Rich Men North of Richmond

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He posted a follow up note after the farmers market show. Dude will absolutely end up in Washington or Richmond. Which party is the question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjhRmq9S2s

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

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Anonymous wrote:He posted a follow up note after the farmers market show. Dude will absolutely end up in Washington or Richmond. Which party is the question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjhRmq9S2s

Yes, the red-state community that he speaks to does have problems, of poor wages, depression, addiction, people not looking after each other and so on as he describes - yet they are in deeply red counties and districts run by Republicans. Yet to listen to the list of right wing talking points in his lyrics, we are to conclude that somehow every last one of their woes is entirely the fault of Democrats. Add to it that many of the red-state political movement has been to actively reject anything that might help its citizens, like healthcare and so on. When Democrats are in the White House, it's almost as though Republicans go out of their way to make things worse for their base so that they can generate suffering to try and blame Democrats for.

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Anonymous wrote:He posted a follow up note after the farmers market show. Dude will absolutely end up in Washington or Richmond. Which party is the question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjhRmq9S2s

Yes, the red-state community that he speaks to does have problems, of poor wages, depression, addiction, people not looking after each other and so on as he describes - yet they are in deeply red counties and districts run by Republicans. Yet to listen to the list of right wing talking points in his lyrics, we are to conclude that somehow every last one of their woes is entirely the fault of Democrats. Add to it that many of the red-state political movement has been to actively reject anything that might help its citizens, like healthcare and so on. When Democrats are in the White House, it's almost as though Republicans go out of their way to make things worse for their base so that they can generate suffering to try and blame Democrats for.

The reporting out of Mississippi today about police who dismissed a twelve year old rape victim until she’d delivered her rapists baby really, really says something about a man who sings we worry too much about minors.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

+ a million dollars

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

Black or white or purple, you were born into wealth.

Same as some black people, and unlike many white people.

And unlike most black Americans. You forgot to add that.

Because of context it was obvious but, sure, unlikr most black Americans, or Hispanic Americans, or Americans in general.

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Weird that the right wing is so invested in their weird conspiracy theories about an imaginary cabal of global elites kidnapping kids and sacrificing them to the devil and drinking their blood for eternal youth...

...yet don't give a single shit about the very real situation of children being raped and then being forced to carry their rapist's baby to term at risk of their own wellbeing and possible death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weird that the right wing is so invested in their weird conspiracy theories about an imaginary cabal of global elites kidnapping kids and sacrificing them to the devil and drinking their blood for eternal youth...

...yet don't give a single shit about the very real situation of children being raped and then being forced to carry their rapist's baby to term at risk of their own wellbeing and possible death.

I mean to quote the song he:

wish politicians would look out for miners / And not just minors

So why do we think he or his fans give a good goddamn about a raped child? She’s not a miner.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:I always laugh at these “uprisings”

People will vote republican to help lower taxes, etc.

Those tax decreases are not helping the avg person, they are helping the DCUM crowd, myself included. This song preaches about how hard life is for the middle class (which is true) but what is the solution? Lower taxes? That will further the income inequality.

Most blue collar workers should be voting democratic as they are actually trying to stick it to the “rich men”.

The average person doesn’t care about “inequality” which is more of a Birds Eye view problem. Especially if they don’t live in a city and aren’t exposed to extreme wealth. Rather, they see how many dollars are removed from their paycheck every two weeks. What they care about is their own wallet — they aren’t just sitting there stewing that others make more. And then they learn that the federal government prints money by the billions, raising the question of why taxes are needed from a federal standpoint. And then they also learn that foreign countries get trillions o of dollars when things are difficult here. They also learn that the border is open and that illegals can have access to free school, healthcare, etc. Can you not at least understand how the current system would irk the average Joe’s?

Perhaps if what you described was accurate, but it's really not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weird that the right wing is so invested in their weird conspiracy theories about an imaginary cabal of global elites kidnapping kids and sacrificing them to the devil and drinking their blood for eternal youth...

...yet don't give a single shit about the very real situation of children being raped and then being forced to carry their rapist's baby to term at risk of their own wellbeing and possible death.

Are you one of those DC white liberals that apologize for reaching your potential?

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?

I see that you are a rich white anglo elite with little to add yet feeling entitled to know more than more experienced people including minorities.

And I wonder, where does your entitlement come from?

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

+1 seriously!!

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?

I see that you are a rich white anglo elite with little to add yet feeling entitled to know more than more experienced people including minorities.

And I wonder, where does your entitlement come from?

What does “entitled to know more” even mean? A willingness to read books? To acknowledge and examine privilege? To point out structural barriers to advancement that aren’t based on how people feel but on actual laws and history?

I would speculate that entitlement comes from a lack of insecurity. It’s never been necessary for me to play Victim Olympics and so I don’t have to pretend to believe the “sad rural white men” story.

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Anonymous wrote:This singer and the fans of his song are emblematic of multiple generations of white, uneducated people who cannot compete in the modern world.

