Hilaria Baldwin - At it again

[Anonymous]

OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

If my sister was going around telling everyone that she was of Slovenian descent and faking a silly accent and doing, I don't know, TikToks of Slovenian dancing, I'd think she was being an idiot, but that's about it. If she was lying e.g. on a job application to the Slovenia consulate about her "background" to try to fluff her resume, then that would be something else entirely. That's a con. The first is just silly. That's why I'm trying to figure out if Hilaria actually "got" something out of this. If not, then god help me I'm about to "defend" this ninny, and agree the public drubbing has been over-the-top.

Well, if her motive was fame, she certainly got it before this blew up. She was on tv, magazine covers, lots of best dressed lists, rubbinig elbows with the rich and famous, etc.

Well OK, but from the little I knew of her prior to NotFromSpain-gate, the Spanish thing was sort of a side note a most. (I had no idea and, believe you me, I am not declaring myself above the "Entertainment and Pop Culture" forum either ). Mostly her thing was: (1) Alec Baldwin's wife, (2) yoga, (3) constantly popping out kids, and (4) lots of social media pics of her half-naked pre- and (perhaps her true crime?) post-pregnancy.

So still not getting the con (and that assuming fake persona --> fame is even a "con". It's all incredibly silly, yes, but warranting more amusement than outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She really never said she was born in Spain, came from Spain, nothing. Many of you are picking out pieces of text and attributing it to her. Source your material.

Secondly, it appears that those who are most aggressive about it seem to have limited reasons as to why they are angry. Nothing has happened other than a social media storm based upon nothing.

Social media can be a very very dangerous tool for some. Look at what happened in our government in these last 4 years. Just because someone writes something, it doesn't make it remotely true. This woman literally has not told one lie.

If I were the Baldwins, I would use social media to make it a giant exaggerated joke complete with impersonations of what real cultural appropriations look like. What Hikaria has actually done is not an example.

So many really impressionable and suggestable people is very concerning.

Fine example of deflection, right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She really never said she was born in Spain, came from Spain, nothing. Many of you are picking out pieces of text and attributing it to her. Source your material.

Secondly, it appears that those who are most aggressive about it seem to have limited reasons as to why they are angry. Nothing has happened other than a social media storm based upon nothing.

Social media can be a very very dangerous tool for some. Look at what happened in our government in these last 4 years. Just because someone writes something, it doesn't make it remotely true. This woman literally has not told one lie.

If I were the Baldwins, I would use social media to make it a giant exaggerated joke complete with impersonations of what real cultural appropriations look like. What Hikaria has actually done is not an example.

So many really impressionable and suggestable people is very concerning.

Alec said she was Spanish .... so there's that. Idiot.

He was imitating his Spanish wife’s accent on Letterman.

Yup.

Plus, she literally said her parents could not pronounce "Baldwin". WTH? Who does that? So many examples, and so much video!

Both Alex and Hilary were in deep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

If my sister was going around telling everyone that she was of Slovenian descent and faking a silly accent and doing, I don't know, TikToks of Slovenian dancing, I'd think she was being an idiot, but that's about it. If she was lying e.g. on a job application to the Slovenia consulate about her "background" to try to fluff her resume, then that would be something else entirely. That's a con. The first is just silly. That's why I'm trying to figure out if Hilaria actually "got" something out of this. If not, then god help me I'm about to "defend" this ninny, and agree the public drubbing has been over-the-top.

She got $50-60k a pop endorsements on social media plus a TV gig for 4 years with Mario Lopez because of her "ethnicity."

Yup. Whomever keeps trying to defend her is just digging deeper and deeper and deeper, but they identify with her extremely well, that is for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m curious for those who don’t understand why this story is blowing up ... why do you think the NY Times, CNN, the LA Times, etc etc are reporting on this story?

I wouldn’t say it’s blowing up. It’s more like dish of the day...it’s still fluffy level interest, not hard news.

Psychologists, economists, and cultural analysts are commenting. It's fascinating.

+1

[Anonymous]

In a nutshell, this story is satisfying because we all tend to idolize celebrities and their spouses and families. Well, this just proves what frauds they are. Don’t idolize these idiots. They may be good storytellers or whatever, but they are no role models.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She really never said she was born in Spain, came from Spain, nothing. Many of you are picking out pieces of text and attributing it to her. Source your material.

Secondly, it appears that those who are most aggressive about it seem to have limited reasons as to why they are angry. Nothing has happened other than a social media storm based upon nothing.

Social media can be a very very dangerous tool for some. Look at what happened in our government in these last 4 years. Just because someone writes something, it doesn't make it remotely true. This woman literally has not told one lie.

If I were the Baldwins, I would use social media to make it a giant exaggerated joke complete with impersonations of what real cultural appropriations look like. What Hikaria has actually done is not an example.

So many really impressionable and suggestable people is very concerning.

