this is the only place to admit it

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Anonymous wrote:With all the problems this country has, it puzzles me that so many people who frequent DCUM, which is generally a pretty upper UMC population, are so incensed by undocumented immigrants to the point that it is THE issue they will vote on.

My brother, who is more conservative than I am, pointed out that 1) reducing illegal immigration is bending a curve, not stoppable but is reducable or increasable with various polices and incentives, rewards, consequences and 2) illegal immigration is a minor issue. If everyone had jobs, reasonably good jobs, no one would care about illegals, one way or the other. Since people are uneasy about jobs and the economy, they're pointing their finger at illegals. There are areas where illegal immigration has direct consequences and has changed cities and cultures, but DC isn't really one of them. I think my brother's explanation is the only explanation why DCUMers care so strongly about illegal immigration.

My MIL who teaches high school thinks they pull resources from our local public schools. A change she has seen more in the past 5 years or so. She thinks this directly affects school quality especially at the high school level where these kids require so many more resources than the younger kids. She is extremely liberal and voting for Hillary (not that it makes a difference) but just tells me it's a real issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't voting for Trump 4 hours ago. I am now.

It took me time too, pp. All of the negative stuff you hear people say about him, but when you listen to his own words, it's different. I wasn't planning to vote for him until a couple months ago.

Listening to his actual words coming out of his actual mouth is what ought to convince any rational person never to vote for this man.

They are just a bunch of random phrases strung together to inspire fear and raise false hopes.

raise false hopes kind of like Obama in 2008...... that change was real speicifc too

I'm an independent all politicians are full of bs

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Anonymous wrote:Why Trump?

Israel.

+1

Why Trump?

For me - Illegal immigration.

Cling to those hopes and dreams. Donald is one thing: business. Business seeks to do one thing: make maximum profit. You're silly to believe he'd do anything about millions of people who undercut the wages and workers' rights of citizens and who act as a great wedge issue for easily led people.

I look at it this way...........
Clinton has promised not to deport anyone here illegally. Based on past experience, this means it is likely we will have more illegal immigration. She has not made illegal immigration a priority. In fact, she has said part of her “first 100 days” plan is to push for immigration reform, which according to her means a path to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants here. Sorry, but I don’t believe those who break our laws should be rewarded.
On the other hand, Trump has promised to stop illegal immigration. Will he be totally successful? Probably not. But, I can feel confident that our borders will not be the sieve it will be with Clinton.

How is he going to stop illegal immigration? And what will he do with the illegals already here?

What will Clinton do? More of the same?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all the problems this country has, it puzzles me that so many people who frequent DCUM, which is generally a pretty upper UMC population, are so incensed by undocumented immigrants to the point that it is THE issue they will vote on.

My brother, who is more conservative than I am, pointed out that 1) reducing illegal immigration is bending a curve, not stoppable but is reducable or increasable with various polices and incentives, rewards, consequences and 2) illegal immigration is a minor issue. If everyone had jobs, reasonably good jobs, no one would care about illegals, one way or the other. Since people are uneasy about jobs and the economy, they're pointing their finger at illegals. There are areas where illegal immigration has direct consequences and has changed cities and cultures, but DC isn't really one of them. I think my brother's explanation is the only explanation why DCUMers care so strongly about illegal immigration.

My MIL who teaches high school thinks they pull resources from our local public schools. A change she has seen more in the past 5 years or so. She thinks this directly affects school quality especially at the high school level where these kids require so many more resources than the younger kids. She is extremely liberal and voting for Hillary (not that it makes a difference) but just tells me it's a real issue.

Not so much in DC but in Farifax County and Montgomery County the giant decifits are a direct result of increase English as a Second Language teachers due to higher illegal immigrant populations in schools. Unlike title 1 that isn't funded at the federal level. That extra money is coming from local taxpayers.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump supporters are afraid the nasty violent vulgar liberals will key their cars, egg their cars, or do something even more violent if they are vocal about their support! Especially minorities. I know this for a fact!!!

You're afraid of minorities. There's a word for that you know.

. No. She is saying that as minority she is afraid of expressing her support for Trump

You got it!! I am a minority,a female, and a Trump supporter!

Then why don't you have the courage of your convictions? No ones going to hurt you. That's not what you're afraid of. What you're afraid of is that someone will make you look stupid for your position. Maybe that should tell you something.

She doesn't because she knows it's wrong. I am no longer willing to give Trump supporters the benefit of the doubt after this week. You are not good people. And I wish you were vocal IRL, so I can avoid you. I don't need that kind of venom in my life.

Venom? Listen to yourself and all the liberals responding to this thread. You all are the hateful, judgmental ones who are calling names and hurling insults at anyone who isn't "on your side"! Acting like children, honestly.

Oh no! Are we intolerant of your intolerance? Sad!

You are very confused.

