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Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners. He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg. There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way. I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader. Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options: (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him. Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market.

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough.

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape? This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?

To respond to your question as a the PP and as a Canadian, we already accept that we will be hit hard by your egomaniac of a president. We will probably go into a recession, but we have smart people. Your country will be hit hard as well. Can’t you see that your historical allies are moving away from your country?

Yes, I can see the historical allies are moving away. I’m not bothered by it if it means that my preteen and teenage sons won’t be the future security guarantee (implicit or explicit) for those former allies.

Your sons are planning to join the army? And you'd rather they be the goosestepping "future security guarantees" for white fake-Christian nationalists who don't want other Americans to vote or live their lives in peace?

Permanently get rid of the selective service and I’ll concede your point. Otherwise, I prefer the isolationists.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners. He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg. There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way. I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader. Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options: (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him. Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market.

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough.

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape? This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?

To respond to your question as a the PP and as a Canadian, we already accept that we will be hit hard by your egomaniac of a president. We will probably go into a recession, but we have smart people. Your country will be hit hard as well. Can’t you see that your historical allies are moving away from your country?

Yes, I can see the historical allies are moving away. I’m not bothered by it if it means that my preteen and teenage sons won’t be the future security guarantee (implicit or explicit) for those former allies.

It also means Canadian/German/British/French sons and preteen sons won't be available to fight when the US is hit again. And the US has so many enemies this is inevitable.

Perhaps the answer is to stop making enemies?

As for Canadian/German/British/French sons and daughters, well, I don’t think they should be pledged for American security, either. OIF should have taught the world the lesson of following Americans in foreign wars.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners. He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg. There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way. I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader. Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options: (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him. Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market.

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough.

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape? This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?

Well we can see how you voted.

How many countries are there in the world? The US is one. It has been exceedingly easy to partner with them as they’re next door, but they’re not the only guy on the block, even if it makes it harder. It will be easier than what’s going on ATM, which is like an abusive, bullying jerk next door who takes your lawnmower and tells you that you’re worthless.

I would assume from his history, Carney has a lot of people and resources in his back pocket. He seems well liked in the world stage and has the temperament to negotiate pleasantly but with hard lines.

Canadians didn’t start this. We’d love an easy and happy relationship with the US, but - we have never been a country to back down for what is right. Carney is smart, systematic and savvy - he may give in in some places but I wouldn’t doubt when he does, he’s still working on plan B. Because that’s politics. Unfortunately, not everyone is actually playing the same game.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners. He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg. There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way. I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader. Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options: (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him. Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market.

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough.

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape? This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?

So Trump sits next to him and disrespects his country but saying they should be ours. What did you want Carney to do? I mean what's your plan? He never asked Mexico to be the 52nd state. He's actually not been messing with them other than deporting Mexicans in US out. So I do think Mexico lying low makes sense. But Canada - Trump isn't wrong suggesting how close we are - but the disrespect!

I'm not sure what you would have a country do. Just want to do everything to stick with Trump? Why? Because no other option can be as fruitful as partnering with the US? That's some serious lunacy. I wouldn't want to have anything to do with someone who treats me like shit after being my friend. Believe me, global alliances are shifting and somehow someway even if it takes 5 years of suffering, at least with their self respect intact, I guarantee you Canada will find a way out.

Even if they don't, they gave the respect of every other country likely wanting to do business with them. Don't count Carney out either - that guy is well versed in how the real world is run. There is no way you my friend are more knowledgeable than him in the field of economics. He's not just book smart either

So yeah I wouldn't worry about Canada. They are the envy of the world actually anytime Carney sits next to Trump, we Americans should all wince. Good God we look like fools! I'm an American and I wish I could move to Canada. We're all gonna suffer economically you do get that right? The reason you are suffering is the only difference. Canada did not cause this. China did not cause this. It's the US bringing this to ourselves and that will hurt us 100x more.

