The Pitt, Season 2

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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.


I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks


Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.
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My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.


I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.


Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.



Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.


Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours


Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.


Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.


+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.


Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!


Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

Who made you forum police?

I doubt most viewers are familiar with the term “ eidetic memory.”


No, but doctors would know it. I guess this is the challenge for the show's writers, although they use medical terminology viewers wouldn't understand all the time.


Nurses wouldn't necessarily know it, nor would admins or other hospital personnel. It was said in a crisis situation where the person speaking wanted to convey that she could help with a critical problem. She wasn't bragging about her special skill, and was actually sharing the info reluctantly.

I know it's hard for DCUM know-it-alls to understand this, but there are actually people in the world who choose to speak in a way to be understood, not to impress people with their vocabulary.

Bunch of Ogilvies in this thread.


Why do you have to insult others to make your point?
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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.


I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks


Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.
.

My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.


I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.


Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.



Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.


Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours


Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.


Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.


+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.


Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!


Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

Who made you forum police?


+1 I’ve noticed this. The minute you bring up a potential flaw in a storyline someone is quick to shoot you down. We are all supposed to raise up and worship The Pitt and agree they do it right all the time no matter what.
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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.


I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks


Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.
.

My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.


I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.


Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.



Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.


Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours


Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.


Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.


+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.


Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!


Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

Who made you forum police?

I doubt most viewers are familiar with the term “ eidetic memory.”


No, but doctors would know it. I guess this is the challenge for the show's writers, although they use medical terminology viewers wouldn't understand all the time.


Nurses wouldn't necessarily know it, nor would admins or other hospital personnel. It was said in a crisis situation where the person speaking wanted to convey that she could help with a critical problem. She wasn't bragging about her special skill, and was actually sharing the info reluctantly.

I know it's hard for DCUM know-it-alls to understand this, but there are actually people in the world who choose to speak in a way to be understood, not to impress people with their vocabulary.

Bunch of Ogilvies in this thread.


Why do you have to insult others to make your point?


PP has a personality disorder.
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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.


I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks


Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.
.

My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.


I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.


Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.



Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.


Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours


Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.


Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.


+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.


Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!


Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

Who made you forum police?

I doubt most viewers are familiar with the term “ eidetic memory.”


No, but doctors would know it. I guess this is the challenge for the show's writers, although they use medical terminology viewers wouldn't understand all the time.


Nurses wouldn't necessarily know it, nor would admins or other hospital personnel. It was said in a crisis situation where the person speaking wanted to convey that she could help with a critical problem. She wasn't bragging about her special skill, and was actually sharing the info reluctantly.

I know it's hard for DCUM know-it-alls to understand this, but there are actually people in the world who choose to speak in a way to be understood, not to impress people with their vocabulary.

Bunch of Ogilvies in this thread.


Why do you have to insult others to make your point?


Because people in this thread are being incredibly pedantic about the show and nit picking stuff that isn't even incorrect. It's frustrating when you like something (like this actually very good show) and people incessantly want to point out everything that's wrong with it, even when it's not wrong.

It's hard to make art, and this show puts way more effort into making something realistic, honest, and compelling than like 99% of television shows. Only to have people half-watch the show while scrolling their phones and then complain that they are mad the show used the term "photographic" instead of "eidetic", somehow insulting their intelligence, because even though they've never written or acted or directed anything worth watching, they do take pride in knowing $20 words that the average person does not know.

It's like being served a really good sauvignon blanc that wine experts spent years making only to have someone insist on pissing in it because they are certain their piss will taste better than a perfectly good wine.
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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.


I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks


Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.
.

My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.


I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.


Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.



Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.


Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours


Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.


Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.


+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.


Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!


Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

Who made you forum police?


+1 I’ve noticed this. The minute you bring up a potential flaw in a storyline someone is quick to shoot you down. We are all supposed to raise up and worship The Pitt and agree they do it right all the time no matter what.


