Teacher exposes the craptastic decline iof MCPS in Reddit rant

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Here is a meta-analysis on the effect of parental involvement in students' education that might be of interest.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=04fef9140113dcf9ce3f5024d05cebc7904f5e12

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a meta-analysis on the effect of parental involvement in students' education that might be of interest.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=04fef9140113dcf9ce3f5024d05cebc7904f5e12

The school system still offers many great opportunities for kids to get a first-class education, but fewer families value this today than in years past. They need to better focus on meeting students where they are and helping them reach their goals.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, teens know that they can still earn A’s when they skip classes. There’s zero school consequence as long as their work gets turned in (can be late- no problem). I can punish at home, but it would be so much easier to have a partnership with the school where our priorities are aligned. Natural consequences would be about grades and/or loss of credit. Not losing a phone. I want to get my child ready for college away from me, and MCPS’s policies actually make that more challenging.

P.s. Are you going to follow your child to college and give consequences there, too?

You can sit there and complain or move your kid to a school that has actual rules and consequences just like the real world. Public schools are working on equity so I gave up on them. Equity won’t help students in the real world. They show up to work late, they get tired. They continue to turn in work late, they get fired. Switch your kid now so they will learn how the real work works.

"Equity" = maga red meat!

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Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

yup, I thought my kid was doing great in HS as she came home with A's in pre-calc. Ends up she went to MC and had to retake Algebra because she actually didn't learn a thing.(and one get's no credit for college Algebra, yet they have to pay tuition for it!...how can that thinking even align with values of equity!?)

I am totally clueless as to how she into pre-calc let alone got A's???

cool story, bros

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think enough criticism or scrutiny is being aimed at MSDE. Some of these idiotic policies are being driven by equally idiotic demands, audits, arbitrary metrics, etc. from the bureaucrats in Annapolis.

yup, just check out the latest House Bill which further gets rid of part of the MD Education Code regarding class behavior. Those students who hang in the hallways missing class, can now hang in the classroom instead doing whatever it is they do all day besides learn. https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2024RS/bills/hb/hb0615f.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1iaM76rX0dI-kcjsgZBpjKIMGlDa_kXp5ExGWQG43gR9mtwm8IZgHUyqM

Success in public school, much like success in most of life, depends mostly on parenting. Kids who hang in hallways missing class have parents who likely were also hanging in hallways missing class. Failures breed failures.

Please stop blaming parents. If my kid isn’t in class- should I quit my job and walk them to and from? Of course not. Im going to address it at home of course, but there’s very little I can do while they are in school. I don’t control the environment in the schools. We need to give schools the ability to give detentions/suspensions/etc over things like this. The kids know they can get away with it at school- which just undermines my ability to parent my child. So stop blaming us.

If my kid didn't go to class and I was informed of it, that would be the last time it happened. You are a lazy parent if you think you influence ends at the front door.

So big gut, I mean guy tell us exactly what you would do if they refused to go?

DP but seriously! Is this a real question as a parent?
You mean to tell us that if your kids "refused to go" to school, you will just let them?
My goodness!

By middle school, some kids are larger than their parents. What would you do if physically resisted? Call the police?

If they are resisting, something more is going on at that age and you need to start with a mental health evaluation and a school change.

The do nothing attitude is why kids behave like this. There are no consequences.

Exactly. If by middle school your child is a physical threat to you, you need other intervention.

If your child is more typically developing, you have to set the boundaries and hold them.

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Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

yup, I thought my kid was doing great in HS as she came home with A's in pre-calc. Ends up she went to MC and had to retake Algebra because she actually didn't learn a thing.(and one get's no credit for college Algebra, yet they have to pay tuition for it!...how can that thinking even align with values of equity!?)

I am totally clueless as to how she into pre-calc let alone got A's???

Sounds like a teacher/school problem. My kid is taking Precalc at a "ganglandia" school and the teacher is tough. My daughter has good study habits and has a high B in that class- the teacher definitely doesn't just give As away.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think enough criticism or scrutiny is being aimed at MSDE. Some of these idiotic policies are being driven by equally idiotic demands, audits, arbitrary metrics, etc. from the bureaucrats in Annapolis.

yup, just check out the latest House Bill which further gets rid of part of the MD Education Code regarding class behavior. Those students who hang in the hallways missing class, can now hang in the classroom instead doing whatever it is they do all day besides learn. https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2024RS/bills/hb/hb0615f.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1iaM76rX0dI-kcjsgZBpjKIMGlDa_kXp5ExGWQG43gR9mtwm8IZgHUyqM

Success in public school, much like success in most of life, depends mostly on parenting. Kids who hang in hallways missing class have parents who likely were also hanging in hallways missing class. Failures breed failures.