I’m sorry, but this is some Aaron Sorkin fantasy land stuff. You sound like an inverse MAGA voter: “the dear leader Carney will just figure it out.” Global trade is the ultimate prisoner’s dilemma. How do you get worldwide cooperation when everybody is incentivized to pursue their own self interest at the expense of others? For the past 30 years the obvious answer was that America would be the balancing account. Trump, tapping into sentiment that predates him within the American electorate, has said no more of that. The Euros tried to solve the issue with the common currency/trade zone + tight fiscal rules, but that effort mostly fell flat as their economy was left in the dust and extremely vulnerable to Russia. So how do you propose solving the world’s oldest problem beyond “where there is a will there is a way” children’s fantasies? This reminds me of that email that Donald Rumsfeld sent his staffer late at night asking why he hadn’t yet solved Middle East peace and the Israel/Palestine conflict. Good luck!

Being the envy of the world, handling yourself gracefully, playing the part doesn’t pay the bills, even if it makes people feel good. Simply wanting to find a way out of this in five years won’t do the trick either.

Really hard choices are going to have to be made by Canada, none of them particularly desirable. The goal should be to advocate for the Canadian people’s interests while preserving maximum optionality. Carney has muscularly done the former but at the expense of the latter. If you guys want to salivate over such obviously foolish leadership because it feels good to stand up to Trump, so be it. But stop trying to sell the rest of us on some West Wing baby boomer fantasy.

The one with a fantasy is Trump. The rest of the world will continue to trade and the US will go the way of Russia and North Korea. The world does fine without trading with these countries.

Please tell me who is going to run sustained trade deficits to balance global trade accounts? The entire global system is premised on America running trade and budget deficits. America could get away with it because of the dollar’s reserve currency status. Please be specific and share who can and is willing to step into that role.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

You realize Canada is friends to most places right? Location made trade with the US convenient. You realize theres a benefit to having the King on money other than design? And that the guy running the country ran banks not in this country?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners. He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg. There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way. I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader. Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options: (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him. Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market.

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough.

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape? This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?

To respond to your question as a the PP and as a Canadian, we already accept that we will be hit hard by your egomaniac of a president. We will probably go into a recession, but we have smart people. Your country will be hit hard as well. Can’t you see that your historical allies are moving away from your country?

Yes, I can see the historical allies are moving away. I’m not bothered by it if it means that my preteen and teenage sons won’t be the future security guarantee (implicit or explicit) for those former allies.

It also means Canadian/German/British/French sons and preteen sons won't be available to fight when the US is hit again. And the US has so many enemies this is inevitable.

So many enemies - and Tulsi Gabbard, Puppy Shooter Purse Loser, and Whisky Hegseth protecting us. Good luck, everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

I mean seriously. I heard someone on the radio talking about this meeting - and the interviewer asked if maybe they'd find common ground because they are both businessmen. And the person being interviewed was like, I'm not sure I'd put it like that - one of these men bankrupted a casino and the other successfully steered two economies through financial crises.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

So I guess this is where we differ: I don’t believe there are friends on the global stage. Just commonly aligned interests. Politicians answer to their respective domestic voters, not to notions of global respect and friendship. Ask the French how their friendship with the Aussies worked out on the submarine deal….

Sure, Carney is way more professionally successful than me… I guess you are saying that invalidates/diminishes my opinions? By the same token, Trump has had way more professional success than you…so I guess that invalidates/diminishes your opinions relative to Trump? Is that how this works?

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It is disturbing/embarassing to have Trump so outclassed by Carney. Carney is following the same game plan we use for senior citizens with dementia. Smile politely and let them talk and don't contradict them because it makes them more agitated.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/canada/trump-carney-white-house-meeting-us-canada.html
Over the course of a half-hour meeting in front of the cameras, Mr. Carney spoke just three times after delivering his opening remarks. Mr. Trump dominated the airtime, mostly with comments that veered off topic, including criticism of former President Barack Obama and Gov. Gavin Newsom of California.

He also teased a “very, very big announcement,” though he declined to provide any details beyond saying he would make it in the coming days. Mr. Carney took an opportunity to use humor to improve the mood, something he does often: “Mr. President, I’m at the edge of my seat,” he said with a smile.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

So I guess this is where we differ: I don’t believe there are friends on the global stage. Just commonly aligned interests. Politicians answer to their respective domestic voters, not to notions of global respect and friendship. Ask the French how their friendship with the Aussies worked out on the submarine deal….

