FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:To all of our good friends collectively known as “Langley” on this board, the 60-105 threshold should keep you right where you are, for now. I can’t find any school in or adjacent to the Forestville/Cooper/Langley progression that is currently outside this 60-105 range.

Your biggest concern appears to be that Armstrong ES is currently at 71% capacity but is projected to be at 41% in 29/30 (renovations underway, expected completion by FY2028). By all indications, Thru appears to be focused solely on schools that are currently outside of the 60-105 threshold for this current review.

Moving a portion of Forestville to Armstrong will likely be a focus of the next round of review, in five years, if Armstrong meets its sub-60% projection.

So, Langley, if you have kids that are 6th grade or higher and you don’t care where your house will be zoned when your DC are out of school, you can breath a sigh of relief.

If you do care about where your school is zoned and/or your DC are 5th or lower, maybe focus your energy on getting a different SB elected that tears up policy 8130.8 before the next 5-year review.

Very telling that they apparently set the under-utilization capacity threshold low enough to placate the noisiest parents in the county while proposing to move lots of other kids around to avoid islands and split feeders that weren’t hurting anyone and involve kids traveling far shorter distances to schools than Forestville kids travel to Langley.

FCPS sucks.

Hi, you don’t have to always make this us vs. them. I’m sure these “noisiest parents” support minimal moves across the county. You should try sugar, not vinegar.

Once they come out with the capacity proposals in May that leave Langley untouched you will declare victory and walk away, leaving others as the sacrificial lambs so FCPS can say it “did something.” I’m so sick of this shit.

Who’s going to be the sacrificial lambs? West Springfield parents who are redistributed to Lee?

That's how the WSHS parents feel. Will be VERY interested to see the capacity adjustments.

I don’t know if there’s going to be that change at this point, especially with 100+ leaving Rolling Valley for Saratoga. Yes those kids already (nominally) went to Key and Lewis, but 100 kids out of Rolling Valley is a lot, and will give some flexibility to change the ES boundaries to avoid crowding at the elementary level. Plus they also said that capacity in the 60%s was acceptable. Previously I had heard that they considered under 80% to be under-enrolled.

I think students being reassigned to Lewis will come from Annandale or Edison, which are also both crowded and both closer and an easier drive between the schools. Edison and Lewis are located on the same road and you could easily walk between them.

But they have WSHS at such a high capacity, I feel like they'll need to address it somehow. Maybe moving some Hunt Valley kids to South County? But then they create a split feeder at Hunt Valley. I'll be watching for those May 5 meeting slides.

The school board did not address the Sangster split feeder where one neighborhood goes to Irving and WSHS while the rest of the students go to Lake Braddock. Moving all of Sangster to LB might be enough to stave off rezoning WSHS.

But on the note of Rolling Valley, those apartments inside the parkway that are marked to mive to Saratoga don't currently go to Lewis. Those students go to WSHS. Are they not currently zoned for WSHS? I think many of the Rolling Valley students outside the parkway also attend WSHS, although they are definitely zoned for Lewis.

No that’s not true. They only took rolling valley kids who already go to key/lewis. The green line is the key/lewis boundary and they just matched up those rolling valley kids with Saratoga. So now all RVES kids go to Irving/WSHS, moving the small group of RV kids who went to key/lewis to Saratoga. The townhome community on the west side of rolling road that is north of the ffx county parkway has always gone to RVES, key, Lewis and with Chang’s would be Saratoga, key, Lewis. They were the first community south of RV that is bussed instead of walkers.

But those students attend WSHS.

No they don’t. They attend RVES/key/lewis. It’s a terrible split. Lots of those parents move or try to transfer to other schools after RV to avoid key/Lewis. But they are zoned for RV/key/lewis and always have been. Winter Forest (the turn in at Viola) is the edge of the RV/irving/WSHS boundary.
Now the students who were rves/key/lewis would be Saratoga/key/lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:To all of our good friends collectively known as “Langley” on this board, the 60-105 threshold should keep you right where you are, for now. I can’t find any school in or adjacent to the Forestville/Cooper/Langley progression that is currently outside this 60-105 range.