This thread is nothing but people pointing out "flaws" in the storyline, and then when some of us say "actually that's not a flaw, it's internally consistent" or "eh it's a weird plot point but doesn't bother me", we get argued to death and are never allowed to actually discuss the characters or the plot lines in an enjoyable way.
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Anonymous wrote:So, I'm still stuck on a few things here after last night...

1) Mel's anxiety about the deposition is understandable. But, again, who is having a deposition on the Fourth of July? In what world?

2) It's pretty clear that Abbot is going to be balls deep in al-Hashimi soon. Holy cow. Assuming Mohan doesn't throw herself at him first. The way she treated that bullet graze ... oh boy.

3) I was really worried with the rape SANE scene there that they were going to depict this as some kind of regretted sex incident. On the one hand, it was fascinating to see how they process victims of SA, OTOH some of the compassion came across as a little condescending. And then when she refused the genital swab... Also, we're seven hours in to the episode, which makes it about 2 p.m. I'm trying to understand how she got sexually assaulted at a 4th of a July BBQ by a drunk friend in the middle of the day?

4) Cyberattack? Really? Come on, now.

5) To that end, what was with the goofy CEO summoning al-Hashimi but not Robby? Robby looked Big Mad.

6) Where the hell was Whitacker/Huckleberry last night? And what's with this "he spends all his time at this widow's farm" storyline? Are we to believe he's balls deep in the widow and raising a dead man's child?

At least not motorcycles sans helmet talk in this episode. They were starting to lay the foreshadowing on thick earlier.


I still love this show but I agree that the reality of the timing of the incidents is weird, case in point the depo on July Fourth or the kid studying in the college library in July?

I also feel like the scenes jump around much more this season so we are getting less of each player - like Whittacker last night and McKay has hardly been in this season at all.

studying for the bar exam on July 4th totally tracks


Maybe at home, but not in the library at 7am.
.

My kid doesn’t study at home. He’s always in library, lab, some other building on campus to study. And yes at 7am in summer.


I don't think the library would be open at 7am on July 4.


Some campuses have 24/7 libraries (my school had one).

And studying at 7am may be on purpose to show something is off with his mental state.



Even the Harvard Law library doesn't open until 8 a.m. and is closed all day on the Fourth of July.

But we're talking about Pitt. It's open 24/7.


Incorrect. Pitt’s law library, the Barco, also opens at 8 a.m. and is closed on July 4th. https://www.library.law.pitt.edu/about/library-service-desk-hours


Who cares? It is an insignificant detail to a fictional show to introduce a story line.


Because one of the things that made season 1 good was its attention to details and being accurate. The second season didn't need to take place specifically on July 4, but once the writers made that decision, they should have followed through on the details.


+1. Did you notice the rape survivor says she was preparing the bbq - then the rape - but it’s only 12 p.m. in the ER. She should have been out later in the “day”.


Maybe she went to a bbq on July 3rd evening? WHO CARES! Just watch the show!


Well, obviously a lot of people do, based upon the remarks here. Why can’t people talk about flaws in the story line? Tonight’s was using the term “photographic memory”. That term has been out of use for at least two decades. It’s now called “eidetic memory” and there are many types.

Who made you forum police?

I doubt most viewers are familiar with the term “ eidetic memory.”


No, but doctors would know it. I guess this is the challenge for the show's writers, although they use medical terminology viewers wouldn't understand all the time.


Nurses wouldn't necessarily know it, nor would admins or other hospital personnel. It was said in a crisis situation where the person speaking wanted to convey that she could help with a critical problem. She wasn't bragging about her special skill, and was actually sharing the info reluctantly.

I know it's hard for DCUM know-it-alls to understand this, but there are actually people in the world who choose to speak in a way to be understood, not to impress people with their vocabulary.

Bunch of Ogilvies in this thread.


Why do you have to insult others to make your point?