Sure, Carney is way more professionally successful than me… I guess you are saying that invalidates/diminishes my opinions? By the same token, Trump has had way more professional success than you…so I guess that invalidates/diminishes your opinions relative to Trump? Is that how this works?

Why don’t you ask King Charles what he thinks of Canada. He is flying over here to open our parliament at the end of the month. You do know he is our official head of state, right?

https://theconversation.com/the-kings-speech-the-world-will-be-watching-when-charles-opens-canadas-parliament-255852

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

So I guess this is where we differ: I don’t believe there are friends on the global stage. Just commonly aligned interests. Politicians answer to their respective domestic voters, not to notions of global respect and friendship. Ask the French how their friendship with the Aussies worked out on the submarine deal….

Sure, Carney is way more professionally successful than me… I guess you are saying that invalidates/diminishes my opinions? By the same token, Trump has had way more professional success than you…so I guess that invalidates/diminishes your opinions relative to Trump? Is that how this works?

You may have a different definition of professional success. I have never declared bankruptcy in my business, let alone six times for a business I inherited from a rich parent, nor have I been convicted of any felonies. True, I have not been President of the United States but somehow I don’t think history will remember Trump as a successful President.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

DP. I disagree with this take. Canada, like most every country, is waiting. They can easily outwait the US because Trump has a short period of time for these tariffs. If the are not successful, the court may invalidate them as unlawful and/or unconstitutional. If he does not lose in court, after the midterms, Congress will invalidate them. It will be a long, painful 12-18 months of a US-induced US-and-worldwide recession (depression) but they'll get through. There's no need to blow up everything now when Trump's tariffs will be gone, sooner or later, probably sooner.

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Anonymous wrote:Canada has one way out and that's to find new friends. This fantasy of wanting leverage to continue a nonexistent friendship with the US sounds more like a movie script. Nobody in their right mind who has any self respect and is pragmatic is gonna align with US. With new measures, not sure how many people will be left in the US to export to for a profit! It won't be pretty and it's not ideal, it won't be as economically rewarding but Canada will survive without relying on US. And I don't think Carney is so unsavvy as to completely break the relationship with US - he did fly here to look like he cares after all - but his idea of seeking other alliances is absolutely correct.

And my money is on him not you. That guy has demonstrated success in the field of economic strategies. I'm not sure how much success you've had managing complex organizations and issues?

DP. I disagree with this take. Canada, like most every country, is waiting. They can easily outwait the US because Trump has a short period of time for these tariffs. If the are not successful, the court may invalidate them as unlawful and/or unconstitutional. If he does not lose in court, after the midterms, Congress will invalidate them. It will be a long, painful 12-18 months of a US-induced US-and-worldwide recession (depression) but they'll get through. There's no need to blow up everything now when Trump's tariffs will be gone, sooner or later, probably sooner.

+1 Canada has plenty of oil, land, far less violence than the USA, national healthcare and unlike the USA, will be sitting pretty in 20 years when our Southern states are abandoning their homes due to global warming.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners. He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg. There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way. I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader. Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options: (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him. Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market.

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough.

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape? This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?

To respond to your question as a the PP and as a Canadian, we already accept that we will be hit hard by your egomaniac of a president. We will probably go into a recession, but we have smart people. Your country will be hit hard as well. Can’t you see that your historical allies are moving away from your country?

Yes, I can see the historical allies are moving away. I’m not bothered by it if it means that my preteen and teenage sons won’t be the future security guarantee (implicit or explicit) for those former allies.

Your sons are planning to join the army? And you'd rather they be the goosestepping "future security guarantees" for white fake-Christian nationalists who don't want other Americans to vote or live their lives in peace?

Permanently get rid of the selective service and I’ll concede your point. Otherwise, I prefer the isolationists.

Isolationists like Trump who is advocating to invade Panama, Canada and Greenland?