Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

No. I think any conversation about Taylor Swift needs a reality check that she is THE MAN she yearned to be (a crappy billionaire). In the case of her boyfriend it is more interesting because it shows how conservative she is in her romantic relationships even though she should be running the show and in the drivers seat of the relationship.

Dating Kelce outs you as romantically conservative? 😵‍💫
What will they come up with next?

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

What does longevity have to do with if something is fake? There are gay men in fake bearding relationships for years. There’s no time limit.

Throughout this thread there have been numerous "I predict they're done at xyz time." And they're wrong. Every time. Is the point.

I can't fathom putting so much energy into believing a relationship is fake. I mean, hell, it may be and my life won't change at all. Isn't it more fun to believe that people found love rather than finding every reason under the sun for a relationship to be fake?

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She has a much longer shelf life than he does. In 10yrs her music will still be on the radio. He will be “that guy from the Chiefs. Remember. You know who I’m talking about”

I don’t think he’s retiring this year. Once he does it will be interesting to see if the relationship can withstand life’s transitions.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

No. I think any conversation about Taylor Swift needs a reality check that she is THE MAN she yearned to be (a crappy billionaire). In the case of her boyfriend it is more interesting because it shows how conservative she is in her romantic relationships even though she should be running the show and in the drivers seat of the relationship.

Dating Kelce outs you as romantically conservative? 😵‍💫
What will they come up with next?

It's ludicrous. She's on record way back when saying that she always knew she'd be in a long distance relationship because she's always going to be on the go. This is always what she knew was going to happen - her flying to be something and them flying to be with her.

P.S. What exactly is a crappy billionaire?

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

She did not send an empty jet for him. That proved to be a rumor. He did fly on a private jet to Australia but it wasn’t hers or the one she flew on to Australia.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

What does longevity have to do with if something is fake? There are gay men in fake bearding relationships for years. There’s no time limit.

Throughout this thread there have been numerous "I predict they're done at xyz time." And they're wrong. Every time. Is the point.

I can't fathom putting so much energy into believing a relationship is fake. I mean, hell, it may be and my life won't change at all. Isn't it more fun to believe that people found love rather than finding every reason under the sun for a relationship to be fake?

The vast majority of those comments predicted it it would last at least through the Superbowl. It did. Very few people thought they would have broken up by the end of February.

I don't it's a fake relationship but I think they are shallow people who enjoy the attention and that it's more likely to fail than not. I find the belief that it's "true love" mildly comical given their respective dating history. I think they are both the type to enjoy intense initial love bombing type relationships and then flee as soon as reality sets in.

I also think had or not been for Covid and the fact that Taylor had kind of fled to London to escape criticism over the whole Kim/Kanye/snake thing (which I think she overreacted to), she would have lasted 2 years, tops, with Joe. I also think they were apart and she was seeing Matty Healy for a lot longer than people think.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a much longer shelf life than he does. In 10yrs her music will still be on the radio. He will be “that guy from the Chiefs. Remember. You know who I’m talking about”

I don’t think he’s retiring this year. Once he does it will be interesting to see if the relationship can withstand life’s transitions.

I don't know. Michael Strahan has now been on television significantly longer than he was ever a football player. Akbar Gbajabiamila; Nate Burleson, Emmanuel Acho, etc. They're still here and doing really well. I could see him going a similar route.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

She did not send an empty jet for him. That proved to be a rumor. He did fly on a private jet to Australia but it wasn’t hers or the one she flew on to Australia.

Source? Australian media covered her PJ leaving Sydney in route for Hawaii.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a much longer shelf life than he does. In 10yrs her music will still be on the radio. He will be “that guy from the Chiefs. Remember. You know who I’m talking about”

I don’t think he’s retiring this year. Once he does it will be interesting to see if the relationship can withstand life’s transitions.

I don't know. Michael Strahan has now been on television significantly longer than he was ever a football player. Akbar Gbajabiamila; Nate Burleson, Emmanuel Acho, etc. They're still here and doing really well. I could see him going a similar route.

True. But being a broadcaster doesn’t have the same spotlight that being a star on a winning football team does. Her career will always have her in the spotlight. His will change and he would be reporting on the new younger players.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

What does longevity have to do with if something is fake? There are gay men in fake bearding relationships for years. There’s no time limit.

Throughout this thread there have been numerous "I predict they're done at xyz time." And they're wrong. Every time. Is the point.

I can't fathom putting so much energy into believing a relationship is fake. I mean, hell, it may be and my life won't change at all. Isn't it more fun to believe that people found love rather than finding every reason under the sun for a relationship to be fake?

The vast majority of those comments predicted it it would last at least through the Superbowl. It did. Very few people thought they would have broken up by the end of February.