Not at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Trump?

Israel.

+1

Why Trump?

For me - Illegal immigration.

Cling to those hopes and dreams. Donald is one thing: business. Business seeks to do one thing: make maximum profit. You're silly to believe he'd do anything about millions of people who undercut the wages and workers' rights of citizens and who act as a great wedge issue for easily led people.

I look at it this way...........
Clinton has promised not to deport anyone here illegally. Based on past experience, this means it is likely we will have more illegal immigration. She has not made illegal immigration a priority. In fact, she has said part of her “first 100 days” plan is to push for immigration reform, which according to her means a path to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants here. Sorry, but I don’t believe those who break our laws should be rewarded.
On the other hand, Trump has promised to stop illegal immigration. Will he be totally successful? Probably not. But, I can feel confident that our borders will not be the sieve it will be with Clinton.

How is he going to stop illegal immigration? And what will he do with the illegals already here?

What will Clinton do? More of the same?

The PP said that's why he's voting for Trump. Keep up with the topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Trump?

Israel.

+1

Why Trump?

For me - Illegal immigration.

Cling to those hopes and dreams. Donald is one thing: business. Business seeks to do one thing: make maximum profit. You're silly to believe he'd do anything about millions of people who undercut the wages and workers' rights of citizens and who act as a great wedge issue for easily led people.

I look at it this way...........
Clinton has promised not to deport anyone here illegally. Based on past experience, this means it is likely we will have more illegal immigration. She has not made illegal immigration a priority. In fact, she has said part of her “first 100 days” plan is to push for immigration reform, which according to her means a path to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants here. Sorry, but I don’t believe those who break our laws should be rewarded.
On the other hand, Trump has promised to stop illegal immigration. Will he be totally successful? Probably not. But, I can feel confident that our borders will not be the sieve it will be with Clinton.

How is he going to stop illegal immigration? And what will he do with the illegals already here?

For one, he will better secure our borders. A wall, a fence, protection.
The fact that the Border Patrol Agents Union supports Trump speaks volumes. They know the issues. They have said repeatedly that they cannot do their jobs because of rules this administration has put in place.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/border-agent-we-might-as-well-abolish-our-immigration-laws-altogether/article/2582401
As for those already here..... not sure, but I can guarantee that they will not become citizens. Some will be sent back. Some will likely be allowed to stay. But, he won’t make it easy.
Also, I am hopeful that under Trump, “Kate’s Law” will be signed into law.

How is he going to pay for all that? And what would that wall look like?

What will happen to their jobs, their houses, their American citizen children (who are protected by the Constitution)?

How is Clinton going to make this better? Oh right, she has no plans or intentions of doing anything about it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why Trump?

Israel.

+1

Why Trump?

For me - Illegal immigration.

Cling to those hopes and dreams. Donald is one thing: business. Business seeks to do one thing: make maximum profit. You're silly to believe he'd do anything about millions of people who undercut the wages and workers' rights of citizens and who act as a great wedge issue for easily led people.

I look at it this way...........
Clinton has promised not to deport anyone here illegally. Based on past experience, this means it is likely we will have more illegal immigration. She has not made illegal immigration a priority. In fact, she has said part of her “first 100 days” plan is to push for immigration reform, which according to her means a path to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants here. Sorry, but I don’t believe those who break our laws should be rewarded.
On the other hand, Trump has promised to stop illegal immigration. Will he be totally successful? Probably not. But, I can feel confident that our borders will not be the sieve it will be with Clinton.

How is he going to stop illegal immigration? And what will he do with the illegals already here?

What will Clinton do? More of the same?

The PP said that's why he's voting for Trump. Keep up with the topic.

I'm asking YOU, wise guy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:With all the problems this country has, it puzzles me that so many people who frequent DCUM, which is generally a pretty upper UMC population, are so incensed by undocumented immigrants to the point that it is THE issue they will vote on.

My brother, who is more conservative than I am, pointed out that 1) reducing illegal immigration is bending a curve, not stoppable but is reducable or increasable with various polices and incentives, rewards, consequences and 2) illegal immigration is a minor issue. If everyone had jobs, reasonably good jobs, no one would care about illegals, one way or the other. Since people are uneasy about jobs and the economy, they're pointing their finger at illegals. There are areas where illegal immigration has direct consequences and has changed cities and cultures, but DC isn't really one of them. I think my brother's explanation is the only explanation why DCUMers care so strongly about illegal immigration.

My MIL who teaches high school thinks they pull resources from our local public schools. A change she has seen more in the past 5 years or so. She thinks this directly affects school quality especially at the high school level where these kids require so many more resources than the younger kids. She is extremely liberal and voting for Hillary (not that it makes a difference) but just tells me it's a real issue.