Because people in this thread are being incredibly pedantic about the show and nit picking stuff that isn't even incorrect. It's frustrating when you like something (like this actually very good show) and people incessantly want to point out everything that's wrong with it, even when it's not wrong.

It's hard to make art, and this show puts way more effort into making something realistic, honest, and compelling than like 99% of television shows. Only to have people half-watch the show while scrolling their phones and then complain that they are mad the show used the term "photographic" instead of "eidetic", somehow insulting their intelligence, because even though they've never written or acted or directed anything worth watching, they do take pride in knowing $20 words that the average person does not know.

It's like being served a really good sauvignon blanc that wine experts spent years making only to have someone insist on pissing in it because they are certain their piss will taste better than a perfectly good wine.


I think your taking this way too seriously.
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You guys should watch the YouTube commentary from a real doctor (OB/GYN) discussing the Pitt and how realistic it is. There are definitely things that aren’t correct. It was eye opening.
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One thing I really like about this show is how easy it is to miss little things. Really forces you to focus, possibly rewatch, and catch all the nuances. So what if they occasionally fudge some of the details of a procedure or use a more common term than a clinical one, the show treats us like intelligent viewers, capable of following along rather than people who need every scene narrated by Basil Exposition.
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Why do they have to make it so graphic? They’ll even show genitalia
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Anonymous wrote:You guys should watch the YouTube commentary from a real doctor (OB/GYN) discussing the Pitt and how realistic it is. There are definitely things that aren’t correct. It was eye opening.


I mean if you are watching it thinking it's a documentary about a real ED, you are missing the point of the show.

It's realISM. It's not reality. Of course they are going to alter some things to fit their narrative arcs, or because they want to show a specific side of a character, or because of the "single shift" conceit which forces them to pack a bunch of things into a single day that in reality would not all happen on the same day.

Like is it realistic that Langdon would be returning to work post-rehab before meeting with, at a minimum, the senior members of the ED staff to discuss his re-entry and the parameters of the program he's in? No, in reality he would have had a sit down meeting with Robby, Dr. Al-Hashidi, likely Dana, and probably a hospital administrator, prior to his first shift. If he had 12-step amends to make with Robby and Dana, he would have made them at that meeting or outside the hospital. He would not be meeting Dr. Al-Hashidi on the job, between patients.

But by making an unrealistic choice (having Langdon returning to work on Robby's last day before sabbatical and on Dr. Al-Hashimi's first day at the Pitt), the show creates some interesting character and plot opportunities to allow them to tell Langdon's story in a way that might get at the truth *underneath* better than a protracted show that portrayed that administrative meeting happening before this shift. Because The Pitt is engaged in storytelling, not documenting. They are more interested in the emotional and relationship implications of Langdon's story, and getting that right, than in portraying exactly what it looks like for a doctor with substance abuse issues to return to work after rehab.

The point is to let us see Patrick Ball and Noah Wyle in an elevator, looking at each other (or avoiding looking at each other) and feel the weight of their history and the needs and motivations of their characters, right before the elevator doors burst open onto a helipad with a critical patient coming in who will require their focus and expertise. You can't create that moment if you are 100% honest about how these situation play out IRL. But the moment is powerful in a way that a more accurate version is not. You give a little to get a lot.
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I like ER more even though I didn’t like how it was like a soap opera more about drama than medicine
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Anonymous wrote:I thought the story in this most recent episode about Dana serving as a SANE to the rape survivor was riveting. I'm a rape survivor and worked for a time on a crisis hotline for sexual violence. The actress who played Ilana was phenomenal and the writing of that storyline was obviously very well researched. I'm not sure I've ever seen that situation portrayed as accurately and honestly as that.