Your biggest concern appears to be that Armstrong ES is currently at 71% capacity but is projected to be at 41% in 29/30 (renovations underway, expected completion by FY2028). By all indications, Thru appears to be focused solely on schools that are currently outside of the 60-105 threshold for this current review.

Moving a portion of Forestville to Armstrong will likely be a focus of the next round of review, in five years, if Armstrong meets its sub-60% projection.

So, Langley, if you have kids that are 6th grade or higher and you don’t care where your house will be zoned when your DC are out of school, you can breath a sigh of relief.

If you do care about where your school is zoned and/or your DC are 5th or lower, maybe focus your energy on getting a different SB elected that tears up policy 8130.8 before the next 5-year review.

Very telling that they apparently set the under-utilization capacity threshold low enough to placate the noisiest parents in the county while proposing to move lots of other kids around to avoid islands and split feeders that weren’t hurting anyone and involve kids traveling far shorter distances to schools than Forestville kids travel to Langley.

FCPS sucks.

Hi, you don’t have to always make this us vs. them. I’m sure these “noisiest parents” support minimal moves across the county. You should try sugar, not vinegar.

Once they come out with the capacity proposals in May that leave Langley untouched you will declare victory and walk away, leaving others as the sacrificial lambs so FCPS can say it “did something.” I’m so sick of this shit.

Who’s going to be the sacrificial lambs? West Springfield parents who are redistributed to Lee?

That's how the WSHS parents feel. Will be VERY interested to see the capacity adjustments.

I don’t know if there’s going to be that change at this point, especially with 100+ leaving Rolling Valley for Saratoga. Yes those kids already (nominally) went to Key and Lewis, but 100 kids out of Rolling Valley is a lot, and will give some flexibility to change the ES boundaries to avoid crowding at the elementary level. Plus they also said that capacity in the 60%s was acceptable. Previously I had heard that they considered under 80% to be under-enrolled.

I think students being reassigned to Lewis will come from Annandale or Edison, which are also both crowded and both closer and an easier drive between the schools. Edison and Lewis are located on the same road and you could easily walk between them.

But they have WSHS at such a high capacity, I feel like they'll need to address it somehow. Maybe moving some Hunt Valley kids to South County? But then they create a split feeder at Hunt Valley. I'll be watching for those May 5 meeting slides.

The school board did not address the Sangster split feeder where one neighborhood goes to Irving and WSHS while the rest of the students go to Lake Braddock. Moving all of Sangster to LB might be enough to stave off rezoning WSHS.

But on the note of Rolling Valley, those apartments inside the parkway that are marked to mive to Saratoga don't currently go to Lewis. Those students go to WSHS. Are they not currently zoned for WSHS? I think many of the Rolling Valley students outside the parkway also attend WSHS, although they are definitely zoned for Lewis.

No that’s not true. They only took rolling valley kids who already go to key/lewis. The green line is the key/lewis boundary and they just matched up those rolling valley kids with Saratoga. So now all RVES kids go to Irving/WSHS, moving the small group of RV kids who went to key/lewis to Saratoga. The townhome community on the west side of rolling road that is north of the ffx county parkway has always gone to RVES, key, Lewis and with Chang’s would be Saratoga, key, Lewis. They were the first community south of RV that is bussed instead of walkers.

The line goes inside the parkway to those apartments and housing along Rolling Rd on the WSHS side of the the FC Pkwy.

Isn't all of the stuff on the WSHS side of the parkway zoned for WSHS?

No, it’s not. Everything south of the Winter Forest subdivision is already RVES/key/lewis. It’s a weird split and always has been.

Don't a lot of those kids attend WSHS though?

There are definitely Spartan car stickers in those RV neighborhoods, on both sides along the Parkway.

