Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:It just doesn’t add up to me that all of a sudden he’s making all these women uncomfortable, yet he has had no complaints before working on all these-female-centered shows (in fact, the opposite). He just decided to one day wake up and harass one of the most powerful people in Hollywood. He also was very careful to keep all these records and documents (trainings, call sheets, etc) yet she claims he kept a “chaotic and disorganized” set. She also claims he tried to take credit for her work on the movie, and that she downplayed her work on it, when we’ve seen with our own eyes her taking credit all over the place. She just lies, and I can’t get past it. I’m going to need to see some hard proof to change my mind. And I’m done arguing with misogyny poster. You win—I’m a misogynist! Enjoy fighting with other posters about the birth scene.

The prior movies he directed were teen flicks and didn't involve the kind of nudity he was insisting on here. in Five Feet Apart, the kids actually had to stay five feet apart from one another or they ran the risk of killing one another, except for one scene where the boy gives the girl mouth to mouth resuscitation or something like that. That's it! So maybe it's not such a surprise if people he directed on his 2 previous films didn't have a serious problem with him. They were kids and there was little to no nudity. If he was so very careful than maybe he would have actually closed the set then entire time and not had extraneous monitors on as had been promised etc. etc.

You’re acting as if he directed pay per view porn where poor poor Blake Lively, who humped and faked orgasm in The Town, pretended to bone two guys in Savages. Get over yourself.

You are honestly such a scummy person to insist her claim has merit against all evidence.

Wasn’t she romantically linked to Ben during or after The Town?

[Anonymous]

I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

[Anonymous]

PP I understand your point but I also view this topic as an escape from politics and it would be great if stayed that way, no offense meant at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I were Justin, I would settle for no less than $300 million

I don’t predict such a sum of cash. Some cash, sure, but likely more-so horse trading with WME and Ari which could generate nine-figures. I think being de facto blackballed by Hollywood elites and studios is the real issue here. And I don’t know how Blake and Ryan walk this back. The only real out for Ryan is to throw his wife under the bus and blame her pathological lies and gaslighting for this entire thing. And then divorce her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

I totally do. I actually was pissed at how condescending Jeff was when he locked the initial thread and was talking about how he didn’t understand why anyone was wasting time with this or something dismissive to that effect. Don’t mean to paraphrase. But anyway, it is so much deeper than celebrity gossip.

I think it really sheds light on the ability of powerful people to try and control the narrative, the changing media landscape, and how no one has really figured it out. This just would not be happening at a time where there wasn’t social media and influencers and podcasts. And frankly, you can be really educated about this case without even looking at the legal documents because there are so many deep dive podcasts on a daily basis lol.

This is one of the things that pisses me off about what Blake did. She and her team treated the American public like we were really, really stupid. And maybe in a pre-social media landscape this would’ve worked. I really think they thought we will throw some me too language and feminism in, mix it up and blah blah blah, and they will totally eat it up and have to be on her side. And I follow a lot of feminist influencers who didn’t fall for that trap. And also, a huge crux of this case is the Ryan Reynolds of it all. And I’m sorry I’ve said it before but he’s not the feminist hero we need right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

Sure, but it also teases out an uncomfortable truth: Hollywood psychopaths have presumably been getting away with this sort of blackballing, railroading, character assassinations and intellectual heists for decades. Justin is only able to fight back and hopefully resurrect his name, reputation and career because he has a very wealthy friend — and independent social media sleuths. The rest of the victims just get steamrolled.

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Anonymous wrote:For all the pro Justin people - why do you think he suggested to the PR team early on that he should go on a tv show and talk about his neuro divergence and how his brain works differenlty and how the accusations could be explained by social awkwardness and impulsive speech?

I don't think it proves anything especially considering she was already trashing him during the shoot. If anything it shows he was about to defend himself, not attack.

Except there are plenty of texts about him wanting to attack?

To me it's defense and not attack because there was so much she said during the shoot (including new texts she released and her own texts to him) that showed she was hostile.

You don't even seem to have read the complaints as Baldoni himself referred to it as an offensive move.

You can make an offensive move in a war not initiated by you. I don't see a contradiction here.

This board is - beyond the cesspool of various reddits - the only place where I see these irrational defenses of Lively. The poster you’re addressing cannot understand how unfair her posture is- not worth your time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

Yes I do! This is why I’m rooting for Justin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Justin, I would settle for no less than $300 million

I don’t predict such a sum of cash. Some cash, sure, but likely more-so horse trading with WME and Ari which could generate nine-figures. I think being de facto blackballed by Hollywood elites and studios is the real issue here. And I don’t know how Blake and Ryan walk this back. The only real out for Ryan is to throw his wife under the bus and blame her pathological lies and gaslighting for this entire thing. And then divorce her.

Alternatively, she retracts the lawsuit, divorces him and has some sob story about it was really RR who was upset by everything and she's spent years living under his thumb in a controlling marriage. Either way, must be going great in their house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

I totally do. I actually was pissed at how condescending Jeff was when he locked the initial thread and was talking about how he didn’t understand why anyone was wasting time with this or something dismissive to that effect. Don’t mean to paraphrase. But anyway, it is so much deeper than celebrity gossip.

I think it really sheds light on the ability of powerful people to try and control the narrative, the changing media landscape, and how no one has really figured it out. This just would not be happening at a time where there wasn’t social media and influencers and podcasts. And frankly, you can be really educated about this case without even looking at the legal documents because there are so many deep dive podcasts on a daily basis lol.

This is one of the things that pisses me off about what Blake did. She and her team treated the American public like we were really, really stupid. And maybe in a pre-social media landscape this would’ve worked. I really think they thought we will throw some me too language and feminism in, mix it up and blah blah blah, and they will totally eat it up and have to be on her side. And I follow a lot of feminist influencers who didn’t fall for that trap. And also, a huge crux of this case is the Ryan Reynolds of it all. And I’m sorry I’ve said it before but he’s not the feminist hero we need right now.

