I found him truly engaging. What's the story of what worked well and what did not when he was with DCU?
What is the focus of the new director?
He's no longer at DCU and he answered your questions on the podcast.
You have no connection to DCU, you have no kid at DCU, you won't have a son at DCU
Take your unhealthy obsession elsewhere
Dude, those are questions. Why are you so emotional over questions?
Previous Post isn't emotional
You're disingenuous and have proven through your multiple posts that you have an agenda to denigrate and disparage the academy, the players and their parents
Your 'just a question' is your repeated modus operandi for an opening for you to reel off another slew of toxicity
If you care that much about information about the academy, contact the academy or go to games and speak to academy parents. That's what people with legitimate interests do.
Make sure you gather the fathers in a group and talk the crap you've been saying here directly to their faces for additional bonus points
So…I posted the link. Not sure you are aware that you are talking to many different people. I do check this forum two times a day but not sure how you can post 4 minutes after my question if you are not refreshing constantly. That seems like an obsession.
Although I have made no statement about the kids, parents or academy in asking a genuine question, you told me “ you have no kid at DCU, you won't have a son at DCU” without knowing anything about me. Is that not the definition of toxic when you have no idea who I am or how may times my kid has been invited to DCU, Nashville, CLT, Philly or Red Bulls?
He did clearly lay out the key to the DMV producing more professional footballers and I am genuinely curious on whether he just talks well on a podcast or whether it is an unfixable problem due to the culture under this ownership. Silence is golden so I think I have my answer.
your kid has such quality that he is being sought after and actively being recruited by multiple professional mls academies but you're on an anonymous blog seeking advice from people you don't know?
Bro...they reached out to me when my kid was 10. F----ing 10. I thought it was psychotic. I did not ask for any of this. You said the same thing 100 pages ago with hater energy because your kid did not have the same requests. For the record, it does not mean s---- to have these requests early. I am actually humble in this process and understand it means nothing. Puberty is undefeated.
If I blindly just went with the clubs like many of you, my kid would fully be in the MLS system and be relegated to the MLS rules and it suppressive pay structure which keeps the MLS profitable. I respect their business acumen while deploring it as a parent of a kid in the system For a family who cannot afford $10k-$20k annually to properly train, MLS Academy is a viable pathway and they should choose it. I am fortunate to make a little bit of coin so I can afford to pay $10k - $20k in training annually for my kid to develop and then afford a visa into Europe when he hits 15-16. I only became aware of this pathway courtesy of this little anonymous message board. I have been able to verify the information on this board in real life and find the real people who execute it in real life.
My kid has not even had their first crush yet and I am supposed to leave town for a team before puberty. Maybe I am a little too rationale. I don't find missing out on a high school life or family life for virtual school out of town to end up at Old Dominion for D1 soccer an appealing pathway for my child. No knock to ODU in this example but all of my kids are on a high academic track and if my kid is not going pro, I would rather them go D3 at NYU or Ivy than D1 at any old school. Unless something changes at DCU, we will bide our time here locally until U15/U16, go against the grain and local culture and play P2P, and then I will start a business in Europe and we will see how my kid fares there. Whether he succeeds or not, I did my parental job of maximizing his chances on something with 1 in 100,000 odds.
Despite what ya'll think, if you actually read between the lines and toxicity, this forum is 100% gold for real information. We are not alone in not getting information from the MLS academies. Many of the parents in other markets have the same gripes outside of the DMV. We are fortunate to have this forum which allows people to share and express without retribution. I know I share genuine information for other parents. My kid only benefits when others in his age group get better. A rising tide lifts all boats.
Thanks for posting this, because it's an interesting take and I'm curious about this pathway. Where to start. So, you say that your son caught the scout's eye when they were 10. But you resisted and are part of the P2P system here. MLS Next or ECNL? Just curious. What caught my eye was the visa part and going to Europe to play. That's great that you are able to secure a Euro visa for your family and your son. You say visa and not passport right? Because I think that's two different things. Passports can be difficult and are easier said than done having investigated this myself for myself and children. My child plays at a high level and one of their aspirational goals was to play for their grandparents' home country national team. It looks less and less likely as time goes on as we have investigated pathways to secure entry into Europe.
Back to your child's path. What drives your thinking that you will be able to relocate to Europe, start a business and have your son catch on at a Euro academy when they are 15/16 years old? Have they had interest from European scouts at a younger age and you have demonstrated to them that you can secure a Euro visa so it simplifies the situation for them? I find it difficult to fathom that your son would be able to show up at a European club at 15/16 as an unknown commodity and walk into their program. My godson is in the middle of doing this as an older kid, but in order to play hockey in some of the euro leagues. He was able to begin the process of securing a Slovak passport due to his familial ties to the country. He's also had conversation with some of their Tier 2 hockey clubs after having played junior hockey here in the US.
I'm just curious because this pathway seems like an even bigger risk and less likely of succeeding than playing here in the US and going to a highly regarded D3 or Ivy and playing. I realize that some of my questions are pretty pointed and personal, so please understand I'm just trying to figure some of this out myself. And look, while your child's goal is not playing D1 soccer at ODU, my son has a HS friend playing there and having a blast doing it. Sure, the Sun Belt might not be your kid's dream, but it is someone else's. To each his own, right? Thanks for entertaining my questions.
1) MLS Next academy for a U12 team. Scouted at a tournament in PA.
2) Honestly, I am using visa and passport interchangeably but I know he can get registered under each route There are three potential routes: 1) Residual income visa in country A; 2) Residency passport via grandparent in country B; 3) My firm has an office that I can use to launch a business via in country C (learned from another American). I actually read the FIFA rules posted in this thread and began networking. THERE ARE ALOT OF AMERICANS OVER THERE and they have the attorneys that can explain the pitfalls of people who don’t prepare. Many don’t prepare properly and can’t register their players. Some jumped too early before the kid is mentally ready. You will be hearing about many of them over the next 2 World Cup cycles.
3) My kid is not an unknown commodity. My kid has played overseas in two of the countries already and we are going to the 3rd and 4th later this year and next spring. We are visiting next year with American dual-citizens whose kid has already received an offer from a Bundesliga academy. Our kids are similarly skilled and he is taking us simply to trial and see how competitive and aggressive their style of play is. The guy brokering it has a kid in a Bundesliga academy on a USYNT. Nevertheless, my kid trials with clubs annually and we are not afraid of landing where he lands and working his way through where ever that is.
4) Whether my kid goes or not, he focuses on his studies intensely because I told him in order for me to allow him to go to an academy I have to trust he can be self-sufficient. It is still a few years away and I know Stanford currently has an amazing online high school and I imagine more offerings will come available in time. I remind him that Lewandowski earned his Masters degree while playing professionally so that is the expectation.
5) I think most of us have seen most of the kids in our age group. I know where my kid is relative to his peers. It changes annually but as long as my kid focused on his journey and IDP, he will be okay. Most of our top kids are professional academy-level overseas. DCU serves DC, NOVA, B-More, Richmond, Delaware and a portion of WV which could be 6 different markets overseas. We are much further spread out and they are working from a much more condensed talent pool. The key is staying in striking distance through U15/U16. We don’t typically keep pace from the U12 years through U15/U16 so we will keep going overseas annually and getting feedback on our game. We get quarterly feedback from my kids game tape and adjust his IDP based on what he needs to improve.
All of those players who take are D1 spots become coaches here and they all have connections. I imagine someone will get paid if my kid lands in an academy but that is not my business.
6) No worries on the questions and I don’t take it personal. These are not easy decisions or an easy process but it is my son’s goal so I am simply doing my best to help him achieve it. I ask a lot of questions and listen well. I really am grateful for this thread and willing to share as others have done for me.
7) Yes, to each his own. I don’t mean to disparage anyone’s dream but I don’t think people are paying attention to the end product when going through this path. I went to a nothing college and made something out of myself so I think anyone can make it no matter where they go.
Max Dowman and Lamine Yamal are the outliers out of 7-8 billion people. If a kid really wants to follow their dream, they may have to work hard for 4-10 years after hitting puberty just to break into a first team. That’s closer to reality and if my son wants that path, I am going to support it. It is a lot more interesting than my path. Even if he never makes it, he is already bilingual and working to be trilingual in pursuit of his goal. The habits for simply preparing to make a move are stronger than most kids his age.
I think I answered all of the questions.
As the one who asked the questions, thank you for your detailed response. Your son is very fortunate that he has a family that is in a position where they can travel to Europe annually for training and development. That's not a reality for many players. And at U12 as well. Good luck with your journey. It will be a wild ride, I'm sure.
Thanks. Here is the fun part of all of this. This is my first time on this board today. Somebody posted as me and tweedle dee is doing his usual hater thing without tweedle dumb. Funny how he knows the precise transfer rules as a novice who does not believe any of our little Messi's are exceptional and capable of making it pro. Odd. Nevertheless, you don't have be in my position. Here are a few suggestions to maximize your kids development:
1) I know alot of kids in academies around the country identified through Id2, ODP and major tournaments not affiliated with MLS Next. People are always watching. Academies like Nashville and NE have residential options because they don't have a dense talent pool like us. Nashville has picked up several DMV kids recently and the fact they are sitting on top of the eastern conference right now after just 5 years of existence means people should pay attention to them and their academy. I was shocked at how open Philly was about how they are circumventing the DCU territory rules. You will notice that the other MLS clubs are actively poaching this area but they know how much talent is here. That is a route I would take if not going to Europe. Would you really want to be with other parents who don't believe their kids have a shot? That is rule #1 of how not to do anything. If I cited every person who failed at running a firm like mine, I never would have started.
2) Patrick literally said on the podcast that our DMV talent pool is so rich, it did not need the special programs that NE Revolution needs. I personally believe we should produce 3-5 professionals per age group. That is how deep the talent pool is here in comparison to European academies. Ignorance goes away when you actually see it. Our kids are good. However, we don't have the confidence. We don't have the coaching. We don't have anyone to lead us. SYC current talent pools are stacked and if they don't produce 3 pro's out of their 2011-2014 groups then we will really know it is a coaching and development problem. What is disappointing about the discourse in this thread is that criticism about DCU is NEVER ABOUT THE KIDS. The kids in the academy and about 25-50 outside of the academy are awesome. The emperor has no clothes and does not know how to nurture the deep talent pool he inherits annually. False8 is the only entity speaking belief in these kids while having them spend 1.5 hours a day on 8-step combinations that they will never use in a game (smh and another topic). We simply need leadership on the fundamentals that translate to the professional game.
3) Christian Pulisic used Ekkonno for his soccer IQ and film review to update his tactics. I don't use them but there are several other companies that do film review from an international perspective and Ekkonno still does. You don't need to fly across the pond to get independent advice on what your kid needs to work on.
4) Develop an IDP. No club has a personal blueprint to develop your child that I have found in the DMV. It is up to you, the parent. If you take a long-term approach, I am confident more kids would make it. Making it in soccer is bigger than a paycheck. The mindset of a professional soccer player is so strong that it can translate to any field in business or civics after your kids playing days are over. I only have one kid with this goal in soccer and my other kids goals are infinitely easier to game plan for and achieve.
I stated this before in this thread but Athletic Bilbao fields an entire La Liga 1st team that has never been relegated in the history of La Liga from a population base of 2m people. DC, MD and VA, excluding Delaware and West Virginia, is about 15m people. With all of the investment people make in this area, we really can't produce more with almost 8x the population?! I don't buy that.