Fine example of deflection, right there.

Oh honey, even Alec was conned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She really never said she was born in Spain, came from Spain, nothing. Many of you are picking out pieces of text and attributing it to her. Source your material.

Secondly, it appears that those who are most aggressive about it seem to have limited reasons as to why they are angry. Nothing has happened other than a social media storm based upon nothing.

Social media can be a very very dangerous tool for some. Look at what happened in our government in these last 4 years. Just because someone writes something, it doesn't make it remotely true. This woman literally has not told one lie.

If I were the Baldwins, I would use social media to make it a giant exaggerated joke complete with impersonations of what real cultural appropriations look like. What Hikaria has actually done is not an example.

So many really impressionable and suggestable people is very concerning.

Fine example of deflection, right there.

Oh honey, even Alec was conned.

She knows it is too expensive to divorce her, with five kids, especially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a nutshell, this story is satisfying because we all tend to idolize celebrities and their spouses and families. Well, this just proves what frauds they are. Don’t idolize these idiots. They may be good storytellers or whatever, but they are no role models.

That may be true for some but I and my circle never idolize celebrities because they do nothing of value. The fascination with this is how dug-in the Baldwins are to this massive fabrication.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

If my sister was going around telling everyone that she was of Slovenian descent and faking a silly accent and doing, I don't know, TikToks of Slovenian dancing, I'd think she was being an idiot, but that's about it. If she was lying e.g. on a job application to the Slovenia consulate about her "background" to try to fluff her resume, then that would be something else entirely. That's a con. The first is just silly. That's why I'm trying to figure out if Hilaria actually "got" something out of this. If not, then god help me I'm about to "defend" this ninny, and agree the public drubbing has been over-the-top.

Well, if her motive was fame, she certainly got it before this blew up. She was on tv, magazine covers, lots of best dressed lists, rubbinig elbows with the rich and famous, etc.

Well OK, but from the little I knew of her prior to NotFromSpain-gate, the Spanish thing was sort of a side note a most. (I had no idea and, believe you me, I am not declaring myself above the "Entertainment and Pop Culture" forum either ). Mostly her thing was: (1) Alec Baldwin's wife, (2) yoga, (3) constantly popping out kids, and (4) lots of social media pics of her half-naked pre- and (perhaps her true crime?) post-pregnancy.

So still not getting the con (and that assuming fake persona --> fame is even a "con". It's all incredibly silly, yes, but warranting more amusement than outrage.

People aren't "outraged." They're astonished, because it's weird, disturbing, abnormal behavior. Of course some people are offended. Some think it's funny. A great way to avoid it for those sensitive to it is not grift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

NP here. I don’t think this is perfectly normal but like the PP above, I don’t see the grift or the big deal. It’s stupid but she’s pretty much a nobody. Her parents must be mortified. But who cares? Did she actually hurt anyone, steal anything?

A culture and an accent. She stole a culture and an accent. And several Latino childrens’ names. And an entire persona.

Not defending this lady because am quite ambivalent about the whole thing. But..come on..saying she stole her kids names is a bit silly. She liked the names so she gave them to her kids. How is this different from parents giving their daughters names that are traditionally male?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She really never said she was born in Spain, came from Spain, nothing. Many of you are picking out pieces of text and attributing it to her. Source your material.

Secondly, it appears that those who are most aggressive about it seem to have limited reasons as to why they are angry. Nothing has happened other than a social media storm based upon nothing.

Social media can be a very very dangerous tool for some. Look at what happened in our government in these last 4 years. Just because someone writes something, it doesn't make it remotely true. This woman literally has not told one lie.

If I were the Baldwins, I would use social media to make it a giant exaggerated joke complete with impersonations of what real cultural appropriations look like. What Hikaria has actually done is not an example.

So many really impressionable and suggestable people is very concerning.

Alec said she was Spanish .... so there's that. Idiot.

He was imitating his Spanish wife’s accent on Letterman.

Yup.

Plus, she literally said her parents could not pronounce "Baldwin". WTH? Who does that? So many examples, and so much video!

Both Alex and Hilary were in deep.

That anecdote reads differently now, doesn’t it? Like she kept telling her Yankee parents that she was marrying Ah-lec Bahld-ween and they were like who??? And then finally were like “oh, Alec Baldwin. The dude from Married to the Mob. Why didn’t you just say that in the first place?”

[Anonymous]

I followed her IG for years. I knew she had lots of help but was always up at night with the kids and seemed happy exhausted. Thing is, she was asked and gave lots of advice. I’m sure many of thought she had it all figured out. I do feel duped. If you lie about this what else are you lying about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

If my sister was going around telling everyone that she was of Slovenian descent and faking a silly accent and doing, I don't know, TikToks of Slovenian dancing, I'd think she was being an idiot, but that's about it. If she was lying e.g. on a job application to the Slovenia consulate about her "background" to try to fluff her resume, then that would be something else entirely. That's a con. The first is just silly. That's why I'm trying to figure out if Hilaria actually "got" something out of this. If not, then god help me I'm about to "defend" this ninny, and agree the public drubbing has been over-the-top.