I also love how that story was paired with the scenes in the last episode where Dana cleaned Louie's body. In both situations, she brought the new nurse, Emma, along and narrated what she was doing, and why. These are activities nurses do but few people talk about. People think about nurses taking your BP, administering meds, assisting doctors. But this -- a nurse wiping the blood and fluids off a man who just died and is unlikely to be claimed by loved ones, walking a rape victim through evidence gathering -- people don't think about this. And this is set against the backdrop of Dana being assaulted last season and saying she was done, and then returning to work. You're thinking about why she came back, and also why she wanted to quit. And you're looking at Emma who is on the far other end of a nursing career and thinking about what is ahead of her too.

Also Emma saying "let's go find the good snacks" to Ilana.

If this is "slow" or "disjointed" or "not enough happening" for you, you are entitled to your opinion. But I think that's very compelling storytelling, about people and events that don't ever get told with this much factual accuracy or tenderness.


Did you find the way they were talking to her to be condescending? I realize it was supposed to be super compassionate but I just wondered.


I thought it sounded like the script that SANEs are trained to follow, said with real compassion by someone who definitely wants to help. I also thought that Ilana's reaction, of being annoyed, impatient, and frustrated by the situation, was completely spot on to how many rape survivors behave when engaging with any institution to report their rape. One of the hardest aspects of being a rape survivor, and helping rape survivors, is that nothing about the process is really designed to give people what they actually need, which is true agency. Dana was administering the rape kit professionally and correctly, AND she was clearly sensitive to Ilana's state of mind (it was obviously not Dana's first rape kit). However, the clinical nature of a rape exam is horrible. And really think about this. Think about what it is like to be raped and violated in that way, and then to place yourself in a hospital gown in a sterile hospital exam room with multiple strangers who will examine your body, take photos, and collect evidence. They will take your clothes away.

The moment where Dana is doing the blue light test and then takes a swab of Ilana's arm? Dana does it right, by explaining exactly what she is doing and why. But Ilana is still in a state of physical and mental shock. She is not processing, or she's processing through trauma. When Dana uses the cold swab, Ilana in theory knows it's coming, but her whole body is on high alert. SANE exams are incredibly stressful, even when the nurse is amazing, even when there is an advocate there.

Our society doesn't know how to deal with what rape does to people. And I have worked in rape crisis and I am a rape survivor myself, and I don't know the answers either. The SANE exam is designed to try and facilitate a criminal justice solution. It still places survivors in situations that can be traumatizing and degrading. Plus that rape kit? It gets sent off to a lab where it may be delayed in processing or processed incorrectly. Ilana's friends may side with her rapist (who is also their friend) against her. If Ilana chooses to press charges, she may face not only her rapist but her friends sharing information about her (her drinking habits, her sexual history, her relationship with the rapist) that will be mortifying to have disclosed to the police, much less discussed in court. And in the end, there may be no conviction, or a plead out to lesser charge due to lack of evidence. And in the process, she will lose friends and change the way everyone in her life sees her.

Obviously the show isn't getting into all of that, but I honestly can feel this in how they are treating the storyline. I think Dana knows and understands all this, even as she also hopes Ilana decides to finish the exam and press charges.

People rarely understand what rape really does to you. It's not talked about enough and when rape is portrayed on television and in movies, it is sensationalized and the emphasis is on the act itself. The aftermath of rape, sometimes for the rest of your life, is so much bigger than the act in the moment. The Pitt seems to get this, they must have consulted with survivor who has worked in rape intervention or recovery. This is what it is like.


I said to my husband while we were watching this: "It would be a whole lot more impressive if all this evidence weren't going on a shelf somewhere, never to be touched again."

And they showed that tonight with the older kit that was way overdue for pickup. Loved Dana’s call to the police about that!


Is it ok if the samples weren't tested until very late? Or does that impact the results?


It matters because the results can be contested in court if proper protocol was not followed.
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I could not look at the tongue laceration with all the blood. Including the repair. I had to cover the screen.
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Anonymous wrote:I like ER more even though I didn’t like how it was like a soap opera more about drama than medicine


Yes, same.
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