On number 2 in the PP above...I personally think that most Americans don't really understand what talent in football truly is because we don't have the knowledge or education in the sport in this country. It is our biggest downfall as a nation in football. We can't consistently identify the right talent. Americans look at a game and see someone do some fancy moves 1v1, run really really hard, sprint really fast, work really really hard and think those kids are ballers. I'm not saying this is you, but I'm saying it is a lot of what I see from American parents and alot of what DCU recruits. They don't even understand what good looks like. If you don't know what good looks like, how can you possibly understand the standard by which your son needs to be developed INTO A PRO? This is the fundamental problem with the DMV football system and most importantly DCU. A lot of ignorant parents who just don't understand what it takes to become a professional because if they did, they would know right away, without hesitation that DCU will not achieve that goal in any way. Not in its current form. And most parents judge soccer talent in the younger ages which is really unfortunate because the younger ages are basically irrelevant. 2011-2014 age groups are u15 and UNDER. Bro, these kids are barely playing real football. They can't produce enough power and speed yet to even come close to what a real football game will look like at 18 and not to mention, most, if not all of them will fall off the map once puberty is done. They will be in two camps, early bloomers who peaked too early or not athletic enough to cut it once real speed and athleticism takes over a massive part of the game in the US. The third element would be just technical mastery. But the reality is that most kids in the DMV who are flooding the system come from some sort of wealth. What that usually translates to is that they don't have the same grind mentality to really perfect their craft. Why most players in the DMV peak at about 15-16. In the younger years they have the most time to work on their game. As they get older, the free time lessens, and they actually practice THEIR (not the team's) game very little.
3-5 pro players per age group could be achievable if we had better coaching at the younger ages. We just don't have that. But the reality is that the DMV talent pool isn't what it used to be. I'm sorry to break that to you. Look at the youth national teams. Very little representation from the DMV and 10-15 years ago there were many DMV players ON the actual national teams not in regional camps. American players are much more brave with the ball than European players at young ages and they play with less fear. But what is obvious when you put those same American players in a sophisticated system, they have absolutely no idea what they are doing. They don't understand formations and what they mean defensively and offensively, they don't understand how to move off the ball (just what to do when they have it), the decision making is usually very questionable because they aren't taught the decision making fundamental, the passing accuracy of American players is way off (you can see this even in our own national team) and when the game speeds up and you're playing max two touches...its over. And maybe most importantly, and the PP said this too, they don't have game speed translatable skills. The pace of play in the US is just FAR slower than Europe especially defensively.
The DMV football ecosystem that was once great sold itself to the all mighty dollar and our talent pool took a massive hit. Now everything is about making money. Literally everything. You think going to group sessions at NextStar will make a kid a pro??? NO chance. You're doing what everyone else is doing at that point. Running hills and around the track at 9?? Dumb. Your 9 year old has no real muscles to develop and you're putting stress on a developing body for no real reason. at 16-17 different story. Cone drills that don't translate to the game...Death to a player as he gets older. Head down syndrome and less dynamic moves for the big field because the cone drills program the player to keep the ball super tight. But in most positions you need to be able to keep it tight AND create BIG moves into open space with dynamic movements. Here is the truth, most coaches who actually do know what it takes to be a pro won't actually tell the parents because they know that most, if not all of them, won't sacrifice that much of their kids lives for the sport. So they keep them thinking this is what it takes to get their money knowing that your little Jimmy has probably no chance not because they don't have some talent, but because they will never be able to keep up with players that are grinding much harder around the world. Most parents in the DMV and America are always hedging, and trying to do it all. You can't do that if you want to be a pro in football. You have to be all in or all out. There is no half way. Parents in the DMV are educated enough and know the statistics well enough not to put all of their eggs into a football basket so what you have is a lot players masquerading as wanting to be pros but the reality is that they are on a college trajectory because that is what DMV soccer is about. This is the player DCU caters to and why they have no legit pros out of the academy in the last 3-4 YEARS. Look up the schedule of a top academy player in Europe and compare that to a player in DCU's system. It is just not a fair fight. The DCU kids have no chance.
The DMV could be much better because we have a large football population that spends money. But the reality is that most of that money is spent keeping up with the Joneses, not trying to legitimately produce a professional player. Because a legitimate pro prospect would leave the DMV as soon as the opportunity presented itself.
I do agree that we need more leadership and guidance. But that means stripping these pay to play clubs of their strangle hold on the youth system at the younger ages and actually teaching the kids to really play. Not just win games which is what the system is programmed to do. Pay to play clubs won't give up their control easily. This coupled with the fact that DCU is a broke and inept club when it comes to the academy is why they don't have younger ages in their system. Pay to play can't compete with free.
Ok old man. A lot of meat on this bone to get through. Thank you again. I think you're correct in your overall assessment. However, while I am a novice parent, I have seen Kevin Parades cook in the Bundesliga (when not hurt) so I know it is possible to play in a top 5 league from the DMV. A few questions:
a) Pace of play and soccer IQ is the number one factor I hear that we lag behind our international counterparts. How do we train speed of play and soccer IQ outside of the clubs? I know it is not the same being here versus Europe but the best I can do until we leave.
b) Questions regarding Next Star and physical fitness. I am a runner so I know that many East African runners have a strong aerobic base from running to school and many other aspects of their childhood that many westerners can't replicate. You don't think age appropriate physical fitness can create a foundation starting in the elementary ages?
c) Regarding an academy player schedule in Europe, break that down between the 2011-2014 age ranges please. In a few years, we will be in Europe but we do understand that this is the drop-off period. How much time does my child need to dedicate weekly and where should the time be allocated?
d) I think that the sacrifice piece is the main issue in the DMV because none of us really know how good you have to be and we are mostly a large set of successful professionals with advanced degrees. I do understand I am trying to thread the needle but I am not prepared to give up education. I have forgone private school for this kid and I am willing to forgo AP classes when the time comes which are big sacrifices for me. At the same time, I can be who you are talking to as well in this post. Anything else needed to sacrifice? I imagine he may need to go virtual in the next few years to maintain his training load and sleep/recovery schedule and I am willing to do that if he continues down the same path.
As always, I appreciate these candid discussions.
Thanks for this post. Totally reasonable questions presented in a constructive way. Thanks for that. We need more of this on the thread. Let's discuss...
On Paredes and the possibility of playing in a top 5 league from the DMV...I know his case VERY well...He got to Wolfsburg and was not even close to getting minutes. He was too far behind the European players when he first got to Germany. It took him two years to get in the rotation and while he had some solid performances once he was able to break through, he was never a key guy on the team even when healthy. Not a knock on him, just facts. Can you get to a top 5 league from the DMV, yes but that is true just about anywhere if you have the ambition and drive to do so. But you also need a x factor, a quality that is above everyone. Paredes has speed on the outside which alot of.Bundesliga clubs were looking for because Germany doesn't produce a lot of pacey wingers in its system. Much more center backs, midfielders and goalies. Paredes himself will probably tell you that DCU didn't prepare him for the Bundesliga. It was obvious when he arrived. But he had physical baseline that was needed and a foundation the club thought they could build on. They new he was a project coming in but they saw upside potential.. same with Akinmboni at Bournemouth. Barely played at DCU but Bournemouth bought his physical upside with a gamble they could teach him how to be a real player..that gamble isn't paying off for them. He was much too far behind technically...bottom line is can you make it there yes, but what you're seeing is that most of these players are just hanging on. And that is because they didn't have the proper technical and tactical foundation...raw talent gets them the opportunities, real technical ability has the staying power..
Pace of play: in short, you have to create overload situations (physical and mental) all the time. Everything that a player does in a session is at maximum effort and there are no sessions without really hard defense being played both to pressure the offensive players but to also work on defensive intensity. 2v3, 1v2, imbalance sessions so there is more defense than teammates and solutions have to be found quicker and the player is the solution, not someone else. Again at max speed. Cannot stress this enough. If individual, everything is game simulation movements and position specific...center backs are training different skills than 8s and 10s.. not enough room here to map out a training regime but you get the point and there is enough online for you to develop a program. You just need to find the players to train regularly like this with the same mentality. I see most training in the DMV and the speed is about 60 percent of what it is in Europe.. breaks, phone checking, it's all lazy. Training has to be FASTER and more difficult than the game so the game feels easy. Can promise you, most people aren't training like that. I've seen kids leaving private sessions barely sweating. Not going to work.
NextStar and fitness: I do believe there is age appropriate physical fitness that can help build a foundation. We are on the same page there. But NextStar doesn't provide that. They have the 18 year olds running the same hills and programs as the 9 year olds which makes absolutely no sense for the 9 year olds. At 9, if you're training just the sport at the intensity I'm talking about, your fitness will be there. But let's really break down why these private trainers like NextStar have your kids running hills and the track. The simple reason is that, increased stamina and power at younger ages can make you standout without much on the ball work and mastery. It is much easier to train and less frustrating for the kids. Easy money maker because on the weekends you can see results faster and you think it's NextStar! But reality is Watching your kid run around the track is way easier than actually teaching them how to correctly touch the ball. Its the same for the clubs. Outlasting the opponents is a much easier strategy than actually teaching them how to play. Again, any sport with running as the main component requires baseline fitness. I just don't believe in treating 9 year olds the same as fully developed 18 year olds in terms of training. And when you have a coach like some in NextStar who played only one way, run fast and try to beat people, if you have a player who isn't like this, what are you doing?
2011-2014 training: At u15 many of the players are training 4 days a week and a lot of them are training twice a day. Morning session and a evening session. And at an intensity that is far superior to the US. Under u15, honestly, no one cares. Just build the players love for the game and the ball and focus on giving them a strong technical foundation WITH BOTH FEET and train at high intensity levels ALL THE TIME. You will see a major difference. Comfort on the ball translates very well. In terms of time spent per week I don't think there is a one size fits all. But just know that if your son isn't touching the ball everyday with deliberate practice he is falling behind. That is if he wants to be a legit pro and battle in Europe. Staying in the US that could be ok..and that doesn't mean 5 hours a day. It could be 30 minutes. But 30.minutes of deliberately practicing something to get better. Not random cones drills or YouTube video sessions. Most kids don't have this type of discipline and most parents in the DMV don't hold their kids accountable to this type of discipline because again, they are mostly wealthy and don't need football. Go up against a kid and family that NEEDS football to survive and see how that goes.
Sacrifice: this is so personal to you, your family situation and your ultimate goals. Your REAL goals. End of day it is all.about time allocation and management. What you'll find is that as your child gets older, there isn't enough time in the day to actually get better if you're following a traditional school plan and have genuine rigor in those academic settings. You're just going through the motions. Going through the motions is where our kids stall and European kids skyrocket. Many European parents will toss school out the window for the chance at pro football. We won't do that here and honestly, rightfully so. What happens in Europe is that once the kids can stop going to school they do and concentrate solely on football day in and day out. They don't go to university and they just play in the highest environments they can until they either get phased out of the system or they make it. Sacrifice is a tough thing. You have to find the right balance for you and your family. It's not easy..but just know this, if you're on the same schedule as most of your son's peers, you're behind.
Really thoughtful questions and again, I appreciate this dialogue as it is productive. And to wrap it all together and make it relevant for DCU...You have no chance of being a professional in DCUs system as it is today. .why they haven't signed a kid to the first team from the academy in over THREE YEARS.