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Anonymous wrote:To all of our good friends collectively known as “Langley” on this board, the 60-105 threshold should keep you right where you are, for now. I can’t find any school in or adjacent to the Forestville/Cooper/Langley progression that is currently outside this 60-105 range.

Your biggest concern appears to be that Armstrong ES is currently at 71% capacity but is projected to be at 41% in 29/30 (renovations underway, expected completion by FY2028). By all indications, Thru appears to be focused solely on schools that are currently outside of the 60-105 threshold for this current review.

Moving a portion of Forestville to Armstrong will likely be a focus of the next round of review, in five years, if Armstrong meets its sub-60% projection.

So, Langley, if you have kids that are 6th grade or higher and you don’t care where your house will be zoned when your DC are out of school, you can breath a sigh of relief.

If you do care about where your school is zoned and/or your DC are 5th or lower, maybe focus your energy on getting a different SB elected that tears up policy 8130.8 before the next 5-year review.

Very telling that they apparently set the under-utilization capacity threshold low enough to placate the noisiest parents in the county while proposing to move lots of other kids around to avoid islands and split feeders that weren’t hurting anyone and involve kids traveling far shorter distances to schools than Forestville kids travel to Langley.

FCPS sucks.

Hi, you don’t have to always make this us vs. them. I’m sure these “noisiest parents” support minimal moves across the county. You should try sugar, not vinegar.

Once they come out with the capacity proposals in May that leave Langley untouched you will declare victory and walk away, leaving others as the sacrificial lambs so FCPS can say it “did something.” I’m so sick of this shit.

Who’s going to be the sacrificial lambs? West Springfield parents who are redistributed to Lee?

That's how the WSHS parents feel. Will be VERY interested to see the capacity adjustments.

I don’t know if there’s going to be that change at this point, especially with 100+ leaving Rolling Valley for Saratoga. Yes those kids already (nominally) went to Key and Lewis, but 100 kids out of Rolling Valley is a lot, and will give some flexibility to change the ES boundaries to avoid crowding at the elementary level. Plus they also said that capacity in the 60%s was acceptable. Previously I had heard that they considered under 80% to be under-enrolled.

I think students being reassigned to Lewis will come from Annandale or Edison, which are also both crowded and both closer and an easier drive between the schools. Edison and Lewis are located on the same road and you could easily walk between them.

But they have WSHS at such a high capacity, I feel like they'll need to address it somehow. Maybe moving some Hunt Valley kids to South County? But then they create a split feeder at Hunt Valley. I'll be watching for those May 5 meeting slides.

The school board did not address the Sangster split feeder where one neighborhood goes to Irving and WSHS while the rest of the students go to Lake Braddock. Moving all of Sangster to LB might be enough to stave off rezoning WSHS.

But on the note of Rolling Valley, those apartments inside the parkway that are marked to mive to Saratoga don't currently go to Lewis. Those students go to WSHS. Are they not currently zoned for WSHS? I think many of the Rolling Valley students outside the parkway also attend WSHS, although they are definitely zoned for Lewis.

No that’s not true. They only took rolling valley kids who already go to key/lewis. The green line is the key/lewis boundary and they just matched up those rolling valley kids with Saratoga. So now all RVES kids go to Irving/WSHS, moving the small group of RV kids who went to key/lewis to Saratoga. The townhome community on the west side of rolling road that is north of the ffx county parkway has always gone to RVES, key, Lewis and with Chang’s would be Saratoga, key, Lewis. They were the first community south of RV that is bussed instead of walkers.

The line goes inside the parkway to those apartments and housing along Rolling Rd on the WSHS side of the the FC Pkwy.

Isn't all of the stuff on the WSHS side of the parkway zoned for WSHS?

No, it’s not. Everything south of the Winter Forest subdivision is already RVES/key/lewis. It’s a weird split and always has been.

Don't a lot of those kids attend WSHS though?