Not so much in DC but in Farifax County and Montgomery County the giant decifits are a direct result of increase English as a Second Language teachers due to higher illegal immigrant populations in schools. Unlike title 1 that isn't funded at the federal level. That extra money is coming from local taxpayers.

Yes, but is that what Trump or the national dialogue about illegal immigrants is talking about? And, while local school budgets are being strained by the increase in older children who need language services (and may have very little education at all), would this be a huge problem if the commerical real estate were fully leased, if the Sequestration hadn't reduced revenues in the region, if the Great Recession and the mortgage crash hadn't happened? IOW, if the counties had more money, it would be a non-issue. Since the economy is stagnant, it is an issue and a real problem for some local school districts.

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I'm voting for Trump but I'm not telling anyone. Maybe that's part of the problem. But as I see it, people who are against Trump are SOOOO against him that they can't be nice or have a normal conversation about why Trump vs. Hillary. Too many people get defensive or try to get you to change your mind. I'm all for listening to another perspective, but not at the risk of being attacked.

For what's it worth, here are the main reasons I'm voting Trump:
1) What Trump actually says vs. the media headlines/quotes taken out of context are two different things. Does he say stuff he shouldn't? Absolutely. And some of it I certainly don't agree with. But, see point 2.
2) He's not an established politician. He's new to the scene and will shake things up. I think our political system needs that. And because he isn't a politician, he's rougher around the edges. Hasn't had the media training or experience all the other candidates have.
3) He's a successful businessman. He knows how to put the right people in the right position to create a successful company/business. I see that as the job of the President.
4) And after last night's speech, he's bringing the Republican party to a more middle ground--I like that.
5) And last but not least, I agree that neither Presidential hopeful is ideal. But with Trump, at least you know where you stand. With Hillary, it's a series of lies and skirting the system. To me, she's not trustworthy.

[Anonymous]

I'm voting for Trump but I'm not telling anyone. Maybe that's part of the problem. But as I see it, people who are against Trump are SOOOO against him that they can't be nice or have a normal conversation about why Trump vs. Hillary. Too many people get defensive or try to get you to change your mind. I'm all for listening to another perspective, but not at the risk of being attacked.

For what's it worth, here are the main reasons I'm voting Trump:
1) What Trump actually says vs. the media headlines/quotes taken out of context are two different things. Does he say stuff he shouldn't? Absolutely. And some of it I certainly don't agree with. But, see point 2. A president should not be regularly saying cruel, insensitive, patently wrong things like a Twitter celeb.
2) He's not an established politician. He's new to the scene and will shake things up. I think our political system needs that. And because he isn't a politician, he's rougher around the edges. Hasn't had the media training or experience all the other candidates have. Can you name a time when an arbitrary "shaking up" by someone completely ignorant of a field and its issues has been positive?
3) He's a successful businessman. He knows how to put the right people in the right position to create a successful company/business. I see that as the job of the President. He's not a successful businessman. He doesn't pay people. He's been in bankruptcy four times. And we haven't seen his taxes to know how badly in debt he is right now.
4) And after last night's speech, he's bringing the Republican party to a more middle ground--I like that. Talking like a 1930s German fascist is "more middle ground"? If you liked what Ivanka was selling, much that is actually Hillary's platform.
5) And last but not least, I agree that neither Presidential hopeful is ideal. But with Trump, at least you know where you stand. With Hillary, it's a series of lies and skirting the system. To me, she's not trustworthy. Just for one issue: Trump has been pro-choice, right up until the last two or three years when he became anti-choice. He said women who have abortions should face jail time. Then he backed off. So which is it? Again, that's just one position of his on which he has zero ethics.

[Anonymous]

Donald Trump accepted the nomination of the Republican Party for president by appealing to, and fanning the flames of fear and resentment. It was notable for a presidential convention acceptance speech that it had so little hope, vision, or concrete examples of how Trump would advance his agenda and “Make America Great Again.” In essence he is saying, I am great so give me America. There is chaos. It’s a dangerous world. He will restore order. And he then went on to tell us just how chaotic and dangerous it is.

This is the classic theme of an authoritarian seeking to manipulate the masses by raw emotion. In his telling, the United States is violent, overrun by illegal immigrants, humiliated on the world stage and unable to get up off the mat. “The problems we face now — poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad — will last only as long as we continue relying on the same politicians who created them,” he said. Dangerous illegal immigrants are roaming free, he insists. We’ve never been this corrupt! It’s never been this dangerous! It is practically apocalyptic. Our airports are in “Third-World” shape.

The solution is not a particular set of policies, or any policies — it is him. “These are the forgotten men and women of our country. People who work hard but no longer have a voice. I am your voice,” he said. No clearer statement of the strongman — the all-knowing person whom one must trust to solve our problems — has ever been spoken by an American presidential nominee. This is the talk of 1930s fascists, tin pot dictators and snake oil salesman.