This is the BEST POST AND RESPONSE I have read on this forum regarding going pro. Thank you sir/madam. Read this carefully and you will understand why we don't have true elite players in the DMV. I have seen MLS Next games from DCU, Armour, SYC, BSC, Achilles in the DMV. And I have identifed only ONE, ONE player that I see going pro.
This is key: Most kids don't have this type of discipline and most parents in the DMV don't hold their kids accountable to this type of discipline because again, they are mostly wealthy and don't need football. Go up against a kid and family that NEEDS football to survive and see how that goes
YES. And to be honest, once you get to a certain level, everyone can play. And play really well. The differences are minor but the minor differences in a footballer make massive differences in a game at the highest speeds. Going pro involves ALOT of variables, we are just talking about the things the players can control. What we aren't talking about are the uncontrollables which are also a major hurdle. Injuries, politics, team dynamics, system fit, physical profile are all things that play MAJOR factors in this that parents in the DMV mostly have no clue about.
Most parents in DCUs system haven't even thought about what a real pro pathway looks like at DCU for their son. Let me crystalize that...No second team, this means unless you're ready for the first team at 17, then you're out. Thats one. Two is this...Have you ever thought about what position your son plays and how that translates to the way the first team plays and/or the positions that are in demand at DCU? What I can tell you is this, there are no academy players that are going to play in the vanity positions on the first team unless they are absolute BALLERS. Dominant. DCU will buy those players in the open market because the leadership thinks they fill seats. No one is coming to watch some 17 year old unless they are truly special. And that is how DCU leadership thinks. Its all about game day revenue and merchandise. So that means, if you're a striker, or winger at DCU, you probably have less than zero chance to make it to the first team in the current model. Goals fill seats in the MLS system. Center back better of a chance, Goalie probably best chance. Midfield all depends on the roster and where the needs are. These are all things that most DCU parents aren't even looking at because they don't know how the system works.
What type of player is DCU even best at producing?? No one can answer that because the club has no real identity or view on this. Whereas in Europe some clubs are better at producing midfielders, others strikers, others backs etc etc. And if you're strategic about your son and the approach you understand this and guide him to a program that wants to build him in their methodology and that should be suited to his game. I can't tell you how many kids I've seen in Europe go to academies for the name recognition and literally get bounced a year later because they didn't realize that the team they were going to had three players better than them at their position or that the club wants to high press all game and the player can't play defense or that the philosophical approach isn't possession based and the player is a possession style midfielder. Bit problem. All factors that play a huge role in development and factors that most parents in the DMV overlook because honestly, they just don't know because our system is just not that sophisticated.
Thanks for continuing to post this because it is very true. The DCU Academy is broken - the lack of a true 2nd team is just absolutely unacceptable and I don't know how MLS let's them continue to get away with it. Knowing several players that have gone through the DCU Academy, none of them have had glowing reviews of the program and this is from players have just aged out, a younger MLS player and an established MLS player. It's a mess and will continue to be that way.
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
I found him truly engaging. What's the story of what worked well and what did not when he was with DCU?
What is the focus of the new director?
He's no longer at DCU and he answered your questions on the podcast.
You have no connection to DCU, you have no kid at DCU, you won't have a son at DCU
Take your unhealthy obsession elsewhere
Dude, those are questions. Why are you so emotional over questions?
Previous Post isn't emotional
You're disingenuous and have proven through your multiple posts that you have an agenda to denigrate and disparage the academy, the players and their parents
Your 'just a question' is your repeated modus operandi for an opening for you to reel off another slew of toxicity
If you care that much about information about the academy, contact the academy or go to games and speak to academy parents. That's what people with legitimate interests do.
Make sure you gather the fathers in a group and talk the crap you've been saying here directly to their faces for additional bonus points
So…I posted the link. Not sure you are aware that you are talking to many different people. I do check this forum two times a day but not sure how you can post 4 minutes after my question if you are not refreshing constantly. That seems like an obsession.
Although I have made no statement about the kids, parents or academy in asking a genuine question, you told me “ you have no kid at DCU, you won't have a son at DCU” without knowing anything about me. Is that not the definition of toxic when you have no idea who I am or how may times my kid has been invited to DCU, Nashville, CLT, Philly or Red Bulls?
He did clearly lay out the key to the DMV producing more professional footballers and I am genuinely curious on whether he just talks well on a podcast or whether it is an unfixable problem due to the culture under this ownership. Silence is golden so I think I have my answer.
your kid has such quality that he is being sought after and actively being recruited by multiple professional mls academies but you're on an anonymous blog seeking advice from people you don't know?
Bro...they reached out to me when my kid was 10. F----ing 10. I thought it was psychotic. I did not ask for any of this. You said the same thing 100 pages ago with hater energy because your kid did not have the same requests. For the record, it does not mean s---- to have these requests early. I am actually humble in this process and understand it means nothing. Puberty is undefeated.
If I blindly just went with the clubs like many of you, my kid would fully be in the MLS system and be relegated to the MLS rules and it suppressive pay structure which keeps the MLS profitable. I respect their business acumen while deploring it as a parent of a kid in the system For a family who cannot afford $10k-$20k annually to properly train, MLS Academy is a viable pathway and they should choose it. I am fortunate to make a little bit of coin so I can afford to pay $10k - $20k in training annually for my kid to develop and then afford a visa into Europe when he hits 15-16. I only became aware of this pathway courtesy of this little anonymous message board. I have been able to verify the information on this board in real life and find the real people who execute it in real life.
My kid has not even had their first crush yet and I am supposed to leave town for a team before puberty. Maybe I am a little too rationale. I don't find missing out on a high school life or family life for virtual school out of town to end up at Old Dominion for D1 soccer an appealing pathway for my child. No knock to ODU in this example but all of my kids are on a high academic track and if my kid is not going pro, I would rather them go D3 at NYU or Ivy than D1 at any old school. Unless something changes at DCU, we will bide our time here locally until U15/U16, go against the grain and local culture and play P2P, and then I will start a business in Europe and we will see how my kid fares there. Whether he succeeds or not, I did my parental job of maximizing his chances on something with 1 in 100,000 odds.
Despite what ya'll think, if you actually read between the lines and toxicity, this forum is 100% gold for real information. We are not alone in not getting information from the MLS academies. Many of the parents in other markets have the same gripes outside of the DMV. We are fortunate to have this forum which allows people to share and express without retribution. I know I share genuine information for other parents. My kid only benefits when others in his age group get better. A rising tide lifts all boats.
Thanks for posting this, because it's an interesting take and I'm curious about this pathway. Where to start. So, you say that your son caught the scout's eye when they were 10. But you resisted and are part of the P2P system here. MLS Next or ECNL? Just curious. What caught my eye was the visa part and going to Europe to play. That's great that you are able to secure a Euro visa for your family and your son. You say visa and not passport right? Because I think that's two different things. Passports can be difficult and are easier said than done having investigated this myself for myself and children. My child plays at a high level and one of their aspirational goals was to play for their grandparents' home country national team. It looks less and less likely as time goes on as we have investigated pathways to secure entry into Europe.
Back to your child's path. What drives your thinking that you will be able to relocate to Europe, start a business and have your son catch on at a Euro academy when they are 15/16 years old? Have they had interest from European scouts at a younger age and you have demonstrated to them that you can secure a Euro visa so it simplifies the situation for them? I find it difficult to fathom that your son would be able to show up at a European club at 15/16 as an unknown commodity and walk into their program. My godson is in the middle of doing this as an older kid, but in order to play hockey in some of the euro leagues. He was able to begin the process of securing a Slovak passport due to his familial ties to the country. He's also had conversation with some of their Tier 2 hockey clubs after having played junior hockey here in the US.
I'm just curious because this pathway seems like an even bigger risk and less likely of succeeding than playing here in the US and going to a highly regarded D3 or Ivy and playing. I realize that some of my questions are pretty pointed and personal, so please understand I'm just trying to figure some of this out myself. And look, while your child's goal is not playing D1 soccer at ODU, my son has a HS friend playing there and having a blast doing it. Sure, the Sun Belt might not be your kid's dream, but it is someone else's. To each his own, right? Thanks for entertaining my questions.
1) MLS Next academy for a U12 team. Scouted at a tournament in PA.
2) Honestly, I am using visa and passport interchangeably but I know he can get registered under each route There are three potential routes: 1) Residual income visa in country A; 2) Residency passport via grandparent in country B; 3) My firm has an office that I can use to launch a business via in country C (learned from another American). I actually read the FIFA rules posted in this thread and began networking. THERE ARE ALOT OF AMERICANS OVER THERE and they have the attorneys that can explain the pitfalls of people who don’t prepare. Many don’t prepare properly and can’t register their players. Some jumped too early before the kid is mentally ready. You will be hearing about many of them over the next 2 World Cup cycles.
3) My kid is not an unknown commodity. My kid has played overseas in two of the countries already and we are going to the 3rd and 4th later this year and next spring. We are visiting next year with American dual-citizens whose kid has already received an offer from a Bundesliga academy. Our kids are similarly skilled and he is taking us simply to trial and see how competitive and aggressive their style of play is. The guy brokering it has a kid in a Bundesliga academy on a USYNT. Nevertheless, my kid trials with clubs annually and we are not afraid of landing where he lands and working his way through where ever that is.
4) Whether my kid goes or not, he focuses on his studies intensely because I told him in order for me to allow him to go to an academy I have to trust he can be self-sufficient. It is still a few years away and I know Stanford currently has an amazing online high school and I imagine more offerings will come available in time. I remind him that Lewandowski earned his Masters degree while playing professionally so that is the expectation.
5) I think most of us have seen most of the kids in our age group. I know where my kid is relative to his peers. It changes annually but as long as my kid focused on his journey and IDP, he will be okay. Most of our top kids are professional academy-level overseas. DCU serves DC, NOVA, B-More, Richmond, Delaware and a portion of WV which could be 6 different markets overseas. We are much further spread out and they are working from a much more condensed talent pool. The key is staying in striking distance through U15/U16. We don’t typically keep pace from the U12 years through U15/U16 so we will keep going overseas annually and getting feedback on our game. We get quarterly feedback from my kids game tape and adjust his IDP based on what he needs to improve.
All of those players who take are D1 spots become coaches here and they all have connections. I imagine someone will get paid if my kid lands in an academy but that is not my business.
6) No worries on the questions and I don’t take it personal. These are not easy decisions or an easy process but it is my son’s goal so I am simply doing my best to help him achieve it. I ask a lot of questions and listen well. I really am grateful for this thread and willing to share as others have done for me.
7) Yes, to each his own. I don’t mean to disparage anyone’s dream but I don’t think people are paying attention to the end product when going through this path. I went to a nothing college and made something out of myself so I think anyone can make it no matter where they go.
Max Dowman and Lamine Yamal are the outliers out of 7-8 billion people. If a kid really wants to follow their dream, they may have to work hard for 4-10 years after hitting puberty just to break into a first team. That’s closer to reality and if my son wants that path, I am going to support it. It is a lot more interesting than my path. Even if he never makes it, he is already bilingual and working to be trilingual in pursuit of his goal. The habits for simply preparing to make a move are stronger than most kids his age.
I think I answered all of the questions.