Only if they are lying about residency or worked out a transfer somehow. But yes, many of those families try to get into other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more split feeder changes going to come out? I thought Lemon Road was a split feeder where very few students go to Longfellow/McLean. I did not see them mentioned in this iteration. I saw they moved the small neighborhood out of Westgate to Franklin-Sherman.

Lemon Road wasn’t considered because the school is located in the smaller catchment area (McLean) and they can’t reassign the McLean zone to Marshall because it would cut off their bridge to Timber Lane.

So the whole thing is driven by a Timber Lane bridge? Meeting comments on Westbriar were excellent. Likely from a boundary process veteran. There is NO reason to build the Timber Lane bridge considering the overcapacity issue at Mclean. Lack of Mclean and Marshall BRAC representation is evident by the comments. Inexplicable capacity goals especially when a site is small design capacity like Franklin Sherman. 95% plus capacity at a small school is entirely different than at something twice the size.

Is FCPS providing a bus now for Westgate students who live on Sawyer Farm Way [Union Park, Mclean address, Providence district]? That is one street in the absurd move to FS that is walkable to the current elementary school. So walkable that people could walk over in the evening and use a playground...

So do we have incompetents now bussing walkers? Timber Lane island Thru/BRAC advocates loading Mclean? I see too much Providence District listed as magisterial for lots of slop. Over 20 years ago there was discussion on breaking up Tysons Spring Hill island plus what to do with Westbriar island.

Westbriar -
● Colvin Run is much closer to the attendance island, why was this school not
considered?
● 267 is a major road, not a neighborhood connection, could be a natural split
● Colvin Run has a lower utilization – 83% + feeds Cooper + Langley, have more
space
● Need to evaluate a move to Colvin Run
● Wolftrap is just as far away for families as Westbriar if not longer with traffic
● Could the boundary between 2 be revisited to send some Wolftrap kids closer to
Westbriar
● Other options for move. Many other candidates surrounding island. Why is
analysis only compares Wolftrap? Population density?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more split feeder changes going to come out? I thought Lemon Road was a split feeder where very few students go to Longfellow/McLean. I did not see them mentioned in this iteration. I saw they moved the small neighborhood out of Westgate to Franklin-Sherman.

Lemon Road wasn’t considered because the school is located in the smaller catchment area (McLean) and they can’t reassign the McLean zone to Marshall because it would cut off their bridge to Timber Lane.

So the whole thing is driven by a Timber Lane bridge? Meeting comments on Westbriar were excellent. Likely from a boundary process veteran. There is NO reason to build the Timber Lane bridge considering the overcapacity issue at Mclean. Lack of Mclean and Marshall BRAC representation is evident by the comments. Inexplicable capacity goals especially when a site is small design capacity like Franklin Sherman. 95% plus capacity at a small school is entirely different than at something twice the size.

Is FCPS providing a bus now for Westgate students who live on Sawyer Farm Way [Union Park, Mclean address, Providence district]? That is one street in the absurd move to FS that is walkable to the current elementary school. So walkable that people could walk over in the evening and use a playground...

So do we have incompetents now bussing walkers? Timber Lane island Thru/BRAC advocates loading Mclean? I see too much Providence District listed as magisterial for lots of slop. Over 20 years ago there was discussion on breaking up Tysons Spring Hill island plus what to do with Westbriar island.

Westbriar -
● Colvin Run is much closer to the attendance island, why was this school not
considered?
● 267 is a major road, not a neighborhood connection, could be a natural split
● Colvin Run has a lower utilization – 83% + feeds Cooper + Langley, have more
space
● Need to evaluate a move to Colvin Run
● Wolftrap is just as far away for families as Westbriar if not longer with traffic
● Could the boundary between 2 be revisited to send some Wolftrap kids closer to
Westbriar
● Other options for move. Many other candidates surrounding island. Why is
analysis only compares Wolftrap? Population density?

