Bowser Spreads the Wealth opens homeless shelters in each DC ward

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's pretty obvious that many if the people with concerns on this threat have a very limited understanding of and exposure to homelessness. Obviously that's great for them, since what these families are experiencing isn't something I'd wish on anyone, but it would be nice if they recognized their limitations when talking about this issue.

Children who are homeless have difficulties that are fairly unique to their situation. In school. At home. Socially. But they're still children and their parents still want what's best for them. I share the concerns about continuity for them, but I don't think the way to resolve those concerns is to scrap the whole plan.

What about all the juvenile crime ? Are those kids allowed in the shelter?

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Are you willing to reimburse folks if their property value drops? If there is theft? If their children are impacted in the schools?

Your home value will not decline unless you live next door to it...possibly. Down the street or around the corner? Not an issue.

I've explained a million times that schools won't be impacted. Apparently you can't read.

Theft? Who will steal? The mom who is busy participating in shelter programs and has a strict curfew, or her toddler?

Again: what are you really afraid of? The red herrings you keep throwing aren't real issues.

Not true - housing values are generally depressed around DC's public housing in every direction for a several-block radius, as an example of where that idea's wrong. And if you saw the behavior of some of the kids, for example on metrobus to go to school, you'd be shocked. Rude, nasty, fighting, shouting disrespectfully at the driver for no good reason - and not a damned one seems to manage to use their free bus pass as they are supposed to. Not to mention the shoplifting at the stores. CVS and other stores will often post someone at the door and only let one of them in at a time because the shoplifting is so bad.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's pretty obvious that many if the people with concerns on this threat have a very limited understanding of and exposure to homelessness. Obviously that's great for them, since what these families are experiencing isn't something I'd wish on anyone, but it would be nice if they recognized their limitations when talking about this issue.

Children who are homeless have difficulties that are fairly unique to their situation. In school. At home. Socially. But they're still children and their parents still want what's best for them. I share the concerns about continuity for them, but I don't think the way to resolve those concerns is to scrap the whole plan.

Statistics don't lie. Children in these situations often have behavioral issues and other learning issues and how can a school that is trying to create a community that is stable achieve that when children are coming in and out of the classroom all year for just months at a time and these children need extra help in getting adjusted to the curriculum? Property values will go down because one- people are concerned about living near a shelter and for two - if people know 40 families will be in and out every 2-3 months at their public school, they may not buy in that neighborhood. Schools are the first thing many people in NWDC look at unless they are going private.

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The person claiming it's all red herrings and that there will be no problems probably lives in a neighborhood far removed from any shelters or low income housing. I have zero doubt of that, because I personally see things on a nearly daily basis that strongly disagrees with the PP's suggestion that there will be no problems.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's pretty obvious that many if the people with concerns on this threat have a very limited understanding of and exposure to homelessness. Obviously that's great for them, since what these families are experiencing isn't something I'd wish on anyone, but it would be nice if they recognized their limitations when talking about this issue.

Children who are homeless have difficulties that are fairly unique to their situation. In school. At home. Socially. But they're still children and their parents still want what's best for them. I share the concerns about continuity for them, but I don't think the way to resolve those concerns is to scrap the whole plan.

Statistics don't lie. Children in these situations often have behavioral issues and other learning issues and how can a school that is trying to create a community that is stable achieve that when children are coming in and out of the classroom all year for just months at a time and these children need extra help in getting adjusted to the curriculum? Property values will go down because one- people are concerned about living near a shelter and for two - if people know 40 families will be in and out every 2-3 months at their public school, they may not buy in that neighborhood. Schools are the first thing many people in NWDC look at unless they are going private.

Babies and toddlers don't attend elementary school.

Google Laura Zelinger.

You guys have the former head of the USICH on your team...she's implementing the right models based on best practices. I know this is new and scary, but it works. You can't compare a brand new 40 unit family shelter to anything that currently exists in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Are you willing to reimburse folks if their property value drops? If there is theft? If their children are impacted in the schools?

What formula do you propose for reimbursement with respect to children impacted in the schools? What metrics are to be used? Sigh.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

i would be more supportive of their stay was longer so they could actually integrate into the community rather just be there for a pit stop.

I agree, but HUD doesn't. They only want to fund permanent housing, not transitional housing. Emergency shelters must quickly get people housed--through rapid rehousing. Hopefully this shelter will try to stably house these families in that community.

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Seriously do you think being there for 2 to 3 months will really make any huge impact? They won't be able to afford to stay in this new wonderful neighborhood. But have to leave after a few months and go to a more affordable less desirable neighborhood again?

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the wisconsin ave one will be blocked, for sure...it's right ehind the vice president's home

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Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Copying behavior can go both ways. As much as model behavior can be copied, so can problem behavior be modeled by children already living there. There are studies on this too, but you are trying to ignore any negative statistics and truthful facts to get your program through.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The faux concern on this thread is nauseating.