As the one who asked the questions, thank you for your detailed response. Your son is very fortunate that he has a family that is in a position where they can travel to Europe annually for training and development. That's not a reality for many players. And at U12 as well. Good luck with your journey. It will be a wild ride, I'm sure.
Thanks. Here is the fun part of all of this. This is my first time on this board today. Somebody posted as me and tweedle dee is doing his usual hater thing without tweedle dumb. Funny how he knows the precise transfer rules as a novice who does not believe any of our little Messi's are exceptional and capable of making it pro. Odd. Nevertheless, you don't have be in my position. Here are a few suggestions to maximize your kids development:
1) I know alot of kids in academies around the country identified through Id2, ODP and major tournaments not affiliated with MLS Next. People are always watching. Academies like Nashville and NE have residential options because they don't have a dense talent pool like us. Nashville has picked up several DMV kids recently and the fact they are sitting on top of the eastern conference right now after just 5 years of existence means people should pay attention to them and their academy. I was shocked at how open Philly was about how they are circumventing the DCU territory rules. You will notice that the other MLS clubs are actively poaching this area but they know how much talent is here. That is a route I would take if not going to Europe. Would you really want to be with other parents who don't believe their kids have a shot? That is rule #1 of how not to do anything. If I cited every person who failed at running a firm like mine, I never would have started.
2) Patrick literally said on the podcast that our DMV talent pool is so rich, it did not need the special programs that NE Revolution needs. I personally believe we should produce 3-5 professionals per age group. That is how deep the talent pool is here in comparison to European academies. Ignorance goes away when you actually see it. Our kids are good. However, we don't have the confidence. We don't have the coaching. We don't have anyone to lead us. SYC current talent pools are stacked and if they don't produce 3 pro's out of their 2011-2014 groups then we will really know it is a coaching and development problem. What is disappointing about the discourse in this thread is that criticism about DCU is NEVER ABOUT THE KIDS. The kids in the academy and about 25-50 outside of the academy are awesome. The emperor has no clothes and does not know how to nurture the deep talent pool he inherits annually. False8 is the only entity speaking belief in these kids while having them spend 1.5 hours a day on 8-step combinations that they will never use in a game (smh and another topic). We simply need leadership on the fundamentals that translate to the professional game.
3) Christian Pulisic used Ekkonno for his soccer IQ and film review to update his tactics. I don't use them but there are several other companies that do film review from an international perspective and Ekkonno still does. You don't need to fly across the pond to get independent advice on what your kid needs to work on.
4) Develop an IDP. No club has a personal blueprint to develop your child that I have found in the DMV. It is up to you, the parent. If you take a long-term approach, I am confident more kids would make it. Making it in soccer is bigger than a paycheck. The mindset of a professional soccer player is so strong that it can translate to any field in business or civics after your kids playing days are over. I only have one kid with this goal in soccer and my other kids goals are infinitely easier to game plan for and achieve.
I stated this before in this thread but Athletic Bilbao fields an entire La Liga 1st team that has never been relegated in the history of La Liga from a population base of 2m people. DC, MD and VA, excluding Delaware and West Virginia, is about 15m people. With all of the investment people make in this area, we really can't produce more with almost 8x the population?! I don't buy that.
On number 2 in the PP above...I personally think that most Americans don't really understand what talent in football truly is because we don't have the knowledge or education in the sport in this country. It is our biggest downfall as a nation in football. We can't consistently identify the right talent. Americans look at a game and see someone do some fancy moves 1v1, run really really hard, sprint really fast, work really really hard and think those kids are ballers. I'm not saying this is you, but I'm saying it is a lot of what I see from American parents and alot of what DCU recruits. They don't even understand what good looks like. If you don't know what good looks like, how can you possibly understand the standard by which your son needs to be developed INTO A PRO? This is the fundamental problem with the DMV football system and most importantly DCU. A lot of ignorant parents who just don't understand what it takes to become a professional because if they did, they would know right away, without hesitation that DCU will not achieve that goal in any way. Not in its current form. And most parents judge soccer talent in the younger ages which is really unfortunate because the younger ages are basically irrelevant. 2011-2014 age groups are u15 and UNDER. Bro, these kids are barely playing real football. They can't produce enough power and speed yet to even come close to what a real football game will look like at 18 and not to mention, most, if not all of them will fall off the map once puberty is done. They will be in two camps, early bloomers who peaked too early or not athletic enough to cut it once real speed and athleticism takes over a massive part of the game in the US. The third element would be just technical mastery. But the reality is that most kids in the DMV who are flooding the system come from some sort of wealth. What that usually translates to is that they don't have the same grind mentality to really perfect their craft. Why most players in the DMV peak at about 15-16. In the younger years they have the most time to work on their game. As they get older, the free time lessens, and they actually practice THEIR (not the team's) game very little.
3-5 pro players per age group could be achievable if we had better coaching at the younger ages. We just don't have that. But the reality is that the DMV talent pool isn't what it used to be. I'm sorry to break that to you. Look at the youth national teams. Very little representation from the DMV and 10-15 years ago there were many DMV players ON the actual national teams not in regional camps. American players are much more brave with the ball than European players at young ages and they play with less fear. But what is obvious when you put those same American players in a sophisticated system, they have absolutely no idea what they are doing. They don't understand formations and what they mean defensively and offensively, they don't understand how to move off the ball (just what to do when they have it), the decision making is usually very questionable because they aren't taught the decision making fundamental, the passing accuracy of American players is way off (you can see this even in our own national team) and when the game speeds up and you're playing max two touches...its over. And maybe most importantly, and the PP said this too, they don't have game speed translatable skills. The pace of play in the US is just FAR slower than Europe especially defensively.
The DMV football ecosystem that was once great sold itself to the all mighty dollar and our talent pool took a massive hit. Now everything is about making money. Literally everything. You think going to group sessions at NextStar will make a kid a pro??? NO chance. You're doing what everyone else is doing at that point. Running hills and around the track at 9?? Dumb. Your 9 year old has no real muscles to develop and you're putting stress on a developing body for no real reason. at 16-17 different story. Cone drills that don't translate to the game...Death to a player as he gets older. Head down syndrome and less dynamic moves for the big field because the cone drills program the player to keep the ball super tight. But in most positions you need to be able to keep it tight AND create BIG moves into open space with dynamic movements. Here is the truth, most coaches who actually do know what it takes to be a pro won't actually tell the parents because they know that most, if not all of them, won't sacrifice that much of their kids lives for the sport. So they keep them thinking this is what it takes to get their money knowing that your little Jimmy has probably no chance not because they don't have some talent, but because they will never be able to keep up with players that are grinding much harder around the world. Most parents in the DMV and America are always hedging, and trying to do it all. You can't do that if you want to be a pro in football. You have to be all in or all out. There is no half way. Parents in the DMV are educated enough and know the statistics well enough not to put all of their eggs into a football basket so what you have is a lot players masquerading as wanting to be pros but the reality is that they are on a college trajectory because that is what DMV soccer is about. This is the player DCU caters to and why they have no legit pros out of the academy in the last 3-4 YEARS. Look up the schedule of a top academy player in Europe and compare that to a player in DCU's system. It is just not a fair fight. The DCU kids have no chance.
The DMV could be much better because we have a large football population that spends money. But the reality is that most of that money is spent keeping up with the Joneses, not trying to legitimately produce a professional player. Because a legitimate pro prospect would leave the DMV as soon as the opportunity presented itself.
I do agree that we need more leadership and guidance. But that means stripping these pay to play clubs of their strangle hold on the youth system at the younger ages and actually teaching the kids to really play. Not just win games which is what the system is programmed to do. Pay to play clubs won't give up their control easily. This coupled with the fact that DCU is a broke and inept club when it comes to the academy is why they don't have younger ages in their system. Pay to play can't compete with free.
Ok old man. A lot of meat on this bone to get through. Thank you again. I think you're correct in your overall assessment. However, while I am a novice parent, I have seen Kevin Parades cook in the Bundesliga (when not hurt) so I know it is possible to play in a top 5 league from the DMV. A few questions:
a) Pace of play and soccer IQ is the number one factor I hear that we lag behind our international counterparts. How do we train speed of play and soccer IQ outside of the clubs? I know it is not the same being here versus Europe but the best I can do until we leave.
b) Questions regarding Next Star and physical fitness. I am a runner so I know that many East African runners have a strong aerobic base from running to school and many other aspects of their childhood that many westerners can't replicate. You don't think age appropriate physical fitness can create a foundation starting in the elementary ages?
c) Regarding an academy player schedule in Europe, break that down between the 2011-2014 age ranges please. In a few years, we will be in Europe but we do understand that this is the drop-off period. How much time does my child need to dedicate weekly and where should the time be allocated?
d) I think that the sacrifice piece is the main issue in the DMV because none of us really know how good you have to be and we are mostly a large set of successful professionals with advanced degrees. I do understand I am trying to thread the needle but I am not prepared to give up education. I have forgone private school for this kid and I am willing to forgo AP classes when the time comes which are big sacrifices for me. At the same time, I can be who you are talking to as well in this post. Anything else needed to sacrifice? I imagine he may need to go virtual in the next few years to maintain his training load and sleep/recovery schedule and I am willing to do that if he continues down the same path.
As always, I appreciate these candid discussions.
Thanks for this post. Totally reasonable questions presented in a constructive way. Thanks for that. We need more of this on the thread. Let's discuss...
Really thoughtful questions and again, I appreciate this dialogue as it is productive. And to wrap it all together and make it relevant for DCU...You have no chance of being a professional in DCUs system as it is today. .why they haven't signed a kid to the first team from the academy in over THREE YEARS.
Wow. Not the person who posted the questions, but that's a lot to digest. Seems like there is a lot of experience and knowledge on the men's side. How does this translate to the women's side? Does the same hold true in terms of development in the US versus Europe for a women's player? Training requirements, experience, etc?
The women's side is a completely different ball game. The US DOMINATED Women's football for so long and most other nations are just now starting to catch up to us (and many have caught and surpassed us). And there is almost no money in women's professional football. That has changed a lot in the last few years and of course with Trinity Rodman's new deal with the Spirit. The reality on the women's side is this...The world is catching us because the rest of the world wasn't paying attention to women's soccer when we were. We had the early lead and first mover advantage, but again we have no real history with the sport. What this means is that when the countries with real football heritage begin to take football on the women's side seriously they will leap frog our national team VERY VERY easily. This is already happening. You're seeing technically gifted players from so many nations now. The US will be outside the top 5 in the world in the next 5-10 years. And what it will boil down to is exactly the same problems that were listed in the long post before this one. DECADES of milking parents for money and low quality training produces inferior players on a global stage. The women's game has truly always been about college in the US (and the national team). Pro pathways are just starting to happen. Think about it, there are no pro academies on the women's side in the US. But in Germany, the DFB has MANDATED that ALL Bundesliga academies build a pro women's squad and this is replicated in other nations as well. Once these countries catch on that we've been resting on our laurels for so long, which again, many have already seen that, they will surpass US women's soccer so easily it will be almost comical. Just a matter of time. The system in the US isn't built to produce quality players. It is built to make money. The women's side is even more ridiculous than the mens. We have had what we consider quality players in the past because no one else was even giving a crap about women's football so if you put in some time, you were AUTOMATICALLY better than most. And because we were one of the very few nations caring about women's football for a long time, we set the standards. Now that other football rich nations are pumping money into women's football, our federation will have almost no chance. The writing is on the wall. Its just a matter of time...