DP. The question came up as to why they weren't looking at Lemon Road as a "split feeder" to be fixed since the percentage of Longfellow/McLean kids at Lemon Road is under 25% (it's closer to 20%).

The answer is that FCPS staff/Thru is not looking to "fix" split feeders if the school is physically located in the < 25% area. That's the case with Lemon Road. It is on Idylwood Road in an area that feeds to Longfellow/McLean, rather than to Kilmer/Marshall. So they left it alone for now. That aligns with the preferences of the Longfellow/McLean-zoned families at Lemon Road I know. It may be closer to Marshall than to McLean, but they don't want to move, it's not far from McLean, and it's closer to Longfellow than to Kilmer.

So this particular issue isn't related to "fixing" the Timber Lane attendance island. That fix could add some kids to Longfellow/McLean, but would be more than offset by moving the other Longfellow/McLean "island" in Tysons to Cooper/Langley, as floated.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more split feeder changes going to come out? I thought Lemon Road was a split feeder where very few students go to Longfellow/McLean. I did not see them mentioned in this iteration. I saw they moved the small neighborhood out of Westgate to Franklin-Sherman.

Lemon Road wasn’t considered because the school is located in the smaller catchment area (McLean) and they can’t reassign the McLean zone to Marshall because it would cut off their bridge to Timber Lane.

So the whole thing is driven by a Timber Lane bridge? Meeting comments on Westbriar were excellent. Likely from a boundary process veteran. There is NO reason to build the Timber Lane bridge considering the overcapacity issue at Mclean. Lack of Mclean and Marshall BRAC representation is evident by the comments. Inexplicable capacity goals especially when a site is small design capacity like Franklin Sherman. 95% plus capacity at a small school is entirely different than at something twice the size.

Is FCPS providing a bus now for Westgate students who live on Sawyer Farm Way [Union Park, Mclean address, Providence district]? That is one street in the absurd move to FS that is walkable to the current elementary school. So walkable that people could walk over in the evening and use a playground...

So do we have incompetents now bussing walkers? Timber Lane island Thru/BRAC advocates loading Mclean? I see too much Providence District listed as magisterial for lots of slop. Over 20 years ago there was discussion on breaking up Tysons Spring Hill island plus what to do with Westbriar island.

Westbriar -
● Colvin Run is much closer to the attendance island, why was this school not
considered?
● 267 is a major road, not a neighborhood connection, could be a natural split
● Colvin Run has a lower utilization – 83% + feeds Cooper + Langley, have more
space
● Need to evaluate a move to Colvin Run
● Wolftrap is just as far away for families as Westbriar if not longer with traffic
● Could the boundary between 2 be revisited to send some Wolftrap kids closer to
Westbriar
● Other options for move. Many other candidates surrounding island. Why is
analysis only compares Wolftrap? Population density?

DP. The question came up as to why they weren't looking at Lemon Road as a "split feeder" to be fixed since the percentage of Longfellow/McLean kids at Lemon Road is under 25% (it's closer to 20%).

The answer is that FCPS staff/Thru is not looking to "fix" split feeders if the school is physically located in the < 25% area. That's the case with Lemon Road. It is on Idylwood Road in an area that feeds to Longfellow/McLean, rather than to Kilmer/Marshall. So they left it alone for now. That aligns with the preferences of the Longfellow/McLean-zoned families at Lemon Road I know. It may be closer to Marshall than to McLean, but they don't want to move, it's not far from McLean, and it's closer to Longfellow than to Kilmer.

So this particular issue isn't related to "fixing" the Timber Lane attendance island. That fix could add some kids to Longfellow/McLean, but would be more than offset by moving the other Longfellow/McLean "island" in Tysons to Cooper/Langley, as floated.

I get what you wrote on Lemon Rd- - those in boundary for Longfellow/Mclean do not want a change. That is a very different area than the Westbriar Island and the Spring Hill/Longfellow/Mclean Island. The latter is comprised of disparate building complexes built at various times. As built, there could have been adminsitrative boundary changes for new builds.

