’t subtle.
Choice schools are the best tool for integrating schools. No wonder south Arlington struggles, the middle class below 50 is just not as savy. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too.

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming.

Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.

I’m not sure what you mean by opportunity hoarding. I’m a South Arlington resident that lives in between 2 already-option schools and doesn’t want to see a another take up a third neighborhood school. Makes it harder to economically diversify the schools.

I will call out your subtle-wink-wink comment about why Carlin Springs parents aren’t more vocal. You’re not as clever as you think you are. All you’re doing is perpetuating harmful stereotypes. Do better.

My comment wasn’t subtle.
Choice schools are the best tool for integrating schools. No wonder south Arlington struggles, the middle class below 50 is just not as savy. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him smart.

So that all of us ignorant South Arlington parents might celebrate your savviness I think you should publicly advocate for more option schools here. But don’t forget to add in your comment about Carlin Springs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too.

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming.

Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.

I’m not sure what you mean by opportunity hoarding. I’m a South Arlington resident that lives in between 2 already-option schools and doesn’t want to see a another take up a third neighborhood school. Makes it harder to economically diversify the schools.

I will call out your subtle-wink-wink comment about why Carlin Springs parents aren’t more vocal. You’re not as clever as you think you are. All you’re doing is perpetuating harmful stereotypes. Do better.

My comment wasn’t subtle.
Choice schools are the best tool for integrating schools. No wonder south Arlington struggles, the middle class below 50 is just not as savy. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him smart.

So that all of us ignorant South Arlington parents might celebrate your savviness I think you should publicly advocate for more option schools here. But don’t forget to add in your comment about Carlin Springs!

Nope. I’ve decided I can’t care more about your kids than you do, but good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too.

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming.

Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.

I’m not sure what you mean by opportunity hoarding. I’m a South Arlington resident that lives in between 2 already-option schools and doesn’t want to see a another take up a third neighborhood school. Makes it harder to economically diversify the schools.

I will call out your subtle-wink-wink comment about why Carlin Springs parents aren’t more vocal. You’re not as clever as you think you are. All you’re doing is perpetuating harmful stereotypes. Do better.

DP, but nope, economic segregation propped up by housing policy has baked this cake. There are no boundaries, and certainly not sensible/walkable ones (and that’s all they will ever do) that can ever really change the make-up of the most segregated schools, because there simply aren’t enough SFHs to balance the CAFs in Arlington Mill or the MARKs in Douglas Park. And when I say balance, I mean at least a 50/50 balance. Show me on a map how you do that. But I don’t think you can. If it were that easy it would already be done. Also, you can’t cross 50. It’s forbidden.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Doesn’t sound like the community Carlin Springs serves is clamoring for an Immersion school. Stop offering it up like a sacrificial lamb to make things more convenient for the UMC. Claremont is already taking up a school in S Arlington 2 miles away. Campbell is right there too. [/quote]

Yeah. They’re a pretty quiet bunch. They don’t want too much attention. Wonder why that is? Wonder what could keep that particular community under the radar....[/quote]

Don’t be an ass. It’s unbecoming. [/quote]
Back at ya.
Don’t use underserved communities to help you achieve your goal of opportunity hoarding. Unbecoming indeed.[/quote]

I’m not sure what you mean by opportunity hoarding. I’m a South Arlington resident that lives in between 2 already-option schools and doesn’t want to see a another take up a third neighborhood school. [b]Makes it harder to economically diversify the schools. [/b]

I will call out your subtle-wink-wink comment about why Carlin Springs parents aren’t more vocal. You’re not as clever as you think you are. All you’re doing is perpetuating harmful stereotypes. Do better. [/quote]

DP, but nope, economic segregation propped up by housing policy has baked this cake. There are no boundaries, and certainly not sensible/walkable ones (and that’s all they will ever do) that can ever really change the make-up of the most segregated schools, because there simply aren’t enough SFHs to balance the CAFs in Arlington Mill or the MARKs in Douglas Park. And when I say balance, I mean at least a 50/50 balance. Show me on a map how you do that. But I don’t think you can. If it were that easy it would already be done. Also, you can’t cross 50. It’s forbidden. [/quote]

Bingo. The boundary process last fall included a map showing what boundaries would look like if every school had about 50% FRL (which is the average across SA as a whole.) it would never happen. The truth is that our housing policy driving FRL rates higher. Most SA schools have rates higher than they did 20 years ago, when the county had much more market rate affordable housing. We have fewer units, but more families than before. The student generation rates tell the story. SA simply can't handle anymore. Time for NA to take its share.

[Anonymous]

It’s June. Pathways will come this month?

I heard from a teacher that staff have already decided to return Key to neighborhood status, keep immersion there, and add immersion at another neighborhood school?

And preliminary No Arlington boundaries with Reed built and ASFS within its own zone are already laid out.

Any way to see those new boundaries?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s June. Pathways will come this month?

I heard from a teacher that staff have already decided to return Key to neighborhood status, keep immersion there, and add immersion at another neighborhood school?

And preliminary No Arlington boundaries with Reed built and ASFS within its own zone are already laid out.

Any way to see those new boundaries?

Key will be a neighborhood immersion school? I’m not following.