Yes yes yes!! Now there is a NY Post article talking about how she is saying this has affected her kids and Ryan and she has trouble getting out of bed. She is depressed. OMG she started this!! JB is probably worried he will ever work again!! She has done interviews talking about how she likes to try to take over movies!! She was at the SNL show where Kate McKlinnon literally had her head in Woody Harrelson junk!’ Where are the complaints?? I am sure All these creative folk are more emotional than the rest of the world but let’s not forget she was trying to cancel JB!! If he hadn’t fought back he would have no shot of work again. Now she is onto next public relations campaign bringing in other people to try and create a narrative that everyone hates him. My guess is everyone is scared of her husband and their own future work. Just stop already. The more she trashes him the more I am sure she is the one who should be paying JB! That message she left in the middle of the night was crazy. His mistake was answering her and trying to placate. He seems too nice and will indulge any complaint. He should have cut this talk off and finished the movie without other input. Why is her cut the cut that is used? How did that happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were Justin, I would settle for no less than $300 million

I don’t predict such a sum of cash. Some cash, sure, but likely more-so horse trading with WME and Ari which could generate nine-figures. I think being de facto blackballed by Hollywood elites and studios is the real issue here. And I don’t know how Blake and Ryan walk this back. The only real out for Ryan is to throw his wife under the bus and blame her pathological lies and gaslighting for this entire thing. And then divorce her.

I agree with this too and I don’t think he can do this - not because he’s principled. Because he seems unusually obsessed with image even for his cohort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know many people are following this thread as an escape from national news/politics, but for me, it feels like it dovetails with what is going on in the US with billionaires/wealthy people taking advantage of the current political climate for personal gain.

So, the idea that BL/RR may face a reckoning, and the "little guy" JB may prevail, gives me a glimmer of hope (at a time that I desperately need it).

Anyone else feel the same?

Sure, but it also teases out an uncomfortable truth: Hollywood psychopaths have presumably been getting away with this sort of blackballing, railroading, character assassinations and intellectual heists for decades. Justin is only able to fight back and hopefully resurrect his name, reputation and career because he has a very wealthy friend — and independent social media sleuths. The rest of the victims just get steamrolled.

Yes, I always dreamed of working in Hollywood as a writer, but this has really shed a light on how repulsive the whole HW culture is - the "fakeness" and everything you addressed above. Instead of a "missed opportunity,' I now feel I dodged a bullet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I mean, clearly we're not going to convince one another here. Somehow this guy specifically hires the same PR firm as Amber Heard so that Lively can be decimated in the same way online -- to the extent that Baldoni wonders if the PR people are going hard enough, multiple times, except he draws the line at bots that look like bots because he doesn't want it coming back at him -- classy. This is the guy who has become some sort of cultural hero to you who you want to win $300 million. I think that's sad. *shrug*

So what should he have done? Honest question. He hired a crisis PR firm, it’s hard to believe if this were your husband or friend you wouldn’t support him doing that.

I think Hollywood PR is a nasty business for sure but she gave him no choice. She had 45 plus million followers (she’s lost a few hundred thousand recently). She leaked that she was fat shamed and worse. She banned him from the premiere, and was setting up to take over the sequel. People were starting to speculate and who could blame them? Wow, he must’ve really acted horribly onset. He must be a harasser or abuser. This is not great if you’re trying to build up your career as a producer and a director and a podcaster. And sure enough She ended up going to the meet to writer of the New York Times. And I think her PR team completely swayed the times as we have seen because they did really sloppy reporting and even if they don’t end up losing this case, a lot of people have questioned their tactics here and whether it was fair reporting.

There were texts to the PR team showing how scared he was of her. He knew more was coming and he was trying to be proactive and no one could freaking blame him. It seems like he hired the right guy with Freedman. I don’t exactly like the guy, but I think he’s been smart and how he has handled this.

He didn't sound scared to me when he was saying he didn't think the PR firm had his back enough, or when he was sending around a picture of some embattled woman saying "this is exactly the kind of thing we need" or when he was saying oh but wait let's not use bots (because that would be too obvious). He sounded like he was hiring a service to decimate someone he hated. He is not some victim for hiring this PR firm that destroyed Amber Heard's life. I don't feel sorry for him for doing that. That wasn't his only way out.

I don't agree with much of what you say above (she didn't ban him from the premier, he watched it in a different theater in the same building, walked the red carpet, etc). He made a sh!t ton of money on the film, and yet somehow the social media accounts of all the women were attacked. Maybe the lawyers should have gotten together and tried harder to work out some sort of agreement that both sides could have been happy with. Maybe he should have taken his pile of money, bit his tongue, and said something nice about Lively that was perhaps less than she originally wanted but more than he originally did, and worked it out and gone to the finish line together. And maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't ever have done some of this stuff on set in the first place. One thing he certainly should not have done is hired the same PR firm that took down Amber Heard and told them to go even harder than they were planning to, especially when he specifically agreed that he would not retaliate against Lively in the first place. That's why the NYT got involved in the first place, which is how everybody heard about this case. For that, he's the villain to me and not the victim.

He didn’t do anything to her let’s get that straight. I have heard zero inappropriate stuff including that she invited him in her trailer breast feeding and he questioned whether he should go. Was that a set up? Was the txt in the middle of the night a set up? It’s his movie and why is his name
not on it? He was also starring and is not on any of the posters? Why did he have to go to the basement at the premiere? It was crazy? His mistake was being to nice and trying to let her crazy behavior go. Can you imagine telling Robert Dinero to sit in the basement for a premiere? He would have said no it is
my movie. Sheesh