Charter school funding gap in FY27 budget

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

No need to have facility envy! Your high school age children are welcome at Ballou and Anacostia!

The over-the-top (though 10 year worn) renovations are available to every family here.

Why do people continue saying this? Obviously most people IB for Ballou and Anacostia made an extremely reasonable decision to send their kid elsewhere, because they want their kids to have a better chance of success in life. And quality education is not actually that related to building quality.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

No need to have facility envy! Your high school age children are welcome at Ballou and Anacostia!

The over-the-top (though 10 year worn) renovations are available to every family here.

Why do people continue saying this? Obviously most people IB for Ballou and Anacostia made an extremely reasonable decision to send their kid elsewhere, because they want their kids to have a better chance of success in life. And quality education is not actually that related to building quality.

And yet, this thread has a bunch of charter parents who *made choices* from among the options, based on their family's preferences, who are claiming they are discriminated against because Ballou and Anacostia got overly-large renovations years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

$100 million for Harriet Tubman, a school with 500 students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

Why does every single DCPS school get a $100 million makeover, and not a single charter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

Why does every single DCPS school get a $100 million makeover, and not a single charter?

Because this "every single" thing is over YEARS. It's not like they are all randomly getting an unnecessary renovation this summer. It's what happens to buildings of all types -- they need renovating periodically.

I'm so confused why people want DGS to manage charter facilities. Freedom is the point of charters, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

$100 million for Harriet Tubman, a school with 500 students.

That seems reasonable. Do you know how much renovations even cost?
Charters can get money from their billionaire donors to renovate.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

Why does every single DCPS school get a $100 million makeover, and not a single charter?

Because this "every single" thing is over YEARS. It's not like they are all randomly getting an unnecessary renovation this summer. It's what happens to buildings of all types -- they need renovating periodically.

I'm so confused why people want DGS to manage charter facilities. Freedom is the point of charters, no?

Plus it’s the every school. Renovations are 50-100 million. Some schools aren’t getting a full renovation.

Assuming people choose charters for choice. It would be incredibly unfair to give charters everything DCPS has EXCEPT the ability to make every choice for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

Why does every single DCPS school get a $100 million makeover, and not a single charter?

Because this "every single" thing is over YEARS. It's not like they are all randomly getting an unnecessary renovation this summer. It's what happens to buildings of all types -- they need renovating periodically.

I'm so confused why people want DGS to manage charter facilities. Freedom is the point of charters, no?

Plus it’s the every school. Renovations are 50-100 million. Some schools aren’t getting a full renovation.

Assuming people choose charters for choice. It would be incredibly unfair to give charters everything DCPS has EXCEPT the ability to make every choice for themselves.

This is some Grade A word salad. What now?

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

Why does every single DCPS school get a $100 million makeover, and not a single charter?

Charters do get renovated. They renovate when they decide to renovate. It happens all the time.

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The math here is crazy. Charters should just sue. It can't be legal for a government to try to create a caste system for schools. I know charters sued over funding some time ago and lost. But a decade or more of court packing by Republicans seems like it would probably yield a different result this time around, and especially since the degree to which the city is shortchanging charters has gotten so extreme.

https://dccharters.org/blog/testimony-fy27-boh-pcsb-dcps

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Anonymous wrote:Charter school parents: We want DC to way over-spend on our facilities too (albeit without the big gratuity to developers). Any money that WTU negotiates for their dues-paying teachers is owed to our teachers too. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS has failed us. We *have to* go to charters because DCPS is violent. We can't take any students that have to or want to leave other charters; DCPS needs to take those. Even as we take away half the kids from DCPS, we don't want to have any part is helping solve the messes that DCPS has to deal with -- that is other kids' problem.

Basically, we want the equality for all the good stuff but avoidance for all the difficult parts.

This is so hostile. Please go say this to Ward 7 and ward 8 parents, most of whom send their kids to charters.

You're right. I don't think its many Ward 7 and 8 charter school parents here saying the stuff above. The above only applies to the DCUM charter school crowd. What above has not been said in this thread?

The DCUM crowd has a component of people who are white people living in gentrifying neighborhoods who are highly sensitive to their neighbors who choose to opt into DCI feeders or Latin or BASIS and their entire worldview is shaped by how betrayed they feel by it.

But this is a tiny proportion of the charter world. Do these people even know anyone who sent their kids to DC Prep? And how thankful they are that this option exists, to support their kids who have college aspirations but live in a community where going to the local DCPS means joining the drug trade and gang life? This is not a stereotype, this is from conversations I've had with people in that group.

So it does feel hostile for "Nice white parents" to denigrate charters.

I'm the "hostile" poster. Again, my post only paraphrases comments that have actually been made in this thread.

I don't have any issue with the existence of charters and don't "denigrate" them.

I do have an issue with charter parents who denigrate DCPS -- or at least who, oddly, denigrate DCPS for having responsibility for handling our most challenging social problems.

DCPS leadership sucks. They may have some sort of credentials in education, but we need people at Central who are excellent managers and who are gifted in leading change. Being a role-model for a specific demographic is nice, but it's not enough. We need a new mayor who makes more inspired choices for DCPS leadership.

And I don't begrudge charter parents who find the best solutions for the own kids. They should do that.

BUT to choose a charter and then complain about how good kids in DCPS have it? That's nuts.

The city spends $10,000 more per child in DCPS than it does in charters every single year. Why stop there? Why not $100,000 more? Maybe we should impose a special annual fee on families who go to charters too. Even better, why don't we create a special tax surcharge on them? Maybe every family in charters should be subject to a special 25 percent income tax surcharge? And all the money that raises can be earmarked for even more over-the-top renovations for DCPS? Do any of the schools have lazy rivers, yet?

Let's see...those over-the-top renovations to a handful of DCPS high schools were completed a decade ago.

When did you choose to start your child in a charter?

The city is in the middle of spending $5 billion to renovate every single DCPS school. The over-the-top makeovers will continue for years to come.

There is not anything over the top about ensuring that buildings meet code and reflect 21st century learning standards.

Yep. The Harriet Tubman re-build (note, it's not just a renovation; it includes new construction) sounds expensive to me at $86 million (that's the number I see online). I imagine DC is paying its close-knit developer and construction friends generously.

But, "The project will replace the 1970s-era building at 3101 13th Street NW and create expanded classroom, gym and dining space for neighborhood students." It will now be ADA-compliant and Net Zero. Is energy efficiency a bad thing ot invest in?

Why does every single DCPS school get a $100 million makeover, and not a single charter?

Charters do get renovated. They renovate when they decide to renovate. It happens all the time.

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