Thanks for posting this and I am mostly in agreement with you. This probably should be it's own topic and not just buried in the DCU academy post. The history of Title 9 in the US absolutely drove the development of the college women's game in the US and that was the only game in town. UNC and Anson Dorrance embracing the women's game is a prime example. As you stated, it allowed the US to be first on the bus to start. The pro leagues in the US were very limited and not very successful and it wasn't a viable career to play pro women's soccer in the US until recently. And, I agree that there is so much more global talent being developed now and the fact there are no true women's academy programs in the US will be a problem as the clubs in England, France, Spain, Germany, etc start to embrace the women's game. You are starting to see that with some of the crowd's that are attending women's matches...people are caring about it much more than ever before.
While I think that there will be much more parity in the women's game in coming years, I don't see the US completing falling out and it happening as quickly as you feel. Will Spain for example truly embrace women's soccer? While they have an incredibly talented team, there's been a lot of dysfunction within the program and the women's programs at Barca for example are dealing with funding issues since they are tied to the men's program.
But, and this is my opinion based on my direct experience, there is a huge pool of players available in the women's game in the US because still for women, sports choices are fairly limited. Basketball and soccer are at the top and are drawing athletes. Now, as you said, developing those athletes into technical players is another thing How does that happen? The limited training time available for national team players at younger ages to meet is an issue. They are coming from many different environments as well with club, college and pro players being in the game group. Are their youth clubs up to the task? Probably not.
Emma Hayes coming to the US women's side, IMO, has been the best thing that could have happened though. The approach that she is taking to increase the talent pool overall is critical. Not only on the senior team, but through the younger ages as well. With financial backing of the likes of Michele Kang, that has really expanded the number of players getting exposed to the national team environment. My local club has had more women's players going to actual youth NT camps than ever before. That's a huge thing to be able to bring back that experience to the local clubs. Seeing what that is like and then exposing your teammates to that level of play only can improve everyone overall. But, I don't think that's enough as you have said - no real academies are a problem long term. While there may be the player population, is there an interest level high enough to justify the costs of establishing academies that are tied to pro teams? Maybe, just as women's programs are developing outside this US, this could happen here as well.
On the women's side, is the system perfect? No, far from it. College is still an end goal for most players. Professional options are still fairly limited, but becoming greater in both the US and abroad. Other countries are investing in their programs and I believe that the competition can only improve the US - that is if they are willing to embrace it and adapt. Thanks for your post. It's an interesting topic for me at least outside of the never ending DCU debate.
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
Prove any if what has been said wrong ..we will wait for you.
Keep trying to have your "verifiable truths" shield, It won't work. It's already failed so many times. Just give up. Like clockwork you show up and offer nothing of value. But you amuse me because I make you post. I own you.
I found him truly engaging. What's the story of what worked well and what did not when he was with DCU?
What is the focus of the new director?
He's no longer at DCU and he answered your questions on the podcast.
You have no connection to DCU, you have no kid at DCU, you won't have a son at DCU
Take your unhealthy obsession elsewhere
Dude, those are questions. Why are you so emotional over questions?
Previous Post isn't emotional
You're disingenuous and have proven through your multiple posts that you have an agenda to denigrate and disparage the academy, the players and their parents
Your 'just a question' is your repeated modus operandi for an opening for you to reel off another slew of toxicity
If you care that much about information about the academy, contact the academy or go to games and speak to academy parents. That's what people with legitimate interests do.
Make sure you gather the fathers in a group and talk the crap you've been saying here directly to their faces for additional bonus points
So…I posted the link. Not sure you are aware that you are talking to many different people. I do check this forum two times a day but not sure how you can post 4 minutes after my question if you are not refreshing constantly. That seems like an obsession.
Although I have made no statement about the kids, parents or academy in asking a genuine question, you told me “ you have no kid at DCU, you won't have a son at DCU” without knowing anything about me. Is that not the definition of toxic when you have no idea who I am or how may times my kid has been invited to DCU, Nashville, CLT, Philly or Red Bulls?
He did clearly lay out the key to the DMV producing more professional footballers and I am genuinely curious on whether he just talks well on a podcast or whether it is an unfixable problem due to the culture under this ownership. Silence is golden so I think I have my answer.
your kid has such quality that he is being sought after and actively being recruited by multiple professional mls academies but you're on an anonymous blog seeking advice from people you don't know?
Bro...they reached out to me when my kid was 10. F----ing 10. I thought it was psychotic. I did not ask for any of this. You said the same thing 100 pages ago with hater energy because your kid did not have the same requests. For the record, it does not mean s---- to have these requests early. I am actually humble in this process and understand it means nothing. Puberty is undefeated.
If I blindly just went with the clubs like many of you, my kid would fully be in the MLS system and be relegated to the MLS rules and it suppressive pay structure which keeps the MLS profitable. I respect their business acumen while deploring it as a parent of a kid in the system For a family who cannot afford $10k-$20k annually to properly train, MLS Academy is a viable pathway and they should choose it. I am fortunate to make a little bit of coin so I can afford to pay $10k - $20k in training annually for my kid to develop and then afford a visa into Europe when he hits 15-16. I only became aware of this pathway courtesy of this little anonymous message board. I have been able to verify the information on this board in real life and find the real people who execute it in real life.
My kid has not even had their first crush yet and I am supposed to leave town for a team before puberty. Maybe I am a little too rationale. I don't find missing out on a high school life or family life for virtual school out of town to end up at Old Dominion for D1 soccer an appealing pathway for my child. No knock to ODU in this example but all of my kids are on a high academic track and if my kid is not going pro, I would rather them go D3 at NYU or Ivy than D1 at any old school. Unless something changes at DCU, we will bide our time here locally until U15/U16, go against the grain and local culture and play P2P, and then I will start a business in Europe and we will see how my kid fares there. Whether he succeeds or not, I did my parental job of maximizing his chances on something with 1 in 100,000 odds.
Despite what ya'll think, if you actually read between the lines and toxicity, this forum is 100% gold for real information. We are not alone in not getting information from the MLS academies. Many of the parents in other markets have the same gripes outside of the DMV. We are fortunate to have this forum which allows people to share and express without retribution. I know I share genuine information for other parents. My kid only benefits when others in his age group get better. A rising tide lifts all boats.
Thanks for posting this, because it's an interesting take and I'm curious about this pathway. Where to start. So, you say that your son caught the scout's eye when they were 10. But you resisted and are part of the P2P system here. MLS Next or ECNL? Just curious. What caught my eye was the visa part and going to Europe to play. That's great that you are able to secure a Euro visa for your family and your son. You say visa and not passport right? Because I think that's two different things. Passports can be difficult and are easier said than done having investigated this myself for myself and children. My child plays at a high level and one of their aspirational goals was to play for their grandparents' home country national team. It looks less and less likely as time goes on as we have investigated pathways to secure entry into Europe.
Back to your child's path. What drives your thinking that you will be able to relocate to Europe, start a business and have your son catch on at a Euro academy when they are 15/16 years old? Have they had interest from European scouts at a younger age and you have demonstrated to them that you can secure a Euro visa so it simplifies the situation for them? I find it difficult to fathom that your son would be able to show up at a European club at 15/16 as an unknown commodity and walk into their program. My godson is in the middle of doing this as an older kid, but in order to play hockey in some of the euro leagues. He was able to begin the process of securing a Slovak passport due to his familial ties to the country. He's also had conversation with some of their Tier 2 hockey clubs after having played junior hockey here in the US.
I'm just curious because this pathway seems like an even bigger risk and less likely of succeeding than playing here in the US and going to a highly regarded D3 or Ivy and playing. I realize that some of my questions are pretty pointed and personal, so please understand I'm just trying to figure some of this out myself. And look, while your child's goal is not playing D1 soccer at ODU, my son has a HS friend playing there and having a blast doing it. Sure, the Sun Belt might not be your kid's dream, but it is someone else's. To each his own, right? Thanks for entertaining my questions.
1) MLS Next academy for a U12 team. Scouted at a tournament in PA.
2) Honestly, I am using visa and passport interchangeably but I know he can get registered under each route There are three potential routes: 1) Residual income visa in country A; 2) Residency passport via grandparent in country B; 3) My firm has an office that I can use to launch a business via in country C (learned from another American). I actually read the FIFA rules posted in this thread and began networking. THERE ARE ALOT OF AMERICANS OVER THERE and they have the attorneys that can explain the pitfalls of people who don’t prepare. Many don’t prepare properly and can’t register their players. Some jumped too early before the kid is mentally ready. You will be hearing about many of them over the next 2 World Cup cycles.
3) My kid is not an unknown commodity. My kid has played overseas in two of the countries already and we are going to the 3rd and 4th later this year and next spring. We are visiting next year with American dual-citizens whose kid has already received an offer from a Bundesliga academy. Our kids are similarly skilled and he is taking us simply to trial and see how competitive and aggressive their style of play is. The guy brokering it has a kid in a Bundesliga academy on a USYNT. Nevertheless, my kid trials with clubs annually and we are not afraid of landing where he lands and working his way through where ever that is.
4) Whether my kid goes or not, he focuses on his studies intensely because I told him in order for me to allow him to go to an academy I have to trust he can be self-sufficient. It is still a few years away and I know Stanford currently has an amazing online high school and I imagine more offerings will come available in time. I remind him that Lewandowski earned his Masters degree while playing professionally so that is the expectation.
5) I think most of us have seen most of the kids in our age group. I know where my kid is relative to his peers. It changes annually but as long as my kid focused on his journey and IDP, he will be okay. Most of our top kids are professional academy-level overseas. DCU serves DC, NOVA, B-More, Richmond, Delaware and a portion of WV which could be 6 different markets overseas. We are much further spread out and they are working from a much more condensed talent pool. The key is staying in striking distance through U15/U16. We don’t typically keep pace from the U12 years through U15/U16 so we will keep going overseas annually and getting feedback on our game. We get quarterly feedback from my kids game tape and adjust his IDP based on what he needs to improve.
All of those players who take are D1 spots become coaches here and they all have connections. I imagine someone will get paid if my kid lands in an academy but that is not my business.
6) No worries on the questions and I don’t take it personal. These are not easy decisions or an easy process but it is my son’s goal so I am simply doing my best to help him achieve it. I ask a lot of questions and listen well. I really am grateful for this thread and willing to share as others have done for me.
7) Yes, to each his own. I don’t mean to disparage anyone’s dream but I don’t think people are paying attention to the end product when going through this path. I went to a nothing college and made something out of myself so I think anyone can make it no matter where they go.
Max Dowman and Lamine Yamal are the outliers out of 7-8 billion people. If a kid really wants to follow their dream, they may have to work hard for 4-10 years after hitting puberty just to break into a first team. That’s closer to reality and if my son wants that path, I am going to support it. It is a lot more interesting than my path. Even if he never makes it, he is already bilingual and working to be trilingual in pursuit of his goal. The habits for simply preparing to make a move are stronger than most kids his age.
I think I answered all of the questions.
As the one who asked the questions, thank you for your detailed response. Your son is very fortunate that he has a family that is in a position where they can travel to Europe annually for training and development. That's not a reality for many players. And at U12 as well. Good luck with your journey. It will be a wild ride, I'm sure.
