GS-14 applying for SES job at another agency - worth the effort?

[Anonymous]

I am a GS-14 and just saw an ad for an SES position which is exactly in my area of expertise at another agency. The ad doesn't say that it's restricted to those already in SES, but I was wondering if, in practice, anyone who's not in SES (or at least a GS-15) actually has a chance at such a position. The application is extremely lengthy- I'm willing to do it, but just wondering if anyone's ever heard of someone making this kind of jump.

[Anonymous]

I think you have to be a GS-15, or have experience that is comporable to GS-15, to even be eligible.

[Anonymous]

Why not just try and see what happens.

[Anonymous]

If you need to come on DCUM to ask for advice and don't want to even apply because of time, consideration,etc.

You are definitely NOT ready to be a SES.

[Anonymous]

I don't think you need to be a 15 to apply a SES position but chance of you getting it is (most likely) very, very, very small. Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you need to come on DCUM to ask for advice and don't want to even apply because of time, consideration,etc.

You are definitely NOT ready to be a SES.

apparently you're not ready to be an SES either.

[Anonymous]

I am not trying to be a SES.

How about you get an opportunity as a GS-15 first pal?
Maybe once you get experiences working with SES'ers and actually contribute to the mission, then apply for a SES?

You amateur.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you need to come on DCUM to ask for advice and don't want to even apply because of time, consideration,etc.

You are definitely NOT ready to be a SES.

apparently you're not ready to be an SES either.

[Anonymous]

There are very specific SES evaluation criteria. Good luck whatever you do: getting an SES or nonladder 15 are extremely difficult. Everyone wants one.

[Anonymous]

OP, the SES is about management -- in theory, SESs should be managers able to move to any agency regardless of subject matter, although in practice they do tend to have some expertise or experience with one agency. If you are a manager (there are lots of GS-14 managers in field offices, for example) you have a shot. If you have no managerial experience then it is going to be difficult even if you were a GS-15.

Some agencies have SES development programs, and that may be a good place for you to start. Go to USAJobs and search for "Candidate Development Program." Many of them require you to have GS-15 "or equivalent" experience, so you'll have to demonstrate that.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Bickering Feds. Hilarious! I need to get my popcorn!?

[Anonymous]

I think this is an interesting question. My agency is currently hiring for an SES position. No where in the job announcement or in the questions asked is a specific requirement that the applicant must have experience at a GS-15. But, I think it is pretty common-place here that SES'ers were at a GS15 prior.

If you feel you meet the qualifications - I'd give it a go. I think even just filling out the application would be a valuable exercise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, the SES is about management -- in theory, SESs should be managers able to move to any agency regardless of subject matter, although in practice they do tend to have some expertise or experience with one agency. If you are a manager (there are lots of GS-14 managers in field offices, for example) you have a shot. If you have no managerial experience then it is going to be difficult even if you were a GS-15.

Some agencies have SES development programs, and that may be a good place for you to start. Go to USAJobs and search for "Candidate Development Program." Many of them require you to have GS-15 "or equivalent" experience, so you'll have to demonstrate that.

Good luck!

I am at a research agency. If you want an SES position where I work, you have to have gone through the SES development program or be a top scholar from outside of government with some management experience.