Please stop blaming parents. If my kid isn’t in class- should I quit my job and walk them to and from? Of course not. Im going to address it at home of course, but there’s very little I can do while they are in school. I don’t control the environment in the schools. We need to give schools the ability to give detentions/suspensions/etc over things like this. The kids know they can get away with it at school- which just undermines my ability to parent my child. So stop blaming us.

If my kid didn't go to class and I was informed of it, that would be the last time it happened. You are a lazy parent if you think you influence ends at the front door.

So big gut, I mean guy tell us exactly what you would do if they refused to go?

DP but seriously! Is this a real question as a parent?
You mean to tell us that if your kids "refused to go" to school, you will just let them?
My goodness!

By middle school, some kids are larger than their parents. What would you do if physically resisted? Call the police?

If they are resisting, something more is going on at that age and you need to start with a mental health evaluation and a school change.

The do nothing attitude is why kids behave like this. There are no consequences.

At our school they've been applying RJ to help resolve these issues. It's been very effective when done correctly.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, teens know that they can still earn A’s when they skip classes. There’s zero school consequence as long as their work gets turned in (can be late- no problem). I can punish at home, but it would be so much easier to have a partnership with the school where our priorities are aligned. Natural consequences would be about grades and/or loss of credit. Not losing a phone. I want to get my child ready for college away from me, and MCPS’s policies actually make that more challenging.

P.s. Are you going to follow your child to college and give consequences there, too?

You can sit there and complain or move your kid to a school that has actual rules and consequences just like the real world. Public schools are working on equity so I gave up on them. Equity won’t help students in the real world. They show up to work late, they get tired. They continue to turn in work late, they get fired. Switch your kid now so they will learn how the real work works.

I get the sense they're more interested in optics than actual equity that's why they focus more on dumbing down standards then raising up struggling students.

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Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

yup, I thought my kid was doing great in HS as she came home with A's in pre-calc. Ends up she went to MC and had to retake Algebra because she actually didn't learn a thing.(and one get's no credit for college Algebra, yet they have to pay tuition for it!...how can that thinking even align with values of equity!?)

I am totally clueless as to how she into pre-calc let alone got A's???

You are going to start hearing stories like this more and more as equity takes stronger hold in public schools and the covid learning loss impact starts to really rear its ugly head. Private school is the only way out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

yup, I thought my kid was doing great in HS as she came home with A's in pre-calc. Ends up she went to MC and had to retake Algebra because she actually didn't learn a thing.(and one get's no credit for college Algebra, yet they have to pay tuition for it!...how can that thinking even align with values of equity!?)

I am totally clueless as to how she into pre-calc let alone got A's???

You are going to start hearing stories like this more and more as equity takes stronger hold in public schools and the covid learning loss impact starts to really rear its ugly head. Private school is the only way out.

It is curious that after COVID, my younger child never got into reading groups in ES like my older child had several years earlier. Apparently now only kids that are below grade level get reading support.

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Anonymous wrote:I missed this thread when it was originally posted and the Reddit post sounds about right. It is shocking how irresponsible mcps leadership is and how unconcerned they are about actual student learning.

I have to disagree. MCPS today seems as good as it ever was in terms of opportunity. I feel my kids today are getting a better education at our DCC school than I did at a W 30 years ago. The main difference is the county's demographics are different which largely impacts standardized test averages. My kids had a chance to go to CES, Eastern and RMIB. They're doing great because they are focused on getting the best possible education available. Today, fewer students value traditional education, and that's fine.

Better how? All I see is the school replacing enlightenment values with leftist ideology.

My experience suggests you're uninformed. Yes, the curriculum does take a broader view of the world than when I was a kid and is less Euro-centric, but that's hardly leftist. In fact, it seems better informed. Anyway, their overall grasp of mathematics, reading comprehension and foreign language skills are several years ahead of where I was at. I graduated from a W and went on to an Ivy back in the 90s. My children are far better prepared for college than I was.

You're either not aware or perhaps you just agree with what they're teaching. But the MCPS curriculum is steeped in the oppression narrative.