Thanks. Here is the fun part of all of this. This is my first time on this board today. Somebody posted as me and tweedle dee is doing his usual hater thing without tweedle dumb. Funny how he knows the precise transfer rules as a novice who does not believe any of our little Messi's are exceptional and capable of making it pro. Odd. Nevertheless, you don't have be in my position. Here are a few suggestions to maximize your kids development:
1) I know alot of kids in academies around the country identified through Id2, ODP and major tournaments not affiliated with MLS Next. People are always watching. Academies like Nashville and NE have residential options because they don't have a dense talent pool like us. Nashville has picked up several DMV kids recently and the fact they are sitting on top of the eastern conference right now after just 5 years of existence means people should pay attention to them and their academy. I was shocked at how open Philly was about how they are circumventing the DCU territory rules. You will notice that the other MLS clubs are actively poaching this area but they know how much talent is here. That is a route I would take if not going to Europe. Would you really want to be with other parents who don't believe their kids have a shot? That is rule #1 of how not to do anything. If I cited every person who failed at running a firm like mine, I never would have started.
2) Patrick literally said on the podcast that our DMV talent pool is so rich, it did not need the special programs that NE Revolution needs. I personally believe we should produce 3-5 professionals per age group. That is how deep the talent pool is here in comparison to European academies. Ignorance goes away when you actually see it. Our kids are good. However, we don't have the confidence. We don't have the coaching. We don't have anyone to lead us. SYC current talent pools are stacked and if they don't produce 3 pro's out of their 2011-2014 groups then we will really know it is a coaching and development problem. What is disappointing about the discourse in this thread is that criticism about DCU is NEVER ABOUT THE KIDS. The kids in the academy and about 25-50 outside of the academy are awesome. The emperor has no clothes and does not know how to nurture the deep talent pool he inherits annually. False8 is the only entity speaking belief in these kids while having them spend 1.5 hours a day on 8-step combinations that they will never use in a game (smh and another topic). We simply need leadership on the fundamentals that translate to the professional game.
3) Christian Pulisic used Ekkonno for his soccer IQ and film review to update his tactics. I don't use them but there are several other companies that do film review from an international perspective and Ekkonno still does. You don't need to fly across the pond to get independent advice on what your kid needs to work on.
4) Develop an IDP. No club has a personal blueprint to develop your child that I have found in the DMV. It is up to you, the parent. If you take a long-term approach, I am confident more kids would make it. Making it in soccer is bigger than a paycheck. The mindset of a professional soccer player is so strong that it can translate to any field in business or civics after your kids playing days are over. I only have one kid with this goal in soccer and my other kids goals are infinitely easier to game plan for and achieve.
I stated this before in this thread but Athletic Bilbao fields an entire La Liga 1st team that has never been relegated in the history of La Liga from a population base of 2m people. DC, MD and VA, excluding Delaware and West Virginia, is about 15m people. With all of the investment people make in this area, we really can't produce more with almost 8x the population?! I don't buy that.
On number 2 in the PP above...I personally think that most Americans don't really understand what talent in football truly is because we don't have the knowledge or education in the sport in this country. It is our biggest downfall as a nation in football. We can't consistently identify the right talent. Americans look at a game and see someone do some fancy moves 1v1, run really really hard, sprint really fast, work really really hard and think those kids are ballers. I'm not saying this is you, but I'm saying it is a lot of what I see from American parents and alot of what DCU recruits. They don't even understand what good looks like. If you don't know what good looks like, how can you possibly understand the standard by which your son needs to be developed INTO A PRO? This is the fundamental problem with the DMV football system and most importantly DCU. A lot of ignorant parents who just don't understand what it takes to become a professional because if they did, they would know right away, without hesitation that DCU will not achieve that goal in any way. Not in its current form. And most parents judge soccer talent in the younger ages which is really unfortunate because the younger ages are basically irrelevant. 2011-2014 age groups are u15 and UNDER. Bro, these kids are barely playing real football. They can't produce enough power and speed yet to even come close to what a real football game will look like at 18 and not to mention, most, if not all of them will fall off the map once puberty is done. They will be in two camps, early bloomers who peaked too early or not athletic enough to cut it once real speed and athleticism takes over a massive part of the game in the US. The third element would be just technical mastery. But the reality is that most kids in the DMV who are flooding the system come from some sort of wealth. What that usually translates to is that they don't have the same grind mentality to really perfect their craft. Why most players in the DMV peak at about 15-16. In the younger years they have the most time to work on their game. As they get older, the free time lessens, and they actually practice THEIR (not the team's) game very little.
3-5 pro players per age group could be achievable if we had better coaching at the younger ages. We just don't have that. But the reality is that the DMV talent pool isn't what it used to be. I'm sorry to break that to you. Look at the youth national teams. Very little representation from the DMV and 10-15 years ago there were many DMV players ON the actual national teams not in regional camps. American players are much more brave with the ball than European players at young ages and they play with less fear. But what is obvious when you put those same American players in a sophisticated system, they have absolutely no idea what they are doing. They don't understand formations and what they mean defensively and offensively, they don't understand how to move off the ball (just what to do when they have it), the decision making is usually very questionable because they aren't taught the decision making fundamental, the passing accuracy of American players is way off (you can see this even in our own national team) and when the game speeds up and you're playing max two touches...its over. And maybe most importantly, and the PP said this too, they don't have game speed translatable skills. The pace of play in the US is just FAR slower than Europe especially defensively.
The DMV football ecosystem that was once great sold itself to the all mighty dollar and our talent pool took a massive hit. Now everything is about making money. Literally everything. You think going to group sessions at NextStar will make a kid a pro??? NO chance. You're doing what everyone else is doing at that point. Running hills and around the track at 9?? Dumb. Your 9 year old has no real muscles to develop and you're putting stress on a developing body for no real reason. at 16-17 different story. Cone drills that don't translate to the game...Death to a player as he gets older. Head down syndrome and less dynamic moves for the big field because the cone drills program the player to keep the ball super tight. But in most positions you need to be able to keep it tight AND create BIG moves into open space with dynamic movements. Here is the truth, most coaches who actually do know what it takes to be a pro won't actually tell the parents because they know that most, if not all of them, won't sacrifice that much of their kids lives for the sport. So they keep them thinking this is what it takes to get their money knowing that your little Jimmy has probably no chance not because they don't have some talent, but because they will never be able to keep up with players that are grinding much harder around the world. Most parents in the DMV and America are always hedging, and trying to do it all. You can't do that if you want to be a pro in football. You have to be all in or all out. There is no half way. Parents in the DMV are educated enough and know the statistics well enough not to put all of their eggs into a football basket so what you have is a lot players masquerading as wanting to be pros but the reality is that they are on a college trajectory because that is what DMV soccer is about. This is the player DCU caters to and why they have no legit pros out of the academy in the last 3-4 YEARS. Look up the schedule of a top academy player in Europe and compare that to a player in DCU's system. It is just not a fair fight. The DCU kids have no chance.
The DMV could be much better because we have a large football population that spends money. But the reality is that most of that money is spent keeping up with the Joneses, not trying to legitimately produce a professional player. Because a legitimate pro prospect would leave the DMV as soon as the opportunity presented itself.
I do agree that we need more leadership and guidance. But that means stripping these pay to play clubs of their strangle hold on the youth system at the younger ages and actually teaching the kids to really play. Not just win games which is what the system is programmed to do. Pay to play clubs won't give up their control easily. This coupled with the fact that DCU is a broke and inept club when it comes to the academy is why they don't have younger ages in their system. Pay to play can't compete with free.
Ok old man. A lot of meat on this bone to get through. Thank you again. I think you're correct in your overall assessment. However, while I am a novice parent, I have seen Kevin Parades cook in the Bundesliga (when not hurt) so I know it is possible to play in a top 5 league from the DMV. A few questions:
a) Pace of play and soccer IQ is the number one factor I hear that we lag behind our international counterparts. How do we train speed of play and soccer IQ outside of the clubs? I know it is not the same being here versus Europe but the best I can do until we leave.
b) Questions regarding Next Star and physical fitness. I am a runner so I know that many East African runners have a strong aerobic base from running to school and many other aspects of their childhood that many westerners can't replicate. You don't think age appropriate physical fitness can create a foundation starting in the elementary ages?
c) Regarding an academy player schedule in Europe, break that down between the 2011-2014 age ranges please. In a few years, we will be in Europe but we do understand that this is the drop-off period. How much time does my child need to dedicate weekly and where should the time be allocated?
d) I think that the sacrifice piece is the main issue in the DMV because none of us really know how good you have to be and we are mostly a large set of successful professionals with advanced degrees. I do understand I am trying to thread the needle but I am not prepared to give up education. I have forgone private school for this kid and I am willing to forgo AP classes when the time comes which are big sacrifices for me. At the same time, I can be who you are talking to as well in this post. Anything else needed to sacrifice? I imagine he may need to go virtual in the next few years to maintain his training load and sleep/recovery schedule and I am willing to do that if he continues down the same path.
As always, I appreciate these candid discussions.
Thanks for this post. Totally reasonable questions presented in a constructive way. Thanks for that. We need more of this on the thread. Let's discuss...
Really thoughtful questions and again, I appreciate this dialogue as it is productive. And to wrap it all together and make it relevant for DCU...You have no chance of being a professional in DCUs system as it is today. .why they haven't signed a kid to the first team from the academy in over THREE YEARS.
Wow. Not the person who posted the questions, but that's a lot to digest. Seems like there is a lot of experience and knowledge on the men's side. How does this translate to the women's side? Does the same hold true in terms of development in the US versus Europe for a women's player? Training requirements, experience, etc?
The women's side is a completely different ball game. The US DOMINATED Women's football for so long and most other nations are just now starting to catch up to us (and many have caught and surpassed us). And there is almost no money in women's professional football. That has changed a lot in the last few years and of course with Trinity Rodman's new deal with the Spirit. The reality on the women's side is this...The world is catching us because the rest of the world wasn't paying attention to women's soccer when we were. We had the early lead and first mover advantage, but again we have no real history with the sport. What this means is that when the countries with real football heritage begin to take football on the women's side seriously they will leap frog our national team VERY VERY easily. This is already happening. You're seeing technically gifted players from so many nations now. The US will be outside the top 5 in the world in the next 5-10 years. And what it will boil down to is exactly the same problems that were listed in the long post before this one. DECADES of milking parents for money and low quality training produces inferior players on a global stage. The women's game has truly always been about college in the US (and the national team). Pro pathways are just starting to happen. Think about it, there are no pro academies on the women's side in the US. But in Germany, the DFB has MANDATED that ALL Bundesliga academies build a pro women's squad and this is replicated in other nations as well. Once these countries catch on that we've been resting on our laurels for so long, which again, many have already seen that, they will surpass US women's soccer so easily it will be almost comical. Just a matter of time. The system in the US isn't built to produce quality players. It is built to make money. The women's side is even more ridiculous than the mens. We have had what we consider quality players in the past because no one else was even giving a crap about women's football so if you put in some time, you were AUTOMATICALLY better than most. And because we were one of the very few nations caring about women's football for a long time, we set the standards. Now that other football rich nations are pumping money into women's football, our federation will have almost no chance. The writing is on the wall. Its just a matter of time...
