Roe v Wade struck down

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I will never support this baby murderer.

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This position won't help Trump with moderates/independents or people who generally want limited government.

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I will never support this baby murderer.

He will lose the pro lifers now. Just because it is rape or incest or IVF....it is not those embryos fault...why he is ok with aborting them? The pro lifers need to find a real pro life candidate to support.

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I will never support this baby murderer.

He will lose the pro lifers now. Just because it is rape or incest or IVF....it is not those embryos fault...why he is ok with aborting them? The pro lifers need to find a real pro life candidate to support.

Not sure Trump will lose them completely, but I’ll bet this announcement is enervating and demoralizing.

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I will never support this baby murderer.

He will lose the pro lifers now. Just because it is rape or incest or IVF....it is not those embryos fault...why he is ok with aborting them? The pro lifers need to find a real pro life candidate to support.

Prolifers are being very short-sighted about this issue. You guys are going to lose up and down the ballot if you are insistent on total abortion bans and IVF restrictions. Both positions are wildly unpopular and this will be a losing battle in most states. Only 14% of Americans think IVF should be illegal, but 20% of couples have infertility issues. More than half of Republican voters also believe IVF should be legal.

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If we wait a few more days, Candidate Trump will have changed his mind and his position again totally.

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“Pro-lifers” can grow up, get educated, and do better.
Or they can keep getting their butts kicked at the ballot box, while watching the abortion rate in the United States climb.
If they really care, they can take positions that actually support life, instead of cruelty and misogyny.

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Damage control! Anyone who falls for this is just looking for an excuse to vote for him.

Oh, and despite Alabama's new law, IVF clinics are closing in that state.

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Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

And what do you say to the mother who finds out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a catastrophic abnormally incompatible with life and does not wish to carry it to term?

What do you say to the 13 year old child whose pregnancy is first discovered at 16 weeks? You going to force her to do l&d at 9 months?

And who gets to decide when the health of the mother allows an abortion after 15 weeks? You are going to make a woman wait in agony while lawyers and judges decide her fate, rather than her doctor?

We're not saying a 15 week ban is a great idea which will leave no victims. We're saying that if the Rs had enacted a whole bunch of 15 week bans in red states, they would probably be doing much better electorally right now. A lot of people would be fine with red states having 15 week bans. I think plenty of people would have been ok with a national 15 week ban, too, so long as abortion rights were protected before 15 weeks.

Anyway, it's all moot because that isn't what Rs did, and f them anyway those woman hating monsters.

Im the original PP that said "15 weeks is ok" and this is exactly what I meant. I think if the Rs messaged, they could have had strong support for a 15 week national ban if they had an exception for the "health of the mother" and not the "life of the mother". But now they are in this ridiculous place where they are leaving doctors forcing women to the brink of death, shrugging when 13 year old children have babies, and trying to outlaw IVF, and the majority of the population does not want any of this..s They should be ashamed they do not see abortion is healthcare.

The Rs could never do this because it is fundamentally at odds with the religious beliefs that drive the anti-abortion movement. If you think an embryo is the same as a person, then the only answer is no abortions at all. And that’s what they believe.

If you think the embryo is the same as a person, then they should basically abolish anything that saves the mother's life because in their mind there's no discernible difference

I mean, yes, and that’s why we have the policies that we’re seeing in Texas and other states run by religious zealots.

+1 As displayed perfectly in this new ad.

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Damage control! Anyone who falls for this is just looking for an excuse to vote for him.

Oh, and despite Alabama's new law, IVF clinics are closing in that state.

Would you, as a fertility doctor, put all those years and that debt and those long hours on the line for only maybe getting prosecuted if you fall sufficiently afoul of the law?

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Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

And what do you say to the mother who finds out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a catastrophic abnormally incompatible with life and does not wish to carry it to term?

What do you say to the 13 year old child whose pregnancy is first discovered at 16 weeks? You going to force her to do l&d at 9 months?

And who gets to decide when the health of the mother allows an abortion after 15 weeks? You are going to make a woman wait in agony while lawyers and judges decide her fate, rather than her doctor?

We're not saying a 15 week ban is a great idea which will leave no victims. We're saying that if the Rs had enacted a whole bunch of 15 week bans in red states, they would probably be doing much better electorally right now. A lot of people would be fine with red states having 15 week bans. I think plenty of people would have been ok with a national 15 week ban, too, so long as abortion rights were protected before 15 weeks.