Completely agree. Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

Your kid took 5 years of Spanish but couldn’t understand it And neither of you knew this before they got to college??? How exactly is that possible. Did your student never listen, read or try to speak Spanish outside of class? Let’s try this again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think enough criticism or scrutiny is being aimed at MSDE. Some of these idiotic policies are being driven by equally idiotic demands, audits, arbitrary metrics, etc. from the bureaucrats in Annapolis.

yup, just check out the latest House Bill which further gets rid of part of the MD Education Code regarding class behavior. Those students who hang in the hallways missing class, can now hang in the classroom instead doing whatever it is they do all day besides learn. https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2024RS/bills/hb/hb0615f.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1iaM76rX0dI-kcjsgZBpjKIMGlDa_kXp5ExGWQG43gR9mtwm8IZgHUyqM

Success in public school, much like success in most of life, depends mostly on parenting. Kids who hang in hallways missing class have parents who likely were also hanging in hallways missing class. Failures breed failures.

Please stop blaming parents. If my kid isn’t in class- should I quit my job and walk them to and from? Of course not. Im going to address it at home of course, but there’s very little I can do while they are in school. I don’t control the environment in the schools. We need to give schools the ability to give detentions/suspensions/etc over things like this. The kids know they can get away with it at school- which just undermines my ability to parent my child. So stop blaming us.

If my kid didn't go to class and I was informed of it, that would be the last time it happened. You are a lazy parent if you think you influence ends at the front door.

So big gut, I mean guy tell us exactly what you would do if they refused to go?

DP but seriously! Is this a real question as a parent?
You mean to tell us that if your kids "refused to go" to school, you will just let them?
My goodness!

By middle school, some kids are larger than their parents. What would you do if physically resisted? Call the police?

If I needed to yes. But more than likely the person calling the police would be by child who would be afraid of the divine wrath I would rain down on them should the need ever arise. We don’t get to that point because behavior, respect, boundaries, and a healthy dose of fear were established when they were little.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I missed this thread when it was originally posted and the Reddit post sounds about right. It is shocking how irresponsible mcps leadership is and how unconcerned they are about actual student learning.

I have to disagree. MCPS today seems as good as it ever was in terms of opportunity. I feel my kids today are getting a better education at our DCC school than I did at a W 30 years ago. The main difference is the county's demographics are different which largely impacts standardized test averages. My kids had a chance to go to CES, Eastern and RMIB. They're doing great because they are focused on getting the best possible education available. Today, fewer students value traditional education, and that's fine.

Better how? All I see is the school replacing enlightenment values with leftist ideology.

My experience suggests you're uninformed. Yes, the curriculum does take a broader view of the world than when I was a kid and is less Euro-centric, but that's hardly leftist. In fact, it seems better informed. Anyway, their overall grasp of mathematics, reading comprehension and foreign language skills are several years ahead of where I was at. I graduated from a W and went on to an Ivy back in the 90s. My children are far better prepared for college than I was.

You're either not aware or perhaps you just agree with what they're teaching. But the MCPS curriculum is steeped in the oppression narrative.

Completely agree. Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

Your kid took 5 years of Spanish but couldn’t understand it And neither of you knew this before they got to college??? How exactly is that possible. Did your student never listen, read or try to speak Spanish outside of class? Let’s try this again.

HS tends to focus more on written Spanish than spoken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I missed this thread when it was originally posted and the Reddit post sounds about right. It is shocking how irresponsible mcps leadership is and how unconcerned they are about actual student learning.

I have to disagree. MCPS today seems as good as it ever was in terms of opportunity. I feel my kids today are getting a better education at our DCC school than I did at a W 30 years ago. The main difference is the county's demographics are different which largely impacts standardized test averages. My kids had a chance to go to CES, Eastern and RMIB. They're doing great because they are focused on getting the best possible education available. Today, fewer students value traditional education, and that's fine.

Better how? All I see is the school replacing enlightenment values with leftist ideology.

My experience suggests you're uninformed. Yes, the curriculum does take a broader view of the world than when I was a kid and is less Euro-centric, but that's hardly leftist. In fact, it seems better informed. Anyway, their overall grasp of mathematics, reading comprehension and foreign language skills are several years ahead of where I was at. I graduated from a W and went on to an Ivy back in the 90s. My children are far better prepared for college than I was.

You're either not aware or perhaps you just agree with what they're teaching. But the MCPS curriculum is steeped in the oppression narrative.

Completely agree. Also, my kid was not very prepared for college, and couldn’t understand a bit of Spanish after 5 years of the language. The first semester of college was a rude awakening.

Your kid took 5 years of Spanish but couldn’t understand it And neither of you knew this before they got to college??? How exactly is that possible. Did your student never listen, read or try to speak Spanish outside of class? Let’s try this again.

+1 about world language classes and how much students can actually understand it after 5+ years. You have to either speak that language in your home, have close family friends who speak with your child, tutor etc.

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What does the BOE plan to do about this then?