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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.
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BIKE LANES HAVE BROUGHT SAN FRANCISCO AND PORTLAND TO THE BRINK OF THE ABYSS!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!1111
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


+1. Also general purpose driving lanes that allow any type of vehicle don't benefit everyone, they benefit drivers. Connecticut Ave currently has six lanes dedicated to vehicles and they wouldn't need so many if private cars were not allowed on the street. Sure, most people benefit from delivery drivers but if the only vehicles on the street were delivery trucks you could have a widely pared down street.
Wait a second-are you advocating for shutting down roads to "private" cars and you want bike lanes???? Explain to me how this is sharing the road? PS-it ain't going to happen but keep whistlin Dixie if it makes you feel better.


Not only that. They're also demanding that we all increase our individual essential goods costs 30% or more by having everything delivered.


I can make up numbers too!


Peapod has a $10 delivery fee + expected tip + higher item costs + creating a monopoly on essential purchases. Doordash is even worse, but they would be banned under this idiotic suggestion.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


Bike lanes don't cause injuries or fatalities. I don't know where you got this Koch Brother tripe from but it doesn't even make logical sense.

The impact on business you assert is totally false. Study after study shows a neutral to positive impact. None show negative impact.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


That assumes that there will be an exponentional increase in bicycling on the order of thousands of percent. The odds of that are extremely low. We can already see, based on Capital Bikeshare data, that bicycle usage peaked in 2017 and that bike lanes do nothing.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


+1. Also general purpose driving lanes that allow any type of vehicle don't benefit everyone, they benefit drivers. Connecticut Ave currently has six lanes dedicated to vehicles and they wouldn't need so many if private cars were not allowed on the street. Sure, most people benefit from delivery drivers but if the only vehicles on the street were delivery trucks you could have a widely pared down street.
Wait a second-are you advocating for shutting down roads to "private" cars and you want bike lanes???? Explain to me how this is sharing the road? PS-it ain't going to happen but keep whistlin Dixie if it makes you feel better.


Not only that. They're also demanding that we all increase our individual essential goods costs 30% or more by having everything delivered.


I can make up numbers too!


Peapod has a $10 delivery fee + expected tip + higher item costs + creating a monopoly on essential purchases. Doordash is even worse, but they would be banned under this idiotic suggestion.


And a car costs roughly $10,000 a year to own and operate.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


That assumes that there will be an exponentional increase in bicycling on the order of thousands of percent. The odds of that are extremely low. We can already see, based on Capital Bikeshare data, that bicycle usage peaked in 2017 and that bike lanes do nothing.


Maybe y'all could get with each other to decide whether bike lanes are bad because people use them, or bike lanes are bad because people don't use them, and then get back to us?
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


Bike lanes don't cause injuries or fatalities. I don't know where you got this Koch Brother tripe from but it doesn't even make logical sense.

The impact on business you assert is totally false. Study after study shows a neutral to positive impact. None show negative impact.


https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=arch_crp_theses

117% increase in crashes from protected bike lanes versus shared road

Over 400% increase from cycle tracks
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


+1. Also general purpose driving lanes that allow any type of vehicle don't benefit everyone, they benefit drivers. Connecticut Ave currently has six lanes dedicated to vehicles and they wouldn't need so many if private cars were not allowed on the street. Sure, most people benefit from delivery drivers but if the only vehicles on the street were delivery trucks you could have a widely pared down street.
Wait a second-are you advocating for shutting down roads to "private" cars and you want bike lanes???? Explain to me how this is sharing the road? PS-it ain't going to happen but keep whistlin Dixie if it makes you feel better.


Not only that. They're also demanding that we all increase our individual essential goods costs 30% or more by having everything delivered.


I can make up numbers too!


Peapod has a $10 delivery fee + expected tip + higher item costs + creating a monopoly on essential purchases. Doordash is even worse, but they would be banned under this idiotic suggestion.


And a car costs roughly $10,000 a year to own and operate.


😂 No it doesn't
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


+1. Also general purpose driving lanes that allow any type of vehicle don't benefit everyone, they benefit drivers. Connecticut Ave currently has six lanes dedicated to vehicles and they wouldn't need so many if private cars were not allowed on the street. Sure, most people benefit from delivery drivers but if the only vehicles on the street were delivery trucks you could have a widely pared down street.
Wait a second-are you advocating for shutting down roads to "private" cars and you want bike lanes???? Explain to me how this is sharing the road? PS-it ain't going to happen but keep whistlin Dixie if it makes you feel better.


Not only that. They're also demanding that we all increase our individual essential goods costs 30% or more by having everything delivered.


I can make up numbers too!


Peapod has a $10 delivery fee + expected tip + higher item costs + creating a monopoly on essential purchases. Doordash is even worse, but they would be banned under this idiotic suggestion.


And a car costs roughly $10,000 a year to own and operate.


😂 No it doesn't


Yes, it does. https://www.bts.gov/content/average-cost-owning-and-operating-automobilea-assuming-15000-vehicle-miles-year
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


Bike lanes don't cause injuries or fatalities. I don't know where you got this Koch Brother tripe from but it doesn't even make logical sense.