That meant changing new residential builds on vacant or commercial land from Spring Hill to Westbriar - walkable complexes exist in Tysons. Middleton used to be in the Westbriar Island and got moved to Colvin Run. NO ONE has even examined these feeds in depth for decades. And despite spending over 500k neither are Thru or FCPS currently.

Yes- I am an appalled boundary process veteran. Do a drive or walk tour around Tysons.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more split feeder changes going to come out? I thought Lemon Road was a split feeder where very few students go to Longfellow/McLean. I did not see them mentioned in this iteration. I saw they moved the small neighborhood out of Westgate to Franklin-Sherman.

Lemon Road wasn’t considered because the school is located in the smaller catchment area (McLean) and they can’t reassign the McLean zone to Marshall because it would cut off their bridge to Timber Lane.

So the whole thing is driven by a Timber Lane bridge? Meeting comments on Westbriar were excellent. Likely from a boundary process veteran. There is NO reason to build the Timber Lane bridge considering the overcapacity issue at Mclean. Lack of Mclean and Marshall BRAC representation is evident by the comments. Inexplicable capacity goals especially when a site is small design capacity like Franklin Sherman. 95% plus capacity at a small school is entirely different than at something twice the size.

Is FCPS providing a bus now for Westgate students who live on Sawyer Farm Way [Union Park, Mclean address, Providence district]? That is one street in the absurd move to FS that is walkable to the current elementary school. So walkable that people could walk over in the evening and use a playground...

So do we have incompetents now bussing walkers? Timber Lane island Thru/BRAC advocates loading Mclean? I see too much Providence District listed as magisterial for lots of slop. Over 20 years ago there was discussion on breaking up Tysons Spring Hill island plus what to do with Westbriar island.

Westbriar -
● Colvin Run is much closer to the attendance island, why was this school not
considered?
● 267 is a major road, not a neighborhood connection, could be a natural split
● Colvin Run has a lower utilization – 83% + feeds Cooper + Langley, have more
space
● Need to evaluate a move to Colvin Run
● Wolftrap is just as far away for families as Westbriar if not longer with traffic
● Could the boundary between 2 be revisited to send some Wolftrap kids closer to
Westbriar
● Other options for move. Many other candidates surrounding island. Why is
analysis only compares Wolftrap? Population density?

DP. The question came up as to why they weren't looking at Lemon Road as a "split feeder" to be fixed since the percentage of Longfellow/McLean kids at Lemon Road is under 25% (it's closer to 20%).

The answer is that FCPS staff/Thru is not looking to "fix" split feeders if the school is physically located in the < 25% area. That's the case with Lemon Road. It is on Idylwood Road in an area that feeds to Longfellow/McLean, rather than to Kilmer/Marshall. So they left it alone for now. That aligns with the preferences of the Longfellow/McLean-zoned families at Lemon Road I know. It may be closer to Marshall than to McLean, but they don't want to move, it's not far from McLean, and it's closer to Longfellow than to Kilmer.

So this particular issue isn't related to "fixing" the Timber Lane attendance island. That fix could add some kids to Longfellow/McLean, but would be more than offset by moving the other Longfellow/McLean "island" in Tysons to Cooper/Langley, as floated.

Their criteria for the school being physically located in a certain zone is limiting and creating bizarre scenarios. The McLean attendance islands are a clear example. Spring Hill is on the Langley side, so Spring Hill went to Langley. Timber Lane is physically located on the McLean side, so they hacked up Shrevewood to make it connect. Meanwhile, McLean’s zone for Westgate touches the elementary school property lines, but doesn’t include it, so it’s fair game to move. There is no other logic around those adjustments except for the physical location of a school within existing high school boundaries.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Are there more split feeder changes going to come out? I thought Lemon Road was a split feeder where very few students go to Longfellow/McLean. I did not see them mentioned in this iteration. I saw they moved the small neighborhood out of Westgate to Franklin-Sherman.

