Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

I agree with this. This is where I have a hard time with the very pro-Baldoni crowd. Even if you only read HIS complaint, there is stuff he admits to doing that I'm like "wtf." I don't consider myself pro-Lively so much as in favor of letting the litigation hopefully reveal the truth, which I think is likely somewhere between their two narratives. But I have some serious side eye for both of them on some of their behavior, including Baldoni and Heath for sure. And actually, that's why I feel like we need to wait for more info, hear from 3rd parties, etc. Because it's clear to me that they did some stuff that I personally think is inappropriate but are now trying to justify it. Even if what they did doesn't rise to the legal level of sexual harassment, I have questions.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

I agree with this. This is where I have a hard time with the very pro-Baldoni crowd. Even if you only read HIS complaint, there is stuff he admits to doing that I'm like "wtf." I don't consider myself pro-Lively so much as in favor of letting the litigation hopefully reveal the truth, which I think is likely somewhere between their two narratives. But I have some serious side eye for both of them on some of their behavior, including Baldoni and Heath for sure. And actually, that's why I feel like we need to wait for more info, hear from 3rd parties, etc. Because it's clear to me that they did some stuff that I personally think is inappropriate but are now trying to justify it. Even if what they did doesn't rise to the legal level of sexual harassment, I have questions.

You go ahead and wait. I’ve seen enough to know that BL is a liar and her husband is an egomaniac.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

You are so right esp. that.

And would women? If I were a woman in Hollywood I wouldn't want to work with the girl who weaponized MeToo. Her husband is going to have to toss her a few vanity projects.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

I agree with this. This is where I have a hard time with the very pro-Baldoni crowd. Even if you only read HIS complaint, there is stuff he admits to doing that I'm like "wtf." I don't consider myself pro-Lively so much as in favor of letting the litigation hopefully reveal the truth, which I think is likely somewhere between their two narratives. But I have some serious side eye for both of them on some of their behavior, including Baldoni and Heath for sure. And actually, that's why I feel like we need to wait for more info, hear from 3rd parties, etc. Because it's clear to me that they did some stuff that I personally think is inappropriate but are now trying to justify it. Even if what they did doesn't rise to the legal level of sexual harassment, I have questions.

I'm with you. I tend to think she is a diva, he did some inappropriate things that were not best practice but maybe not sexual harassment, she raised issues partially because she was uncomfortable and partially for leverage, he couldn't control her "creative input" so she just kept going and going and every time he thought he would finally get her to sign her damned contract by giving in to her crazy demands she was just like "no" and demanded more and more, and he was also legitimately concerned that some of the stuff on set that made her "uncomfortable" was going to cause very bad optics for him because while blown out of proportion it probably wasn't completely made up either. And then there were several instances of both of them upping the ante. If she hadn't cut him out of promotional stuff, he probably wouldn't have hired the crisis PR. If he hadn't hired the crisis PR, she probably wouldn't have gone to the NYT with her complaint. And if she hadn't done that, he wouldn't be counter-suing her and releasing all this tea that makes her look like a joke (the texts, the videos). And she's probably going to do something big next that will make it even worse for him (maybe there really are other complaints, who knows). There's so many twists and turns. I can't truly root for either of them, but there will be times when I feel compelled to defend one or the other on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

I agree with this. This is where I have a hard time with the very pro-Baldoni crowd. Even if you only read HIS complaint, there is stuff he admits to doing that I'm like "wtf." I don't consider myself pro-Lively so much as in favor of letting the litigation hopefully reveal the truth, which I think is likely somewhere between their two narratives. But I have some serious side eye for both of them on some of their behavior, including Baldoni and Heath for sure. And actually, that's why I feel like we need to wait for more info, hear from 3rd parties, etc. Because it's clear to me that they did some stuff that I personally think is inappropriate but are now trying to justify it. Even if what they did doesn't rise to the legal level of sexual harassment, I have questions.

I'm with you. I tend to think she is a diva, he did some inappropriate things that were not best practice but maybe not sexual harassment, she raised issues partially because she was uncomfortable and partially for leverage, he couldn't control her "creative input" so she just kept going and going and every time he thought he would finally get her to sign her damned contract by giving in to her crazy demands she was just like "no" and demanded more and more, and he was also legitimately concerned that some of the stuff on set that made her "uncomfortable" was going to cause very bad optics for him because while blown out of proportion it probably wasn't completely made up either. And then there were several instances of both of them upping the ante. If she hadn't cut him out of promotional stuff, he probably wouldn't have hired the crisis PR. If he hadn't hired the crisis PR, she probably wouldn't have gone to the NYT with her complaint. And if she hadn't done that, he wouldn't be counter-suing her and releasing all this tea that makes her look like a joke (the texts, the videos). And she's probably going to do something big next that will make it even worse for him (maybe there really are other complaints, who knows). There's so many twists and turns. I can't truly root for either of them, but there will be times when I feel compelled to defend one or the other on this thread.