Thanks for posting this and I am mostly in agreement with you. This probably should be it's own topic and not just buried in the DCU academy post. The history of Title 9 in the US absolutely drove the development of the college women's game in the US and that was the only game in town. UNC and Anson Dorrance embracing the women's game is a prime example. As you stated, it allowed the US to be first on the bus to start. The pro leagues in the US were very limited and not very successful and it wasn't a viable career to play pro women's soccer in the US until recently. And, I agree that there is so much more global talent being developed now and the fact there are no true women's academy programs in the US will be a problem as the clubs in England, France, Spain, Germany, etc start to embrace the women's game. You are starting to see that with some of the crowd's that are attending women's matches...people are caring about it much more than ever before.
While I think that there will be much more parity in the women's game in coming years, I don't see the US completing falling out and it happening as quickly as you feel. Will Spain for example truly embrace women's soccer? While they have an incredibly talented team, there's been a lot of dysfunction within the program and the women's programs at Barca for example are dealing with funding issues since they are tied to the men's program.
But, and this is my opinion based on my direct experience, there is a huge pool of players available in the women's game in the US because still for women, sports choices are fairly limited. Basketball and soccer are at the top and are drawing athletes. Now, as you said, developing those athletes into technical players is another thing How does that happen? The limited training time available for national team players at younger ages to meet is an issue. They are coming from many different environments as well with club, college and pro players being in the game group. Are their youth clubs up to the task? Probably not.
Emma Hayes coming to the US women's side, IMO, has been the best thing that could have happened though. The approach that she is taking to increase the talent pool overall is critical. Not only on the senior team, but through the younger ages as well. With financial backing of the likes of Michele Kang, that has really expanded the number of players getting exposed to the national team environment. My local club has had more women's players going to actual youth NT camps than ever before. That's a huge thing to be able to bring back that experience to the local clubs. Seeing what that is like and then exposing your teammates to that level of play only can improve everyone overall. But, I don't think that's enough as you have said - no real academies are a problem long term. While there may be the player population, is there an interest level high enough to justify the costs of establishing academies that are tied to pro teams? Maybe, just as women's programs are developing outside this US, this could happen here as well.
On the women's side, is the system perfect? No, far from it. College is still an end goal for most players. Professional options are still fairly limited, but becoming greater in both the US and abroad. Other countries are investing in their programs and I believe that the competition can only improve the US - that is if they are willing to embrace it and adapt. Thanks for your post. It's an interesting topic for me at least outside of the never ending DCU debate.
Well reasoned and thoughtful post. Agree with you.
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
Prove any if what has been said wrong ..we will wait for you.
Keep trying to have your "verifiable truths" shield, It won't work. It's already failed so many times. Just give up. Like clockwork you show up and offer nothing of value. But you amuse me because I make you post. I own you.
So in your mature way, you're responding to the PP request for any evidence to backup your allegations by saying you won the argument because you don't have any, but because they asked you for evidence you're a winner?
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
I agree with your sentiment and if this is the DCU intern I appreciate this new tone. I feel like we can actually be productive. To that end, DCU is not alone in their obfuscation. Other MLS academies have very little information as well. We simply happen to be close to two academies that do well in communicating and have several academy products in the USMNT and USYNT teams so that magnifies what DCU is not doing.
Here is something that we need to change. There is no audited data and the MLS is not forthcoming with any data which I surmise is intentional at this point. So, in the absence of audited data or a double-blind study in information we share, we do have to rely on piecemeal information. It is not helpful to attack the information in the absence of some audited and verified info from the MLS. That has not stopped us parents from wanting more information amid numerous attempts to try to suppress it over 1.5 years and almost 300 pages of posts. The reason I trust the old man is because his anonymous, unverified information holds up to what I find in real life.
Most of you have forgotten more about youth soccer than I have learned as a novice. However, sometimes a fresh look from an outsider helps. Here is the problem I learned on my first trip overseas.
We are competitive at the younger ages but it tails off once we hit U15+. I saw it from the groups we went with. That’s when I began asking why? No international academy truly knows how to identify talent early but the US has a particular problem of being competitive early and then losing ground majorily after U15. Look at Cavan Sullivan versus any of the kids in Europe making an impact at 16-18 years of age at Liverpool, PSG, Arsenal and Bayern. From the people I have spoken with, the cause is an accumulation effect in the foundation phase. We don’t have enough problem solving. Problem solving involves mistakes and losses which is antithetical to our “Just win baby” club youth system.
I was fortunate enough to start with a club people make fun of. Those coaches and the development methodology puts our current big club to shame but they don’t win because the kids give up cheap goals while learning. Back in the day, I imagine the coaching and talent was consolidated. Now, it is diluted and organizations chase wins which is actually antithetical to someone living it. The big clubs rely on their big names that were earned in an entirely different environment. What does this have to do with DCU?
I know what is it like for people to look at you and expect you to spend money just because of perception. However, DCU has the power to control our youth scene without spending extra money. Since Patrick spent time at Clairefontaine, I imagine they have the answers within the walls and simply don’t care or don’t have the imagination. Here are a few ways DCU can completely change the landscape:
RDS: I don’t really know what the actual numbers are but if you can run the program at cost versus profit, we all win. Cap the program at 20-30 kids per age group per location with 30-40% on scholarship and able to attend for free. The rest will subsidize the cost. I promise you, someone like me will pay for my kid to be in the building with the top 30 kids in MoCo (for example) if he is not in the top 10-12 based solely on merit. Heck, I might still fund because I need my kid to be with the most savage kids to bring out the best in him. You don’t get that behind paywalls in Loudoun County. Spend the extra money on a quality coach to run it. The current RDS coaches I am familiar with are 💩. I don’t know them all but there are better options if you don’t take a cost savings approach. I know one of the top kids an age group down from my son had to train 3 years up in RDS to get challenged. That family has not done the research I had done to know it is a waste of time but families are researching for answers in the foundation phase and DCU can lead the charge since you should have more information than just us parents. Heck, run an all RDS tournament with MoCo vs DC vs Alexandria, etc. Parents would thirst to be a part of that. The sponsorships would probably make it profitable.
Local Futsal/Free Play: USSF and Target have done the heavy lifting in our area. I am not sure what is happening out in Loudoun, but there are probably 40+ futsal courts that are frequently unused inside and directly outside of the Beltway in Alexandria, Arlington, PG, DC and MoCo. There are also dozens of unused elementary and middle school gyms with parents craving for their kids to have an activity so they don’t have to pick them up. There are some incredible futsal coaches in the area who don’t have the talent. Most of the major futsal clubs are run by hacks that we tolerate because we have no other viable options. Run a futsal program like Philly but at cost with free play and clinics sponsored by local businesses in the jurisdictions. Kids stay local, get qualified instruction, learn how to develop creativity, which is sorely lacking from the American player. Kids will compete without scoreboards and other things that parents screw up. If DCU runs it, parents will fall in line. The scoreboards are what is screwing things up. Give coaches a bonus for kids accepted into the academy. Incentivize development versus wins.
Right now, BSC has built a faculty, Arlington has built a 1/2 of a facility and Coppermine is building a real facility. There are another 2-3 organizations who have approached me about investing in development schools while retaining sell-on fees as compensation down the road. I have no idea how all of that works yet. The private market is so robust locally because DCU is not paying attention to the goldmine which is our local talent pool. There will be local wealthy kids who can make it. However, they can only achieve their maximum potential if they are pushed by a kid who does not attend Landon and has no AP classes in his future. The potential will be realized in this area whether it is via private means, whether DCU ownership wakes up from their slumber or sells to someone who recognizes the goldmine we are sitting on.
I am not sure what is taking place at DCU post 15+ plus but they appear to be fleecing B-More out of a real estate deal (I would do the same thing) and if they actually have a pathway to a legit 2nd team, that would solve 95% of the development problems they experience because most kids are not ready at 18 to break into the first team. Beyond that, I am pretty sure Patrick and the new director have the knowledge IF the institution itself is amenable to change.
I am giving you this blueprint, DCU intern, because I don’t think you have the chutzpah to execute on a solvable problem. I hope you prove me wrong for our kids sake. If not, the private market will fix it for you but we will still be more fragmented than if the emperor actually had clothes.
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
I agree with your sentiment and if this is the DCU intern I appreciate this new tone. I feel like we can actually be productive. To that end, DCU is not alone in their obfuscation. Other MLS academies have very little information as well. We simply happen to be close to two academies that do well in communicating and have several academy products in the USMNT and USYNT teams so that magnifies what DCU is not doing.
Here is something that we need to change. There is no audited data and the MLS is not forthcoming with any data which I surmise is intentional at this point. So, in the absence of audited data or a double-blind study in information we share, we do have to rely on piecemeal information. It is not helpful to attack the information in the absence of some audited and verified info from the MLS. That has not stopped us parents from wanting more information amid numerous attempts to try to suppress it over 1.5 years and almost 300 pages of posts. The reason I trust the old man is because his anonymous, unverified information holds up to what I find in real life.
Most of you have forgotten more about youth soccer than I have learned as a novice. However, sometimes a fresh look from an outsider helps. Here is the problem I learned on my first trip overseas.
We are competitive at the younger ages but it tails off once we hit U15+. I saw it from the groups we went with. That’s when I began asking why? No international academy truly knows how to identify talent early but the US has a particular problem of being competitive early and then losing ground majorily after U15. Look at Cavan Sullivan versus any of the kids in Europe making an impact at 16-18 years of age at Liverpool, PSG, Arsenal and Bayern. From the people I have spoken with, the cause is an accumulation effect in the foundation phase. We don’t have enough problem solving. Problem solving involves mistakes and losses which is antithetical to our “Just win baby” club youth system.
I was fortunate enough to start with a club people make fun of. Those coaches and the development methodology puts our current big club to shame but they don’t win because the kids give up cheap goals while learning. Back in the day, I imagine the coaching and talent was consolidated. Now, it is diluted and organizations chase wins which is actually antithetical to someone living it. The big clubs rely on their big names that were earned in an entirely different environment. What does this have to do with DCU?
I know what is it like for people to look at you and expect you to spend money just because of perception. However, DCU has the power to control our youth scene without spending extra money. Since Patrick spent time at Clairefontaine, I imagine they have the answers within the walls and simply don’t care or don’t have the imagination. Here are a few ways DCU can completely change the landscape:
RDS: I don’t really know what the actual numbers are but if you can run the program at cost versus profit, we all win. Cap the program at 20-30 kids per age group per location with 30-40% on scholarship and able to attend for free. The rest will subsidize the cost. I promise you, someone like me will pay for my kid to be in the building with the top 30 kids in MoCo (for example) if he is not in the top 10-12 based solely on merit. Heck, I might still fund because I need my kid to be with the most savage kids to bring out the best in him. You don’t get that behind paywalls in Loudoun County. Spend the extra money on a quality coach to run it. The current RDS coaches I am familiar with are 💩. I don’t know them all but there are better options if you don’t take a cost savings approach. I know one of the top kids an age group down from my son had to train 3 years up in RDS to get challenged. That family has not done the research I had done to know it is a waste of time but families are researching for answers in the foundation phase and DCU can lead the charge since you should have more information than just us parents. Heck, run an all RDS tournament with MoCo vs DC vs Alexandria, etc. Parents would thirst to be a part of that. The sponsorships would probably make it profitable.