Anyway, it's all moot because that isn't what Rs did, and f them anyway those woman hating monsters.

Im the original PP that said "15 weeks is ok" and this is exactly what I meant. I think if the Rs messaged, they could have had strong support for a 15 week national ban if they had an exception for the "health of the mother" and not the "life of the mother". But now they are in this ridiculous place where they are leaving doctors forcing women to the brink of death, shrugging when 13 year old children have babies, and trying to outlaw IVF, and the majority of the population does not want any of this..s They should be ashamed they do not see abortion is healthcare.

The Rs could never do this because it is fundamentally at odds with the religious beliefs that drive the anti-abortion movement. If you think an embryo is the same as a person, then the only answer is no abortions at all. And that’s what they believe.

If you think the embryo is the same as a person, then they should basically abolish anything that saves the mother's life because in their mind there's no discernible difference

I mean, yes, and that’s why we have the policies that we’re seeing in Texas and other states run by religious zealots.

+1 As displayed perfectly in this new ad.

Once again, the cruelty is the point. Let’s play a game of pretend and jolly along the forced birthers, humoring them that they care about “life.” What “life” was served here, forcing a woman with a pre-viability rupture of membranes to miscarry on her own? She might be sterile now, no more “home grown” kids for Josh and Amanda. The forced birthers, in their lust to control women, destroyed this family.

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This is a great statement from Biden. A bit long, but really well done.

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Anonymous wrote:“The Dobbs decision of 15 weeks” what is he even talking about

I think he means that Dobbs would have allowed Rs to make 15 week bans, but they went too far and it's biting them in the butt. But maybe that's not what he means.

Really this whole conversation would be so different right now if Rs had in fact just put in place a bunch of 15 week bans with exceptions for life of the mother, serious fetal issues, and cases of rape and incest. I think this issue would have largely died down by now.

But I guess give it to them, they were true believers and took their shot.

The problem is that "the life of the mother" is subjective to Rs, and they feel that a lawyer should decide that rather than a doctor.

Look at the TX case.

Rs have created a death panel of lawyers.

Agree. I think the country would be ok with a 15 week ban and a "health of the mother" exception. It is otherwise impossible to know when the brink of death occurs.

And what do you say to the mother who finds out at 16 weeks that the fetus has a catastrophic abnormally incompatible with life and does not wish to carry it to term?

What do you say to the 13 year old child whose pregnancy is first discovered at 16 weeks? You going to force her to do l&d at 9 months?

And who gets to decide when the health of the mother allows an abortion after 15 weeks? You are going to make a woman wait in agony while lawyers and judges decide her fate, rather than her doctor?

We're not saying a 15 week ban is a great idea which will leave no victims. We're saying that if the Rs had enacted a whole bunch of 15 week bans in red states, they would probably be doing much better electorally right now. A lot of people would be fine with red states having 15 week bans. I think plenty of people would have been ok with a national 15 week ban, too, so long as abortion rights were protected before 15 weeks.

Anyway, it's all moot because that isn't what Rs did, and f them anyway those woman hating monsters.

Im the original PP that said "15 weeks is ok" and this is exactly what I meant. I think if the Rs messaged, they could have had strong support for a 15 week national ban if they had an exception for the "health of the mother" and not the "life of the mother". But now they are in this ridiculous place where they are leaving doctors forcing women to the brink of death, shrugging when 13 year old children have babies, and trying to outlaw IVF, and the majority of the population does not want any of this..s They should be ashamed they do not see abortion is healthcare.

The Rs could never do this because it is fundamentally at odds with the religious beliefs that drive the anti-abortion movement. If you think an embryo is the same as a person, then the only answer is no abortions at all. And that’s what they believe.

If you think the embryo is the same as a person, then they should basically abolish anything that saves the mother's life because in their mind there's no discernible difference

I mean, yes, and that’s why we have the policies that we’re seeing in Texas and other states run by religious zealots.

+1 As displayed perfectly in this new ad.

I absolutely hate what that woman and her family went through, but I am glad Democrats are able to use her story to tell the truth. Killing women instead of administering immediate care in a situation like this is disgusting.