Bowser Spreads the Wealth opens homeless shelters in each DC ward

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Copying behavior can go both ways. As much as model behavior can be copied, so can problem behavior be modeled by children already living there. There are studies on this too, but you are trying to ignore any negative statistics and truthful facts to get your program through.

Wrong, pp.

Newsflash: you already have disruptive little shits in your kid's school. They might not have brown skin, so maybe you haven't noticed.

Why can't you understand that you won't have hundreds of kids from the shelter in your school? Babies and toddlers don't go to school.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

They may be leading the protests (and frankly many legitimate concerns have been cited) but don't go around suggesting crazy things, like it's because of "fear of brown toddlers" - that's completely wrong and completely out of line.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Seriously do you think being there for 2 to 3 months will really make any huge impact? They won't be able to afford to stay in this new wonderful neighborhood. But have to leave after a few months and go to a more affordable less desirable neighborhood again?

Not if they develop permanent housing in the area.

Not if they secure partnerships with landlords.

Not if they pilot a study to see how families housed in that neighborhood do after 25 years (like MoCo).

Who is they? What do you mean by permanent housing? Are they planning on building public housing in Ward 3 next?

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Copying behavior can go both ways. As much as model behavior can be copied, so can problem behavior be modeled by children already living there. There are studies on this too, but you are trying to ignore any negative statistics and truthful facts to get your program through.

Wrong, pp.

Newsflash: you already have disruptive little shits in your kid's school. They might not have brown skin, so maybe you haven't noticed.

Why can't you understand that you won't have hundreds of kids from the shelter in your school? Babies and toddlers don't go to school.

Why can't you understand that babies and toddlers grow up, and there's no guarantee that the homeless families will overcome current problems and dysfunctionality - in fact many won't. Some of these families will be dependent on shelters and help for years, maybe even entire lifetimes.

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A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

So public housing as said before.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

It's only going to work in units where there are designated low-income rental units. Outside of that, landlords in many of these areas will be looking for premium dollars. I'm pretty sure rent subsidies only cover so much, and they won't be able to cover the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

So public housing as said before.

Why not crazy housing in affordable safe neighborhoods that creating public housing in wealthier neighborhoods? Seems odd. Besides crime was up in MoCo last year - rapes and murders were up.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Copying behavior can go both ways. As much as model behavior can be copied, so can problem behavior be modeled by children already living there. There are studies on this too, but you are trying to ignore any negative statistics and truthful facts to get your program through.

Wrong, pp.

Newsflash: you already have disruptive little shits in your kid's school. They might not have brown skin, so maybe you haven't noticed.

Why can't you understand that you won't have hundreds of kids from the shelter in your school? Babies and toddlers don't go to school.

Why can't you understand that babies and toddlers grow up, and there's no guarantee that the homeless families will overcome current problems and dysfunctionality - in fact many won't. Some of these families will be dependent on shelters and help for years, maybe even entire lifetimes.

Wow, you are all over the place!

Babies and toddlers will not grow up fast enough to enroll in your school if they are in this temporary family shelter. They are aiming for a two month turnover. So that's not a real issue.

Yes, breaking the cycle of poverty takes a lot. The best way to break the cycle is to permanently house these families in great neighborhoods with great schools. Then they have a chance. Data supports this...including the MoCo study.

But you seem to think the best approach is to leave them in the ghetto...so as not to offend you. Let's explore that. What does that say about you? Would you say that out loud? Would you say this to your boss? On a stage at a public forum?

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

So public housing as said before.

Why not crazy housing in affordable safe neighborhoods that creating public housing in wealthier neighborhoods? Seems odd. Besides crime was up in MoCo last year - rapes and murders were up.

You do realize that homeless FAMILIES don't rape and murder people, right?

Fear the brown toddlers!!! That should be your rallying cry.

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A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Copying behavior can go both ways. As much as model behavior can be copied, so can problem behavior be modeled by children already living there. There are studies on this too, but you are trying to ignore any negative statistics and truthful facts to get your program through.

Agree - there are both positive and negative influences. It also has a lot to do with infrastructure, logistics, planning and very robust social supports. You can't just transplant a family into yuppieville and somehow magic just happens all by itself. That's another part of the equation that's missing. Plus there's also a lot of demographic and cultural factors, for example plenty of AAs who visibly recoil at white yuppie SWPL culture and aren't at all interested in modeling that.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

So public housing as said before.

Why not crazy housing in affordable safe neighborhoods that creating public housing in wealthier neighborhoods? Seems odd. Besides crime was up in MoCo last year - rapes and murders were up.

You do realize that homeless FAMILIES don't rape and murder people, right?

Fear the brown toddlers!!! That should be your rallying cry.

A lot of bad stuff happens among the homeless. Anyone remember Relisha Rudd?

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Copying behavior can go both ways. As much as model behavior can be copied, so can problem behavior be modeled by children already living there. There are studies on this too, but you are trying to ignore any negative statistics and truthful facts to get your program through.

Wrong, pp.

Newsflash: you already have disruptive little shits in your kid's school. They might not have brown skin, so maybe you haven't noticed.

Why can't you understand that you won't have hundreds of kids from the shelter in your school? Babies and toddlers don't go to school.

Why can't you understand that babies and toddlers grow up, and there's no guarantee that the homeless families will overcome current problems and dysfunctionality - in fact many won't. Some of these families will be dependent on shelters and help for years, maybe even entire lifetimes.

Wow, you are all over the place!

Babies and toddlers will not grow up fast enough to enroll in your school if they are in this temporary family shelter. They are aiming for a two month turnover. So that's not a real issue.

Yes, breaking the cycle of poverty takes a lot. The best way to break the cycle is to permanently house these families in great neighborhoods with great schools. Then they have a chance. Data supports this...including the MoCo study.

But you seem to think the best approach is to leave them in the ghetto...so as not to offend you. Let's explore that. What does that say about you? Would you say that out loud? Would you say this to your boss? On a stage at a public forum?

http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2015/Police-Statistics-Murders-Rapes-Increased-in-Montgomery-County-in-2015/

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

You are missing an important point! They won't be able to afford that neighborhood which means they have to move again!

Reading Is Fundamental ;0)

They might get a generous rental subsidy to stay in that neighborhood...particularly if DC pilots a program and studies how these families do in a better hood (like the MoCo study).

They might engage local landlords and pilot a permanent housing rental subsidy.

They might develop transitional (unlikely) or permanent (more likely) housing in the area.

So public housing as said before.

Why not crazy housing in affordable safe neighborhoods that creating public housing in wealthier neighborhoods? Seems odd. Besides crime was up in MoCo last year - rapes and murders were up.

You do realize that homeless FAMILIES don't rape and murder people, right?

Fear the brown toddlers!!! That should be your rallying cry.

A lot of bad stuff happens among the homeless. Anyone remember Relisha Rudd?

Um, I think that's what DC is trying to avoid by placing families in a safe emergency shelter and then rapidly transitioning them to their own apartment, Dumbass.