private schools that do not use affirmative action

[Anonymous]

Are there any - besides caltech i believe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there any - besides caltech i believe?

All coed schools seek gender parity. It means that boys have a greater chance of being admitted than girls because more girls apply to college than boys. I consider this to be a type of affirmative action. So, I would say that there are no coed schools that do not use affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Without giving you my thoughts on affirmative action and without knowing exactly what you mean, I think you may be approaching this the wrong way.

If you are looking for a certain student population profile then search for schools based on that.

As PP said, affirmative action programs take many forms. Some would say that Legacy programs are "affrimative action."

GL

[Anonymous]

Look at the demographics of the top schools in California.

http://opa.berkeley.edu/uc-berkeley-fall-enrollment-data

Find a private school with similar demographics and you've found a school that doesn't use affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

MIT

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Anonymous wrote:MIT

From MIT's website:
Affirmative Action
In undergraduate recruitment and selection, MIT looks at each application holistically, taking account of many different factors that have shaped a student's experience, including his or her racial, ethnic, social, economic and educational context. We believe it is crucial for the successful future of our world to educate people from every walk of life.

You may be interested in this blog post by former Director of Minority Recruitment David duKor-Jackson on the subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MIT

I work with some MIT grads. MIT clearly uses affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MIT

I work with some MIT grads. MIT clearly uses affirmative action.

How can you be sure they didn't get in on their credentials?

[Anonymous]

Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

True. The farm boy from Nebraska from a little known high school of 100 could fall under that category also.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

True. The farm boy from Nebraska from a little known high school of 100 could fall under that category also.

Exactly. Affirmative action helps many people. At schools with a STEM focus, women of any color may benefit. At a small liberal arts school, men of any color may benefit. At wealthy schools with lots of financial aid to give and an interest in providing opportunities to underprivileged students, applicants from poor families--of any color--may have an advantage over others. At "need-aware" schools with small endowments, applicants from wealthy families who can pony up full tuition will be chosen over financial-aid-seeking students with similar credentials. At many schools, athletes and children of alums--again white as well as non-white--get second and third looks that other applicants with similar credentials will not.

Colleges and universities can build their student bodies any way they see fit. If they feel their campus environments are improved by having a gender balance or by increasing the racial/economic diversity or or by having lots of students who can pay the bills or by having great football players, they are free to do so. It is naive to think there is any school anywhere that is not doing this to some extent. Even in states that prohibit race-based affirmative action, universities still make decisions based on apparent financial need, high school attended, essays, activities, etc., that give them clues about students' backgrounds. Even schools that admitted solely on the basis of SAT scores would have to find some way to choose among the dozens/hundreds/thousands of students who apply with identical SAT scores.

OP, what are you looking for? Because looking for a school that doesn't practice affirmative action is a waste of time and might not be what you want even if you could find it. File this one under: be careful what you wish for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

True. The farm boy from Nebraska from a little known high school of 100 could fall under that category also.

Possible, but not likely. Affirmative action could be color blind, but in practice it is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

True. The farm boy from Nebraska from a little known high school of 100 could fall under that category also.

Possible, but not likely. Affirmative action could be color blind, but in practice it is not.

You might find this article of interest that refutes, or at least, gives argument to your comment from a farm boy who benefitted. The writer (Pulitzer Prize winner) makes some interesting observations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/24/opinion/a-boy-and-his-benefits.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

True. The farm boy from Nebraska from a little known high school of 100 could fall under that category also.

Exactly. Affirmative action helps many people. At schools with a STEM focus, women of any color may benefit. At a small liberal arts school, men of any color may benefit. At wealthy schools with lots of financial aid to give and an interest in providing opportunities to underprivileged students, applicants from poor families--of any color--may have an advantage over others. At "need-aware" schools with small endowments, applicants from wealthy families who can pony up full tuition will be chosen over financial-aid-seeking students with similar credentials. At many schools, athletes and children of alums--again white as well as non-white--get second and third looks that other applicants with similar credentials will not.

Colleges and universities can build their student bodies any way they see fit. If they feel their campus environments are improved by having a gender balance or by increasing the racial/economic diversity or or by having lots of students who can pay the bills or by having great football players, they are free to do so. It is naive to think there is any school anywhere that is not doing this to some extent. Even in states that prohibit race-based affirmative action, universities still make decisions based on apparent financial need, high school attended, essays, activities, etc., that give them clues about students' backgrounds. Even schools that admitted solely on the basis of SAT scores would have to find some way to choose among the dozens/hundreds/thousands of students who apply with identical SAT scores.

OP, what are you looking for? Because looking for a school that doesn't practice affirmative action is a waste of time and might not be what you want even if you could find it. File this one under: be careful what you wish for.

Well said. (And I'm the person who posted about gender parity resulting in affirmative action for males).

[Anonymous]

Affirmative action does not mean that admitted students do not have "credentials." It means that a college looks at more than just test scores and GPA in the admissions process.

This is true. Every private college uses some sort of affirmative action to balance their student body and advance the mission of the institution. No college merely skims the highest test scores and GPAs of every applicant.

It is also a mistake to assume that affirmative action only relates to race or SES. There are many other soft factors in admissions that are considered forms of affirmative action.