The impact on business you assert is totally false. Study after study shows a neutral to positive impact. None show negative impact.


https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=arch_crp_theses

117% increase in crashes from protected bike lanes versus shared road

Over 400% increase from cycle tracks


It's weird how more drivers hit bicyclists on roads where there are bicyclists, vs. on roads where there aren't bicyclists. I wonder why that might be. I also wonder how many drivers hit bicyclists on roads where there aren't drivers, vs. on roads where there are drivers.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


Bike lanes don't cause injuries or fatalities. I don't know where you got this Koch Brother tripe from but it doesn't even make logical sense.

The impact on business you assert is totally false. Study after study shows a neutral to positive impact. None show negative impact.


https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=arch_crp_theses

117% increase in crashes from protected bike lanes versus shared road

Over 400% increase from cycle tracks


Do you know what would prevent bike injuries or fatalities? No bikes. That is clearly your goal. We get it. But bikes were here before cars, they are cheaper to own and operate and they don't cause emissions or other environmental externalities, so, they aren't going anywhere, no matter how much you want to beg that they do. As such, a protected bike lanes is safer than no bike lane, and that is the path the mayor has chosen and there is near political unanimity around that decision.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


Bike lanes don't cause injuries or fatalities. I don't know where you got this Koch Brother tripe from but it doesn't even make logical sense.

The impact on business you assert is totally false. Study after study shows a neutral to positive impact. None show negative impact.


https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=arch_crp_theses

117% increase in crashes from protected bike lanes versus shared road

Over 400% increase from cycle tracks


It's weird how more drivers hit bicyclists on roads where there are bicyclists, vs. on roads where there aren't bicyclists. I wonder why that might be. I also wonder how many drivers hit bicyclists on roads where there aren't drivers, vs. on roads where there are drivers.


That's not what the study says.

Protected bike lanes increase bike accidents. While that mean seem counter-intuitive it is not. The reason is that protected bike lanes engender a false sense of invulnerability and separation which results in greater risk taking and a lack of attention when crossing driveways and intersections.
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Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.


Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.


Maybe it's a weird concept for you suburban commuters, but in most cities you don't actually need a car to go to the store.


You do understand that 1) the stores need roads to get their goods and 2) upper NW is not urban


Upper NW DC is urban. Good grief.


Many NW neighborhoods have a distinctly suburban feel, although the smart growth development lobby is fixated on trying to change that.


DC does have suburbs, but they are not in DC. Next you'll tell us that NYC isn't urban.


What fun word games you play. Upper NW is suburban and has always been so.


Upper NW used to be farmland, and before that, it was forest.


Yes, and then it was settled as a suburb of weekend homes for downtown.

Some of these areas in question don't even have sidewalks!


It's high time they got sidewalks, then. They are in an urban area.


Sounds like a good place to start instead of bike lanes.


Why instead of? That's silly. They serve different purposes. Both are good.


Do they? Better re-check your talking points. But you're right they do serve different purposes. One is useful and benefits everybody. The other is not useful and benefits a very small few.


Actually, bike lanes benefit both pedestrians and drivers by putting bikes in a different place making it safer for everyone.


This point keeps getting made repeatedly in this thread by seemingly multiple people. The most factual posts have the fewest replies.


The most dangerous place for bikes is when cars need to cross over. Those 200+ cross overs aren’t going away under this projects. Any safety benefits will be dwarfed by the increased induced demand.


Those are also the most dangerous places for pedestrians and cars. So we should just ban cars because the cars are the things that cause the most damage. Short of banning cars, we should have a place for each mode so that everyone knows where everyone else is, and can access the businesses as safely as possible.


The bike lane mafia is asking the city to spend untold millions of dollars to build bike lanes that will increase bike injuries/fatalities from the current ZERO to likely dozens per year. Not to mention all the businesses that will be impacted. Honestly, this is the same bizarre progressive logic that has brought San Francisco and Portland to the brink of the abyss. There is no reasoning with these people. They destroy every city they latch on to. It’s like watching a slow motion bike wreck.


Bike lanes don't cause injuries or fatalities. I don't know where you got this Koch Brother tripe from but it doesn't even make logical sense.

The impact on business you assert is totally false. Study after study shows a neutral to positive impact. None show negative impact.


https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=arch_crp_theses

117% increase in crashes from protected bike lanes versus shared road

Over 400% increase from cycle tracks


Do you know what would prevent bike injuries or fatalities? No bikes. That is clearly your goal. We get it. But bikes were here before cars, they are cheaper to own and operate and they don't cause emissions or other environmental externalities, so, they aren't going anywhere, no matter how much you want to beg that they do. As such, a protected bike lanes is safer than no bike lane, and that is the path the mayor has chosen and there is near political unanimity around that decision.


That's not my goal. There's nothing wrong with bikes or bicyclists in general. It's the plan to intentionally increase congestion and waste ten of millions of dollars on a barely used amenity that I don't like.
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