I don't it's a fake relationship but I think they are shallow people who enjoy the attention and that it's more likely to fail than not. I find the belief that it's "true love" mildly comical given their respective dating history. I think they are both the type to enjoy intense initial love bombing type relationships and then flee as soon as reality sets in.

I also think had or not been for Covid and the fact that Taylor had kind of fled to London to escape criticism over the whole Kim/Kanye/snake thing (which I think she overreacted to), she would have lasted 2 years, tops, with Joe. I also think they were apart and she was seeing Matty Healy for a lot longer than people think.

Meh, could be. I'm watching this unfold just like I like watching Hallmark Channel movies. To escape from my boring life! I don't really invest too much into it other than watching two good looking successful people hang out together and seem to be happy. It's just not that deep. But when criticism is masked as misogyny, I gotta pipe in.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a much longer shelf life than he does. In 10yrs her music will still be on the radio. He will be “that guy from the Chiefs. Remember. You know who I’m talking about”

I don’t think he’s retiring this year. Once he does it will be interesting to see if the relationship can withstand life’s transitions.

I don't know. Michael Strahan has now been on television significantly longer than he was ever a football player. Akbar Gbajabiamila; Nate Burleson, Emmanuel Acho, etc. They're still here and doing really well. I could see him going a similar route.

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DP but I don't. Michael Strahan (yes, Strahan) is articulate and charismatic in a way Kelce is not. Burleson is positively academic compared to Kelce.

I think at best Kelce could be like the male Chrissy Teigan-- game show host, social media influencer, lots of product branding. His relationship with Taylor would actually like this up nicely, if they stay together. He could be the world's first trophy husband with a side hustle.

But I don't think they'll last and I don't think he'll make it.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

What does longevity have to do with if something is fake? There are gay men in fake bearding relationships for years. There’s no time limit.

Throughout this thread there have been numerous "I predict they're done at xyz time." And they're wrong. Every time. Is the point.

I can't fathom putting so much energy into believing a relationship is fake. I mean, hell, it may be and my life won't change at all. Isn't it more fun to believe that people found love rather than finding every reason under the sun for a relationship to be fake?

The vast majority of those comments predicted it it would last at least through the Superbowl. It did. Very few people thought they would have broken up by the end of February.

I don't it's a fake relationship but I think they are shallow people who enjoy the attention and that it's more likely to fail than not. I find the belief that it's "true love" mildly comical given their respective dating history. I think they are both the type to enjoy intense initial love bombing type relationships and then flee as soon as reality sets in.

I also think had or not been for Covid and the fact that Taylor had kind of fled to London to escape criticism over the whole Kim/Kanye/snake thing (which I think she overreacted to), she would have lasted 2 years, tops, with Joe. I also think they were apart and she was seeing Matty Healy for a lot longer than people think.

Meh, could be. I'm watching this unfold just like I like watching Hallmark Channel movies. To escape from my boring life! I don't really invest too much into it other than watching two good looking successful people hang out together and seem to be happy. It's just not that deep. But when criticism is masked as misogyny, I gotta pipe in.

Some of you think ANY criticism of Swift is de facto misogyny. That's not how it works when the subject of the criticism is a billionaire who is in the news every day. It would be like arguing all criticism of Oprah is grounded in racism, or all criticism of Tom Cruise is grounded in hatred for short guys. It does not track.

If Taylor Swift were really as victimized by misogyny as some of you claim, she would not be as successful as she is.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

She did not send an empty jet for him. That proved to be a rumor. He did fly on a private jet to Australia but it wasn’t hers or the one she flew on to Australia.

Source? Australian media covered her PJ leaving Sydney in route for Hawaii.

If you look at the Flightaware.com history for that plane, it flew from Sydney to Honolulu to Seoul Korea.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a much longer shelf life than he does. In 10yrs her music will still be on the radio. He will be “that guy from the Chiefs. Remember. You know who I’m talking about”

I don’t think he’s retiring this year. Once he does it will be interesting to see if the relationship can withstand life’s transitions.

I don't know. Michael Strahan has now been on television significantly longer than he was ever a football player. Akbar Gbajabiamila; Nate Burleson, Emmanuel Acho, etc. They're still here and doing really well. I could see him going a similar route.

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DP but I don't. Michael Strahan (yes, Strahan) is articulate and charismatic in a way Kelce is not. Burleson is positively academic compared to Kelce.

I think at best Kelce could be like the male Chrissy Teigan-- game show host, social media influencer, lots of product branding. His relationship with Taylor would actually like this up nicely, if they stay together. He could be the world's first trophy husband with a side hustle.

But I don't think they'll last and I don't think he'll make it.

I listen to the New Heights podcast and I find Jason much more intelligent than Travis. Usually it’s Jason setting up the commentary and then Travis just adds his 2 cents but it’s not very insightful.