Yeah, I've been defending Lively in here but I do basically agree with all of this. They both overreached and could have avoided many of the problems they are encountering by putting on the breaks a little and not acting so aggressively when the other one did something they didn't like.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

Agree to an extent. What really is getting to people though, is Blake Lively and Ryan for that matter, aren’t exceptional actors, they’re not good enough to warrant this diva behavior. Ironically, you don’t see the truly brilliant actors pulling this. I think people feel for Justin because he was a relatively unknown. Blake and Ryan hold the power here.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

You are moving the goal post. Justin is not the perfect victim for sure. He probably could’ve done better on that set. But to say that he deserved to have his whole career trashed and his reputation in the toilet forever so that Blake and Ryan could get another high grossing movie under their belt is insane. And you know it, you just have nothing left so you’re just going to keep posting about random slightly inappropriate behavior that was really not that bad and probably tame compared to what happens on most sets.

I didn't move the goalposts, I responded to a PP who said, literally word for word, "He didn't do anything to her let's get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go." I'm responding to PP who is literally comparing Justin Baldoni to Robert De Niro, so in all fairness I really don't think I'm the one moving the goalposts here, but in any case I suspect we're just not going to agree.

You are nitpicking. Simply nitpicking about minor offenses when Ryan and Blake literally threw a bomb into this man’s house.

Funny thing is, it doesn’t even matter. Even if Blake and Ryan win this lawsuit, they will never be seen in the same light again. 10 years from now, people are still going to be saying “hi kaleesi!” in Blake’s social media posts. She’s never going to live that down.

No more double date nights with Taylor either lol. she burned that bridge by dragging her into the drama.

And I’d be shocked if she ever did a movie that Ryan doesn’t produce. Men are going to be very wary of working with her.

They did not literally throw a bomb under his house? What?

What is it you think they did that is so much worse than what he is alleged to have done. I genuinely don't understand.

NP. Obviously she didn’t mean literally but we all get it, and agree. Ryan and Blake went nuclear and then BL ran to play the victim. No one’s buying it

See, I feel JB is playing the victim. He makes it sound like he had no agency in any of this. That anything he might have done wrong was just a misunderstanding, and that everything bad that happened was the result if malice on the other side. I don't buy it.

I wonder if all of us who can “buy it”have had firsthand experiences with narcissistic people. I’m not saying she’s a narcissist or that he is innocent —I’m just wondering where the deep divide stems from. I have been on the wrong end of offending a narcissist (or some similar personality disorder), and it’s truly terrifying how they can turn on you and actually believe they are the victim. It takes a minute for you to catch up! Your first instinct is that you are misunderstood, so you try even harder, but they just feed off of it and then they think you are weak. And then while they’re busy being evil to you, they will work that much harder to make others love them. I can imagine that happened here. It’s possible it didn’t.

I'm PP and I find them both to have narcissistic tendencies. I think Baldoni has a tendency towards vulnerable narcissism (where he is constantly sympathy seeking and using his supposed deficiencies or challenges as an excuse for never being accountable and always being the center of attention). Lively strikes me as someone with Main Character Syndrome, though I suspect that's very common in Hollywood.

This makes a lot of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh

If you look at her allegations and honestly think that he did "zero inappropriate stuff," then we just see the case very differently and will not be able to agree on much at all.

I agree with this. This is where I have a hard time with the very pro-Baldoni crowd. Even if you only read HIS complaint, there is stuff he admits to doing that I'm like "wtf." I don't consider myself pro-Lively so much as in favor of letting the litigation hopefully reveal the truth, which I think is likely somewhere between their two narratives. But I have some serious side eye for both of them on some of their behavior, including Baldoni and Heath for sure. And actually, that's why I feel like we need to wait for more info, hear from 3rd parties, etc. Because it's clear to me that they did some stuff that I personally think is inappropriate but are now trying to justify it. Even if what they did doesn't rise to the legal level of sexual harassment, I have questions.

I'm with you. I tend to think she is a diva, he did some inappropriate things that were not best practice but maybe not sexual harassment, she raised issues partially because she was uncomfortable and partially for leverage, he couldn't control her "creative input" so she just kept going and going and every time he thought he would finally get her to sign her damned contract by giving in to her crazy demands she was just like "no" and demanded more and more, and he was also legitimately concerned that some of the stuff on set that made her "uncomfortable" was going to cause very bad optics for him because while blown out of proportion it probably wasn't completely made up either. And then there were several instances of both of them upping the ante. If she hadn't cut him out of promotional stuff, he probably wouldn't have hired the crisis PR. If he hadn't hired the crisis PR, she probably wouldn't have gone to the NYT with her complaint. And if she hadn't done that, he wouldn't be counter-suing her and releasing all this tea that makes her look like a joke (the texts, the videos). And she's probably going to do something big next that will make it even worse for him (maybe there really are other complaints, who knows). There's so many twists and turns. I can't truly root for either of them, but there will be times when I feel compelled to defend one or the other on this thread.

Yeah, I've been defending Lively in here but I do basically agree with all of this. They both overreached and could have avoided many of the problems they are encountering by putting on the breaks a little and not acting so aggressively when the other one did something they didn't like.

I think he reached a breaking point - if you read the timeline, he was pretty calm throughout all of her demands during the year plus preproduction, filming, the strike, the rest of filming in post production - I was actually surprised with the nature of how he dealt with editors and other producers. But at some point, you’re just going to reach a breaking point.

Anyone in their right mind would have a hired a crisis PR firm, and yes folks they are all sleazy. This is the real world. But I don’t believe for a minute anyone in the same situation on this thread wouldn’t do the exact damn thing.

And some of you are very naïve about what happens on a movie set. They are all dysfunctional. It’s not a typical work place.