A lot of very legitimate questions have been raised in this thread with few answers in response other than the standard "you're a NIMBY and you don't care about the poors."

Maybe some don't, maybe some do but that still doesn't specifically address the concerns being raised. Some have pointed out that this could be as bad or worse of a debacle than DC General already is, some have pointed out that Bowser's concern may be faux and in fact more about developer cronies...

Don't be too sure about what is or isn't faux.

Can you read?!?!

Most of the faux concern/non-issues have been addressed.

You shouldn't be so rude. There at several players relying to you and not just one person as you may think. If someone feels their security is at rush, that their property value will decrease, and that their school performance will diminish, that is their opinion and are valid concerns. Stop being so judgmental!!

Typos. "Several posters" and "security is at risk"

But your home values will be fine, schools will be fine, security will be fine.

You are panicking for no good reason other than fear of the unknown.

We have homeless shelters and housing programs throughout MoCo...including (gasp) Bethesda!

Do you think home values and test scores have gone down? No.

Quick question for the critics: who are you supporting in the election? Must be a republican, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Please provide data for your adamant statementsbb

I thought I did when I stated that we have homeless shelters and housing programs in BETHESDA...ever heard of it? It's much nicer than the area we're discussing on Wisconsin, with high end housing, top notch schools, etc.

Much nicer? Check your price per square foot comps. A half-mile is much much different than one to four or five doors down. There is a reason this lot is not zoned for this type of building. There was no bidding process on this project. The purchaser of the lot wanted to build a big development, but couldn't due to zoning. Now he can. When the city stops leasing the property from him, he will convert it to apartments and will have successfully skirted the zoning laws. For those of you who say you live in the neighborhood, if you live in Glover Park, you do not. Yes, there will be support for a family shelter from the neighborhood, but only for one that zoning allows.

Sigh.

Yes, pp. We all realize that you paid a ridiculous premium to live in that part of DC...but overpaying for a hood with so-so schools just to be in DC doesn't make the area better than Bethesda. In fact, lots of people flee the city for the better schools and more kid-friendly environs of the burbs.

But let's not get sidetracked.

The point is that MoCo has done a superior job of dispersing housing programs across the county as opposed to segregating homeless people in bad areas like DC has. But Bowser has perhaps some of the best homeless experts on her team, and they are implementing a promising plan based on best practices. If you could see beyond your initial fear of the unknown and read the data, you'd understand that this makes sense and it won't impact your life, home value, or test scores. Take a deep breath...it's going to be fine.

How about you sign a document for the folks impacted, saying you will take personal responsibility if anyone is personally harmed. You willing to go there?

What exactly are you afraid of?

This will be a FAMILY shelter. The families will consist of a single mother and anywhere from 1 to 3 young children. The average mom has a baby and young child.

Why are you afraid of these families? Do you think a young mom with a baby strapped to her will mug you? Or are you more afraid of her four year old?

You do realize these women can't have men over at the shelter, right?

So we are literally just talking about a young mom who will have her hands full caring for her young children while complying with the shelter rules and program (job search, training, etc.). They won't be hanging outside on the street (against the rules). They have strict curfews.

Seriously, pp: WTF are you afraid of? Exactly how do you envision being harmed?

Folks in Ward 5 and Ward 6 seem to be protesting already. What are they afraid of?

Apparently they are afraid of toddlers with brown skin...because that's the largest group who will be living in the family shelter...briefly.

Nice try but sorry, no. Wards 5/6 happen to be majority AA, they aren't 70%+ white like Wards 2/3.

Well, apparently Ward 5/6 AA residents can be as afraid as Ward 2/3 white ones. Apparently even more afraid, given that they are leading the protests:
http://dcist.com/2016/02/housing.php

Can they not see that this is a must for all wards, to break down infamous DC General? Can you not show a bit of compassion, especially when most of those families and kids are NOT white?

I support closing DC general and creating small shelters but why all over the city and so far away from where they currently are living and enrolled in school and working?

Because all the data points towards this model. There was a great study done in MoCo where families were randomly assigned to housing in two different areas: yuppieville and crappyville. Guess what? The kids who lived in subsidized housing in yuppieville excelled, while the kids left behind in crappyville did not.

If you are attempting to break the cycle of poverty, then you need to put these families in good communities where good behavior is modeled and the kids have an opportunity to succeed.

Seriously do you think being there for 2 to 3 months will really make any huge impact? They won't be able to afford to stay in this new wonderful neighborhood. But have to leave after a few months and go to a more affordable less desirable neighborhood again?

Not if they develop permanent housing in the area.

Not if they secure partnerships with landlords.

Not if they pilot a study to see how families housed in that neighborhood do after 25 years (like MoCo).