Well, if her motive was fame, she certainly got it before this blew up. She was on tv, magazine covers, lots of best dressed lists, rubbinig elbows with the rich and famous, etc.

Well OK, but from the little I knew of her prior to NotFromSpain-gate, the Spanish thing was sort of a side note a most. (I had no idea and, believe you me, I am not declaring myself above the "Entertainment and Pop Culture" forum either ). Mostly her thing was: (1) Alec Baldwin's wife, (2) yoga, (3) constantly popping out kids, and (4) lots of social media pics of her half-naked pre- and (perhaps her true crime?) post-pregnancy.

So still not getting the con (and that assuming fake persona --> fame is even a "con". It's all incredibly silly, yes, but warranting more amusement than outrage.

I may be speaking for only myself, but I am not outraged by this. But very amused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I barely knew anything about this woman before other than some fleeting info on a celebrity news piece...I am familiar with the Baldwin brothers just through the years, and, lately, his SNL impressions of Trump (which I liked!) Anyway, I'm a youngish boomer, about Alec's age) so I'm looking at this maybe from a different perspective. I just do not see a story here and I feel that the original tweet and subsequent investigation created a story where there was none. Intrigued and not currently working, and bored from not doing my usual things, I delved into the pieces and "video evidence."

I don't think this woman, Hilaria, conned anyone. The Spanish culture lives largely in her home, very similarly to a lot of my family and friends who are Jewish. Why isn't this the same thing? We all grew up speaking two or three languages, English, Hebrew, and Yiddish- yet most of us have had never been to Israel until adults or at all. My family has a mild accent, and family members in New York really do, yet do not live in Israel. My family calls me by a different name, and many of my friends, who are not Israeli, and not Eastern European, had full-on Jewish weddings with food and drink and language and dress and custom. They've named their kids Hebrew names. They have Judaica artwork all over their houses. Some have visited Israel, some have not. Some have friends and family who live there, some do not.

Additionally, I know many families who have grandparents and great grandparents from Quebec. They also have French names, call their elders Mame and Pepe, and pepper their speech with various French words, and lot of art and food, despite NEVER HAVING LIVED THERE.
Have you watch any television in the last 20 years? What about Italians? RHONJ? I watched one season. For people who never lived in Italy, they sure spoke a lot of Italian,
discussed Italian food, family culture and mannerisms, and had houses filled with marble flooring and Tuscan kitchens.

I went to college with Greek friends who lived an exact lifestyle depicted in My Big Fat Greek wedding with only having great grandparents, or further down the line- great great grandparents, as the only people ever having lived in Greece.

On the one hand, people claim to want to embrace open borders, globalization, and the proverbial melting pot, but when people do, they are called out for cultural appropriation. Why? Being Spanish isn't a race. It doesn't even have to be an ethnicity. It's a country, and a language, with a culture. Isn't that what we are going for?

Look at their wedding. They both embraced a Spanish theme with both of their families there. If she were trying to convey a lie, (and what is the lie anyway?)would she be able to do that in front of her whole family? The wedding announcement had zero info that is untrue. Nothing was ever misappropriated. This family has embraced a Spanish culture for a lot of reasons pertaining to what she's embraced, or chosen, as a member of her family, looking at her father's resume and academic background, and that's that. Her parents felt comfortable enough to actually move there as young retirees. That didn't happen on a whim. Hilaria's Spanish is on par with native speakers. Their kids have Spanish names. Nothing wrong with it. DNA doesn't inform culture.

Nothing this Hilaria/Hillary has been featured in insinuates any lying, and I've taken a good look at the requisite videos, Hola article, her Mom's clip, everything. It seems that various people took out of context items and crocheted them into something that isn't with a pretty accusatory outcome...and it looks like online bullying, unfortunately, which is something I do know about having taught middle and high school. This is nothing less than that and it's very alarming.

Furthermore, there seems to be years worth of bullying regarding her supposed "gold digging " and motives for marrying. I guess that goes with the territory of marrying a celebrity. I'm pretty sure their days look no different than yours, they just have more money to handle it. Sorry! If I were a gold digger, I doubt I would proceed to have 5 kids with a man 25+ years my senior. She loves him. I also notice that her high school friends speak highly of her, no one is calling her out. They are only clarifying questions. Come on. Find something else to hate- maybe that she looks that good after baby#5. I will never look that good, and it's been 35 years since I had a baby.

In summary, stop this "meshuga" bull$#!++, says this woman who can speak Yiddish fairly well, yet holds 0% DNA in anything allowing me to. I wish this family well. Move on.

“I barely know anything about her” - here is a dissertation on the situation and history.