I’m 47 and Alanis, Tori and Sinead were my musical rage women. I agree that women need to be in touch with their anger, but they also need to learn to speak it, and act on it (not with aggression, but as a sign that their rights/beliefs are being violated in some way). I don’t think Taylor does the second part well. She can point out her rage and then sit on stage in front of her fans giving a glitter sparkle performance in a mask. The singers of our generation were better about being honest about their feelings on and off the stage. |
Sure, maybe not. Taylor is definitely not Alanis. But she is who she is and fans seem to be responding and rather than pick it apart and try to force her to be what she’s not it’s so curious why people can’t let it be. I just don’t remember people picking apart alanis Morissette or any of the other artists you just named. They were who they were and their genre is their genre and yet we want Taylor to be everything to everybody when she’s not, we get really up in arms about it. It’s very strange. Taylor is angry but not angry enough. She writes great pop songs but they don’t appeal to everyone like middle aged men so she’s failed because great pops songs should be universal I guess. She writes about heartbreak but she writes TOO MUCH about heartbreak. Just from the last dozen posts alone I gather this. |
Okay, you can reply to the Post Critic if you want to! Some journalists/magazines didn’t put bylines because they received death threats after posting negative reviews with her last album. She can’t write about climate change, without looking hypocritical. If she sings about heartbreak until she is 65, no one can stop her. But her fans and team have allow people to dislike it. |
Exactly she is blah with glitter sparkles for the tweens. Alanis and the others also didn’t have social media to encourage fans to follow their every finger flick, so I guess blah is what works for the internet age. |
Different poster, I think her fans do allow people to dislike it. What is so strange about Taylor is the criticism of both her and her fans. There are tons of musicians, artist, celebrities, that people don’t like but they don’t constantly criticize and insult their fans. There are some people who it seems to really bother that she has this fan base and I don’t understand it. They write all these threads about how fans are being manipulated and now it’s all just a show or an act. And its’s enough to just say that or express that, they seem to want to beg them to agree. And that’s when people just start doubling down. |
The Matty Healy stuff started in 2014. He wasn't a random 6 week fling. |
I guess you didn't read the prologue. She tells the fans what the album is about. |
It seems like every artist around that age has come out and said they are so thankful they were before the Internet boom and social media. It is definitely a different world now while maybe harder for artists to breakthrough, also easier for the ones that did to navigate. |
+1. It is very weird. Another Gen Xer here who accepts Tori and Alanis and Sinead and Adele for who they are and appreciate their art for what it is, no more no less. Same with Taylor. But both fans and critics alike seem to feel such ownership over her, I guess because she just puts it all out there. |
You can’t compare her level of fame with those artists, it’s entirely different. Then factor in that women Taylor’s age grew up with her, went through every stage she went through and wrote about at the same time , and how have daughters who love her. There is a completely different level of attachment with her because of that that almost no other artist can claim. |
Regarding the bolded: Taylor gets more criticism because she's vastly more popular and successful. Also works in a genre-- pop -- without a lot of pretentions, but chooses to layer them in anyway. All those other artists were more niche and always had smaller audiences. Plus their music had pretentions from the start, it's what they are known for. It's inevitable that someone as big as Taylor is going to get more criticism. And the fact that she chooses to focus on lyrics, and their meaning, over the stuff most pop musicians focus on (hooks, broad relateability) will draw more criticism because she's reaching beyond the usual confines of pop music. I mean, she embracing the idea of herself as a poet. That's very pretentious! You can get away with that a bit more in indie or alternative rock, but that's not Taylor's milieu,by choice. She is working in a genre known for churning out hits and getting played in huge arenas. She knows people are going to criticize. There is a parallel universe where Taylor has a career more akin to Phoebe Bridges or Lucy Dacus, or Lana Del Ray, and she gets less criticism but also is a nowhere near as financially successful or well known. That's how it works. The bigger you are, the more people pick you apart. If you don't like it, step off the arena stage. There are lots of artists chomping at the bit to replace her. |
Interesting Tori wrote about boys and breakups u til she was 33. All three other women you talk about or raped , to them on multiple occasions, one consistently as a child. Yeah you’re gonna get a little more rage like that. Sinead was not a popstar. She was a punk rocker who accidentally made one pop song that ruined our life and eventually lead to her demise. oh and by the way, Alanis Morissette and Tori is love Taylor, Swift, and Alanis Morissette has performed with her |
You really need to watch the Sinead O’Connor documentary because.. The fact that you said you don’t remember people picking our part clearly you don’t know who she is. |
So Taylor's fan base is women who had kids super young and their tween/teen daughters? Because that timeline is a bit accelerated given the average age of childbirth for women. Most women don't have teens at age 34-- they have early elementary kids, or younger. |
I would be very concerned about this. This sounds like she was in a phase where she just had to keep writing until she gets everything out. I’ve wondered if she is bipolar. |