Lemon Road wasn’t considered because the school is located in the smaller catchment area (McLean) and they can’t reassign the McLean zone to Marshall because it would cut off their bridge to Timber Lane.

So the whole thing is driven by a Timber Lane bridge? Meeting comments on Westbriar were excellent. Likely from a boundary process veteran. There is NO reason to build the Timber Lane bridge considering the overcapacity issue at Mclean. Lack of Mclean and Marshall BRAC representation is evident by the comments. Inexplicable capacity goals especially when a site is small design capacity like Franklin Sherman. 95% plus capacity at a small school is entirely different than at something twice the size.

Is FCPS providing a bus now for Westgate students who live on Sawyer Farm Way [Union Park, Mclean address, Providence district]? That is one street in the absurd move to FS that is walkable to the current elementary school. So walkable that people could walk over in the evening and use a playground...

So do we have incompetents now bussing walkers? Timber Lane island Thru/BRAC advocates loading Mclean? I see too much Providence District listed as magisterial for lots of slop. Over 20 years ago there was discussion on breaking up Tysons Spring Hill island plus what to do with Westbriar island.

Westbriar -
● Colvin Run is much closer to the attendance island, why was this school not
considered?
● 267 is a major road, not a neighborhood connection, could be a natural split
● Colvin Run has a lower utilization – 83% + feeds Cooper + Langley, have more
space
● Need to evaluate a move to Colvin Run
● Wolftrap is just as far away for families as Westbriar if not longer with traffic
● Could the boundary between 2 be revisited to send some Wolftrap kids closer to
Westbriar
● Other options for move. Many other candidates surrounding island. Why is
analysis only compares Wolftrap? Population density?

DP. The question came up as to why they weren't looking at Lemon Road as a "split feeder" to be fixed since the percentage of Longfellow/McLean kids at Lemon Road is under 25% (it's closer to 20%).

The answer is that FCPS staff/Thru is not looking to "fix" split feeders if the school is physically located in the < 25% area. That's the case with Lemon Road. It is on Idylwood Road in an area that feeds to Longfellow/McLean, rather than to Kilmer/Marshall. So they left it alone for now. That aligns with the preferences of the Longfellow/McLean-zoned families at Lemon Road I know. It may be closer to Marshall than to McLean, but they don't want to move, it's not far from McLean, and it's closer to Longfellow than to Kilmer.

So this particular issue isn't related to "fixing" the Timber Lane attendance island. That fix could add some kids to Longfellow/McLean, but would be more than offset by moving the other Longfellow/McLean "island" in Tysons to Cooper/Langley, as floated.

Their criteria for the school being physically located in a certain zone is limiting and creating bizarre scenarios. The McLean attendance islands are a clear example. Spring Hill is on the Langley side, so Spring Hill went to Langley. Timber Lane is physically located on the McLean side, so they hacked up Shrevewood to make it connect. Meanwhile, McLean’s zone for Westgate touches the elementary school property lines, but doesn’t include it, so it’s fair game to move. There is no other logic around those adjustments except for the physical location of a school within existing high school boundaries.

Don’t worry, what they’ve proposed for Westgate is doubly screwed up. First, they proposed on 4/25 to move the current McLean area at Westgate to Franklin Sherman, even though much of it like Union Park is within walking distance to Westgate. Second, they ignored the fact that their earlier 4/11 proposal would move a different part of Westgate to McLean. So they’d still be left with a lopsided split feeder at Westgate, just one for which they have identified no solution.

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Anonymous wrote:How did they not even touch Franklin? I feel like they went all nutso on attendance islands and backed off on effort (thankfully) on split feeders.

It appears they are sending Navy Island to Oak Hill. That keeps them at Franklin. So, will they send them to Chantilly? That would even out the Chantilly/Oakton split.