These people are some of the most entitled people in the history of mankind. Despite having a 200 year head start, they are still moping about how everything is going to hell. Meanwhile, immigrants routinely come to this country from Asia and rocket their families into the upper income tier within a generation because they value education. This is just a sad song for lazy losers to drown in their misplaced victimhood.

Nailed it. Welcome to the Trump base.

And what does it tell us about the blacks that have been here for centuries longer?

There were laws in place to oppress and take any wealth generated by blacks. The poor white are poor because they are lazy.

LOL. No black person is poor at this moment in time because of laws in place more than half a century ago. If you think the average white person is benefiting from some kind of generational wealth, you need to get out more.

Inhabitants of the DC provincial bubble do need to get out more, but good luck telling them.

Gosh. If only this had ever been studied?

https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2021/12/17/inheritances-by-race#:~:text=Across%20all%20age%20groups%2C%20White,average%2C%20differs%20slightly%20by%20race.

Oh. Wait.

"Across all age groups, White households on average inherit about $15,000, about five times more than Black families and over six times more than Hispanic families"

In other words, it's Hispanics who could be whining...but instead they are working hard and getting ahead. Same as any minority group or person who wants.

Don't be so openly racist.

In other words, all of the yammering you and your buddies do about how Black people have no disadvantages against poor White people is, on average, $12,000 wrong.

That’s the difference between having a car payment and a paid off car. Or a paid for Associates vs a student loan. In other words, life changing money for many.

(DP) That survey also says that the probability of receiving an inheritance at all for all people is between 2.4 and 11%, so this seems to be a lot of focus on a very small number of people who might actually receive an inheritance. It really should not be generalized to the full electorate. Also, if the 5% of wealthiest people were eliminated from the survey, or even just the 1%, the averages would be very different.

It never ends though. A property in a predominantly white community is more valuable than an identical property in a predominantly black community. That is true anywhere in America. The schools aren’t equal. The black homeowner in a black neighborhood probably has a lower credit rating and higher interest rate. The white-owned house in the white-neighborhood with the majority white school appreciates rapidly in value. The black-owned house in the black neighborhood with the majority black school may not appreciate at all.

Now you’re just making stuff up to serve your own bias.

If property in a white community is more valuable than a predominantly black community then why is real estate in NE DC more expensive than most places in west virginia? A white working class family in Hagerstown, MD would see zero real estate appreciation while a black family in Shaw could sell for hundreds of thousands more than 20 years ago.

Sigh. You’re not thinking about this objectively because you’re so busy trying to feel like you’re a victim.

Yes, some black neighborhoods have appreciated more than some white ones.

However, black families were explicitly denied the right to buy houses in the kind of neighborhoods which have seen the largest (not large, largest) growth in prices. What do you think the impact of those laws were?

And, when they were forced by those laws into housing purchases in areas which have absolutely not appreciated, what impact do you think that has had on the ability to amass generational wealth?

Most immigrants arrive without any generational wealth and do well in just 1-2 generations.

There are much more important factors at play than whatever happened 3-4-5 generations ago.

Not only do they typically arrive without generational wealth, but they are often learning to speak English.

Blacks arrived here as slaves. They could not accumulate wealth. After they were freed laws denied them equal opportunity, the state oppressed them, terrorist organizations attacked them, any wealth accumulated was taken from them, etc. There is no comparing a slave vs someone who immigrant here.

Yeah knowing the English language and American culture provides Zero privileges.

Oh wait, it provides HUGE advantages.

Then how is it that Chinese immigrants who arrive poor, know zilch about American culture and don't speak English well manage to academically outperform not only blacks, but whites as well, and are able to do well with business and secure many well-paying jobs in our society?

Language is not a common denominator. Nor is American culture. But specific aspects of culture, such as studying, working hard and taking responsibility for your own outcomes provide much bigger advantages than merely being white and speaking English do.

Because most Chinese immigrants don’t arrive poor. They have enough funds to purchase plane tickets, attend visa interviews, etc. They tend to arrive in the United States with a secondary and post secondary education. Mainland Chinese “poor” never ever make it to the United States.

Glad to help with that huge mystery!

Ah yes, everyone but you was secretly handed hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Nope. I was handed literally hundreds of thousands of dollars which is what it’s called when your parents fully fund your college and graduate work.

That gift seems to have enabled me to understand the basic economics that surround preventing people from accessing resources available to others for centuries.

If your parents fully funded your college and graduate work to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you are probably in the top 2-5% of America in terms of family wealth, and certainly can't speak for the majority of Americans including most white people.

But I can speak to the drivers of generational wealth. And those include inheriting desirable and appreciating real estate from my great-grandparents and grandparents. Something that would have been challenging and unlikely for poor White Americans but literally illegal for Black ones. Do you see the difference?

Regardless of our parents or grandparents being allowed or not allowed to own real estate, a large percentage of Americans do not inherit real estate or much else in terms of generational wealth, whites included. Again, not all of us are in the top 2-5% and the wealth divide between the richest and the rest of us has gotten even worse in the last 50 years.