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Anonymous wrote:This gets said on every Taylor thread about the plane but come on. None of us want Taylor flying commercial. Any airport she goes near would be filled with fans - even the more obsessed ones buying tickets to wait with her at the gate. Can you imagine paparazzi interest in her bag items at the security line?

Any of us would be livid with the traffic and congestion and so on.

This came up because she sent a PJ for Kelce to take from Hawaii to Sydney. He could easily fly commercial, first class.

I don't actually care if Taylor uses a private jet for security reasons, and her actual job does require some flexibility in travel at times (enables her to play shows all around the world on a relatively tight schedule) so okay. But that doesn't mean I think there should be no accountability there. Private jet use does affect all of us because of the fossil fuels involved, and I think using one to pick up your boyfriend is pretty gross. Sorry.

Are all these people piling onto the billionaire men and their jets and space rockets and everything? Bezos, Gates, Musk and his 20 kids and exes, British Royal Family, all the insanely rich people I don't know by name...

Yes, if you ever read any media that wasn't related to Taylor Swift you would realize that many people criticize billionaires for their private jet usage. To the point that Musk sued the same guy Taylor is now threatening to sue over him publishing info about his private jet's flights. Honestly, Taylor has only just recently gotten pulled into the issue because she recently bought a really large and fancy private jet and she also recently reached billionaire status. Before her, it was mostly rich white guys being criticized, though I've also seen criticism of other celebrities like Tom Cruise and Oprah.

Often the criticism focuses on on the fact that these people have private jets, as many of us understand that as very public people, there are security risks associated with them flying commercial. But if you are wealthy enough to have a private jet, you are also often wealthy enough to do things like fly your jet to St. Louis for good barbecue, or fly it to London to pick up a painting you purchased at auction, without you being on it. Or fly it to Hawaii to give your NFL boyfriend a lift. And those kinds of activities have started attracting increasingly negative attention in recent years because of the implications for the climate. Most people's fossil fuel usage does not, on its own, impact climate change in any real sense, whether for good or bad. But people this wealthy can use such an enormous amount of fossil fuels via private jets that it's the rare situation where individual action could actually be more than a drop in the bucket. Thus the criticism and the pressure for these people to consider the environmental impacts of how they use their jets.

This is not a Taylor thing. At all. It's a rich people with private jet thing. And any one of them could avoid it by using chartered jets, if they wanted both more privacy and less criticism. But using chartered jets would be less convenient or glamorous, and also have less financial upside. It would also make it a lot harder for them to use their jets in truly frivolous ways.

So maybe we can retire the conversation in a gossip thread about Taylor Swift and her boyfriend. Who, despite everyone's claims are fake, keep ticking off the months one by one and they're still together.

What does longevity have to do with if something is fake? There are gay men in fake bearding relationships for years. There’s no time limit.

Throughout this thread there have been numerous "I predict they're done at xyz time." And they're wrong. Every time. Is the point.

I can't fathom putting so much energy into believing a relationship is fake. I mean, hell, it may be and my life won't change at all. Isn't it more fun to believe that people found love rather than finding every reason under the sun for a relationship to be fake?

The vast majority of those comments predicted it it would last at least through the Superbowl. It did. Very few people thought they would have broken up by the end of February.

I don't it's a fake relationship but I think they are shallow people who enjoy the attention and that it's more likely to fail than not. I find the belief that it's "true love" mildly comical given their respective dating history. I think they are both the type to enjoy intense initial love bombing type relationships and then flee as soon as reality sets in.

I also think had or not been for Covid and the fact that Taylor had kind of fled to London to escape criticism over the whole Kim/Kanye/snake thing (which I think she overreacted to), she would have lasted 2 years, tops, with Joe. I also think they were apart and she was seeing Matty Healy for a lot longer than people think.

Meh, could be. I'm watching this unfold just like I like watching Hallmark Channel movies. To escape from my boring life! I don't really invest too much into it other than watching two good looking successful people hang out together and seem to be happy. It's just not that deep. But when criticism is masked as misogyny, I gotta pipe in.

Some of you think ANY criticism of Swift is de facto misogyny. That's not how it works when the subject of the criticism is a billionaire who is in the news every day. It would be like arguing all criticism of Oprah is grounded in racism, or all criticism of Tom Cruise is grounded in hatred for short guys. It does not track.

If Taylor Swift were really as victimized by misogyny as some of you claim, she would not be as successful as she is.

It's not so much whether she's the "victim" of misogyny. It's that some of you are misogynistic. And I'll point it out. Sorry not sorry. But while we're on the subject, someone's bank account doesn't dictate whether they are the subject of someone's misogynistic statements. Someone can be a billionaire twice over and still be the object of misogyny. That is actually how it works.