Local Futsal/Free Play: USSF and Target have done the heavy lifting in our area. I am not sure what is happening out in Loudoun, but there are probably 40+ futsal courts that are frequently unused inside and directly outside of the Beltway in Alexandria, Arlington, PG, DC and MoCo. There are also dozens of unused elementary and middle school gyms with parents craving for their kids to have an activity so they don’t have to pick them up. There are some incredible futsal coaches in the area who don’t have the talent. Most of the major futsal clubs are run by hacks that we tolerate because we have no other viable options. Run a futsal program like Philly but at cost with free play and clinics sponsored by local businesses in the jurisdictions. Kids stay local, get qualified instruction, learn how to develop creativity, which is sorely lacking from the American player. Kids will compete without scoreboards and other things that parents screw up. If DCU runs it, parents will fall in line. The scoreboards are what is screwing things up. Give coaches a bonus for kids accepted into the academy. Incentivize development versus wins.
Right now, BSC has built a faculty, Arlington has built a 1/2 of a facility and Coppermine is building a real facility. There are another 2-3 organizations who have approached me about investing in development schools while retaining sell-on fees as compensation down the road. I have no idea how all of that works yet. The private market is so robust locally because DCU is not paying attention to the goldmine which is our local talent pool. There will be local wealthy kids who can make it. However, they can only achieve their maximum potential if they are pushed by a kid who does not attend Landon and has no AP classes in his future. The potential will be realized in this area whether it is via private means, whether DCU ownership wakes up from their slumber or sells to someone who recognizes the goldmine we are sitting on.
I am not sure what is taking place at DCU post 15+ plus but they appear to be fleecing B-More out of a real estate deal (I would do the same thing) and if they actually have a pathway to a legit 2nd team, that would solve 95% of the development problems they experience because most kids are not ready at 18 to break into the first team. Beyond that, I am pretty sure Patrick and the new director have the knowledge IF the institution itself is amenable to change.
I am giving you this blueprint, DCU intern, because I don’t think you have the chutzpah to execute on a solvable problem. I hope you prove me wrong for our kids sake. If not, the private market will fix it for you but we will still be more fragmented than if the emperor actually had clothes.
Anyone have access to the abridged version of this rambling self-indulgent diatribe with all the self back patting?
I have seen MLS Next games from DCU, Armour, SYC, BSC, Achilles in the DMV. And I have identifed only ONE, ONE player that I see going pro.
I am genuinely curious to try to understand what it takes for a kid to have a chance at going pro? What makes this kid different from the other top talent in the region that you see him going pro? Talent? Athleticism? Game IQ? Work rate?
I have seen MLS Next games from DCU, Armour, SYC, BSC, Achilles in the DMV. And I have identifed only ONE, ONE player that I see going pro.
I am genuinely curious to try to understand what it takes for a kid to have a chance at going pro? What makes this kid different from the other top talent in the region that you see him going pro? Talent? Athleticism? Game IQ? Work rate?
You do realize you're asking an anonymous person and you have absolutely no clue if she or he has any soccer knowledge
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
I agree with your sentiment and if this is the DCU intern I appreciate this new tone. I feel like we can actually be productive. To that end, DCU is not alone in their obfuscation. Other MLS academies have very little information as well. We simply happen to be close to two academies that do well in communicating and have several academy products in the USMNT and USYNT teams so that magnifies what DCU is not doing.
Here is something that we need to change. There is no audited data and the MLS is not forthcoming with any data which I surmise is intentional at this point. So, in the absence of audited data or a double-blind study in information we share, we do have to rely on piecemeal information. It is not helpful to attack the information in the absence of some audited and verified info from the MLS. That has not stopped us parents from wanting more information amid numerous attempts to try to suppress it over 1.5 years and almost 300 pages of posts. The reason I trust the old man is because his anonymous, unverified information holds up to what I find in real life.
Most of you have forgotten more about youth soccer than I have learned as a novice. However, sometimes a fresh look from an outsider helps. Here is the problem I learned on my first trip overseas.
We are competitive at the younger ages but it tails off once we hit U15+. I saw it from the groups we went with. That’s when I began asking why? No international academy truly knows how to identify talent early but the US has a particular problem of being competitive early and then losing ground majorily after U15. Look at Cavan Sullivan versus any of the kids in Europe making an impact at 16-18 years of age at Liverpool, PSG, Arsenal and Bayern. From the people I have spoken with, the cause is an accumulation effect in the foundation phase. We don’t have enough problem solving. Problem solving involves mistakes and losses which is antithetical to our “Just win baby” club youth system.
I was fortunate enough to start with a club people make fun of. Those coaches and the development methodology puts our current big club to shame but they don’t win because the kids give up cheap goals while learning. Back in the day, I imagine the coaching and talent was consolidated. Now, it is diluted and organizations chase wins which is actually antithetical to someone living it. The big clubs rely on their big names that were earned in an entirely different environment. What does this have to do with DCU?
I know what is it like for people to look at you and expect you to spend money just because of perception. However, DCU has the power to control our youth scene without spending extra money. Since Patrick spent time at Clairefontaine, I imagine they have the answers within the walls and simply don’t care or don’t have the imagination. Here are a few ways DCU can completely change the landscape:
RDS: I don’t really know what the actual numbers are but if you can run the program at cost versus profit, we all win. Cap the program at 20-30 kids per age group per location with 30-40% on scholarship and able to attend for free. The rest will subsidize the cost. I promise you, someone like me will pay for my kid to be in the building with the top 30 kids in MoCo (for example) if he is not in the top 10-12 based solely on merit. Heck, I might still fund because I need my kid to be with the most savage kids to bring out the best in him. You don’t get that behind paywalls in Loudoun County. Spend the extra money on a quality coach to run it. The current RDS coaches I am familiar with are 💩. I don’t know them all but there are better options if you don’t take a cost savings approach. I know one of the top kids an age group down from my son had to train 3 years up in RDS to get challenged. That family has not done the research I had done to know it is a waste of time but families are researching for answers in the foundation phase and DCU can lead the charge since you should have more information than just us parents. Heck, run an all RDS tournament with MoCo vs DC vs Alexandria, etc. Parents would thirst to be a part of that. The sponsorships would probably make it profitable.
Local Futsal/Free Play: USSF and Target have done the heavy lifting in our area. I am not sure what is happening out in Loudoun, but there are probably 40+ futsal courts that are frequently unused inside and directly outside of the Beltway in Alexandria, Arlington, PG, DC and MoCo. There are also dozens of unused elementary and middle school gyms with parents craving for their kids to have an activity so they don’t have to pick them up. There are some incredible futsal coaches in the area who don’t have the talent. Most of the major futsal clubs are run by hacks that we tolerate because we have no other viable options. Run a futsal program like Philly but at cost with free play and clinics sponsored by local businesses in the jurisdictions. Kids stay local, get qualified instruction, learn how to develop creativity, which is sorely lacking from the American player. Kids will compete without scoreboards and other things that parents screw up. If DCU runs it, parents will fall in line. The scoreboards are what is screwing things up. Give coaches a bonus for kids accepted into the academy. Incentivize development versus wins.
Right now, BSC has built a faculty, Arlington has built a 1/2 of a facility and Coppermine is building a real facility. There are another 2-3 organizations who have approached me about investing in development schools while retaining sell-on fees as compensation down the road. I have no idea how all of that works yet. The private market is so robust locally because DCU is not paying attention to the goldmine which is our local talent pool. There will be local wealthy kids who can make it. However, they can only achieve their maximum potential if they are pushed by a kid who does not attend Landon and has no AP classes in his future. The potential will be realized in this area whether it is via private means, whether DCU ownership wakes up from their slumber or sells to someone who recognizes the goldmine we are sitting on.
I am not sure what is taking place at DCU post 15+ plus but they appear to be fleecing B-More out of a real estate deal (I would do the same thing) and if they actually have a pathway to a legit 2nd team, that would solve 95% of the development problems they experience because most kids are not ready at 18 to break into the first team. Beyond that, I am pretty sure Patrick and the new director have the knowledge IF the institution itself is amenable to change.
I am giving you this blueprint, DCU intern, because I don’t think you have the chutzpah to execute on a solvable problem. I hope you prove me wrong for our kids sake. If not, the private market will fix it for you but we will still be more fragmented than if the emperor actually had clothes.
Why doesn't this qualified, experienced, knowledgeable, successful, acknowledged soccer expert post under his real recognized industry respected name so we can all understand where the knowledge is coming from?
Write articles under your recognized expertise name handle and post somewhere so the masses can benefit.
Then you can put the links here as well
Other experts happily author articles and make informational videos under their name
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
I am not sure what is taking place at DCU post 15+ plus but they appear to be fleecing B-More out of a real estate deal (I would do the same thing) and if they actually have a pathway to a legit 2nd team, that would solve 95% of the development problems they experience because most kids are not ready at 18 to break into the first team. Beyond that, I am pretty sure Patrick and the new director have the knowledge IF the institution itself is amenable to change.
I am giving you this blueprint, DCU intern, because I don’t think you have the chutzpah to execute on a solvable problem. I hope you prove me wrong for our kids sake. If not, the private market will fix it for you but we will still be more fragmented than if the emperor actually had clothes.
Wow. That was long, but I agree with the need for a 2nd team wholeheartedly. It's been posted numerous times, but the lack of a MLS Next Pro team is completely unacceptable. But, one thing that I need some help on is who is this mystical Patrick that is referred to numerous times in this post? There have been a variety of Patrick associated with DCU over the years, but I'm not sure of this one. Anyone want to enlighten the group?
Anonymous wrote:In reading all of this it makes me curious with the restructuring of DC United are there any positives at all about your kid joining. How would they be successful in this system?
Very few positives to be honest. Just go through this thread and you'll see what I mean. Success depends on your definition of success. If you want to be a pro, like a real pro, you cannot be successful at this in DCU's system. It is almost impossible. Impossible in a lot of environments, is what detractors will say, but even less possible in a crap environment like DCUs. You're starting your trajectory already behind. DCU is no different than a local pay to play club and pay to play clubs have better data and rate of college acceptances. It is what it is.
The only thing I would love to see going along with this statement to add true value is actual real numbers for comparison between MLS academies
I find a higher recruitment and acceptance to colleges from local pay-to-play over the professional academy a hard pill to swallow without proof
Would add, its either impossible or not.
Since there are players currently professional who are from DCU, then its obviously not impossible.
Making exaggerated and unverifiable and untruthful comments ruin the value of the thread when you can simply provide what's real and true to support your argument
I am not sure what is taking place at DCU post 15+ plus but they appear to be fleecing B-More out of a real estate deal (I would do the same thing) and if they actually have a pathway to a legit 2nd team, that would solve 95% of the development problems they experience because most kids are not ready at 18 to break into the first team. Beyond that, I am pretty sure Patrick and the new director have the knowledge IF the institution itself is amenable to change.
I am giving you this blueprint, DCU intern, because I don’t think you have the chutzpah to execute on a solvable problem. I hope you prove me wrong for our kids sake. If not, the private market will fix it for you but we will still be more fragmented than if the emperor actually had clothes.
Wow. That was long, but I agree with the need for a 2nd team wholeheartedly. It's been posted numerous times, but the lack of a MLS Next Pro team is completely unacceptable. But, one thing that I need some help on is who is this mystical Patrick that is referred to numerous times in this post? There have been a variety of Patrick associated with DCU over the years, but I'm not sure of this one. Anyone want to enlighten the group?
Am I the only one now who would like to see the data on where all the MLS Next Pro players end up after? 🤔
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