- Jennifer Rubin, conservative writer (and Ted Cruz cheerleader) for the Washington Post

Trump is essentially a reincarnation of Benito Mussolini, promising to make the trains run on time, but not willing to offer any details on how he would do so.

[Anonymous]

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Donald Trump accepted the nomination of the Republican Party for president by appealing to, and fanning the flames of fear and resentment. It was notable for a presidential convention acceptance speech that it had so little hope, vision, or concrete examples of how Trump would advance his agenda and “Make America Great Again.” In essence he is saying, I am great so give me America. There is chaos. It’s a dangerous world. He will restore order. And he then went on to tell us just how chaotic and dangerous it is.

This is the classic theme of an authoritarian seeking to manipulate the masses by raw emotion. In his telling, the United States is violent, overrun by illegal immigrants, humiliated on the world stage and unable to get up off the mat. “The problems we face now — poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad — will last only as long as we continue relying on the same politicians who created them,” he said. Dangerous illegal immigrants are roaming free, he insists. We’ve never been this corrupt! It’s never been this dangerous! It is practically apocalyptic. Our airports are in “Third-World” shape.

The solution is not a particular set of policies, or any policies — it is him. “These are the forgotten men and women of our country. People who work hard but no longer have a voice. I am your voice,” he said. No clearer statement of the strongman — the all-knowing person whom one must trust to solve our problems — has ever been spoken by an American presidential nominee. This is the talk of 1930s fascists, tin pot dictators and snake oil salesman.

- Jennifer Rubin, conservative writer (and Ted Cruz cheerleader) for the Washington Post

Trump is essentially a reincarnation of Benito Mussolini, promising to make the trains run on time, but not willing to offer any details on how he would do so.

Thank you, Ms. Rubin. Conservatives and Christians, now is the time to get off the Trump train.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Donald Trump accepted the nomination of the Republican Party for president by appealing to, and fanning the flames of fear and resentment. It was notable for a presidential convention acceptance speech that it had so little hope, vision, or concrete examples of how Trump would advance his agenda and “Make America Great Again.” In essence he is saying, I am great so give me America. There is chaos. It’s a dangerous world. He will restore order. And he then went on to tell us just how chaotic and dangerous it is.

This is the classic theme of an authoritarian seeking to manipulate the masses by raw emotion. In his telling, the United States is violent, overrun by illegal immigrants, humiliated on the world stage and unable to get up off the mat. “The problems we face now — poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad — will last only as long as we continue relying on the same politicians who created them,” he said. Dangerous illegal immigrants are roaming free, he insists. We’ve never been this corrupt! It’s never been this dangerous! It is practically apocalyptic. Our airports are in “Third-World” shape.

The solution is not a particular set of policies, or any policies — it is him. “These are the forgotten men and women of our country. People who work hard but no longer have a voice. I am your voice,” he said. No clearer statement of the strongman — the all-knowing person whom one must trust to solve our problems — has ever been spoken by an American presidential nominee. This is the talk of 1930s fascists, tin pot dictators and snake oil salesman.

- Jennifer Rubin, conservative writer (and Ted Cruz cheerleader) for the Washington Post

Trump is essentially a reincarnation of Benito Mussolini, promising to make the trains run on time, but not willing to offer any details on how he would do so.

Ouch. When I agree with Jennifer Rubin on anything...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Donald Trump accepted the nomination of the Republican Party for president by appealing to, and fanning the flames of fear and resentment. It was notable for a presidential convention acceptance speech that it had so little hope, vision, or concrete examples of how Trump would advance his agenda and “Make America Great Again.” In essence he is saying, I am great so give me America. There is chaos. It’s a dangerous world. He will restore order. And he then went on to tell us just how chaotic and dangerous it is.

This is the classic theme of an authoritarian seeking to manipulate the masses by raw emotion. In his telling, the United States is violent, overrun by illegal immigrants, humiliated on the world stage and unable to get up off the mat. “The problems we face now — poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad — will last only as long as we continue relying on the same politicians who created them,” he said. Dangerous illegal immigrants are roaming free, he insists. We’ve never been this corrupt! It’s never been this dangerous! It is practically apocalyptic. Our airports are in “Third-World” shape.

The solution is not a particular set of policies, or any policies — it is him. “These are the forgotten men and women of our country. People who work hard but no longer have a voice. I am your voice,” he said. No clearer statement of the strongman — the all-knowing person whom one must trust to solve our problems — has ever been spoken by an American presidential nominee. This is the talk of 1930s fascists, tin pot dictators and snake oil salesman.

- Jennifer Rubin, conservative writer (and Ted Cruz cheerleader) for the Washington Post

Trump is essentially a reincarnation of Benito Mussolini, promising to make the trains run on time, but not willing to offer any details on how he would do so.

Ouch. When I agree with Jennifer Rubin on anything...

I know, right? She's been hating on Trump for a long time.