Franklin only feeds to Chantilly and Oakton right? Won’t they have to move some kids out of Chantilly to make room for the Navy island kids?

Some of Franklin goes to Westfield.

I still maintain they should have made that area east of 28 and south of 50 brookfield-rocky run-chantilly instead of keeping brookfield as a split feeder and would have freed up Franklin to help with Carson kids. Plus, those kids going from Cub Run to Lee's Corner basically drive by Brookfield
to get to Lee's Corner.

So are those Cub run kids at Lees Corner going to Chantilly? I thought we’re trying to reduce enrollment at Chantilly. Same with Navy Island going to Franklin, are they moving to chantilly HS?

I think they are moving Navy Island kids to Chantilly HS. Chantilly HS is already at 110%.

So it’s possible that they may propose something to reduce Chantilly’s enrollment at the next meeting. Maybe they will move the entire Navy (other than Island) to Oakton HS. Or they will move Greenbriar east to Fairfax HS (doubt it).

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Can anyone out there tell so far how they expect Woodson HS to be affected? We're at 104% capacity but expect to exceed the 105% capacity threshold in 5 years (106%). Meanwhile, in 5 years, neighboring Falls Church HS and Annandale HS will be below capacity at 86% and 89% respectively. Am I to assume that some of Woodson's students will get rezoned to one of those two schools?

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Anonymous wrote:How did they not even touch Franklin? I feel like they went all nutso on attendance islands and backed off on effort (thankfully) on split feeders.

It appears they are sending Navy Island to Oak Hill. That keeps them at Franklin. So, will they send them to Chantilly? That would even out the Chantilly/Oakton split.

Franklin only feeds to Chantilly and Oakton right? Won’t they have to move some kids out of Chantilly to make room for the Navy island kids?

Some of Franklin goes to Westfield.

I still maintain they should have made that area east of 28 and south of 50 brookfield-rocky run-chantilly instead of keeping brookfield as a split feeder and would have freed up Franklin to help with Carson kids. Plus, those kids going from Cub Run to Lee's Corner basically drive by Brookfield
to get to Lee's Corner.

So are those Cub run kids at Lees Corner going to Chantilly? I thought we’re trying to reduce enrollment at Chantilly. Same with Navy Island going to Franklin, are they moving to chantilly HS?

I think they are moving Navy Island kids to Chantilly HS. Chantilly HS is already at 110%.

So it’s possible that they may propose something to reduce Chantilly’s enrollment at the next meeting. Maybe they will move the entire Navy (other than Island) to Oakton HS. Or they will move Greenbriar east to Fairfax HS (doubt it).

Chantilly is projected to lose population. It has been crowded for decades. They deal with it well.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone out there tell so far how they expect Woodson HS to be affected? We're at 104% capacity but expect to exceed the 105% capacity threshold in 5 years (106%). Meanwhile, in 5 years, neighboring Falls Church HS and Annandale HS will be below capacity at 86% and 89% respectively. Am I to assume that some of Woodson's students will get rezoned to one of those two schools?

Annandale is a mirage because the 86% capacity includes a modular (though I don’t think Thru is considering this.) Woodson also got capacity relief when they addressed the Fairfax HS island which took it from 104% capacity down to 100%

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How likely are these “proposals” to go through?

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Anonymous wrote:How did they not even touch Franklin? I feel like they went all nutso on attendance islands and backed off on effort (thankfully) on split feeders.

It appears they are sending Navy Island to Oak Hill. That keeps them at Franklin. So, will they send them to Chantilly? That would even out the Chantilly/Oakton split.

Franklin only feeds to Chantilly and Oakton right? Won’t they have to move some kids out of Chantilly to make room for the Navy island kids?

Some of Franklin goes to Westfield.

I still maintain they should have made that area east of 28 and south of 50 brookfield-rocky run-chantilly instead of keeping brookfield as a split feeder and would have freed up Franklin to help with Carson kids. Plus, those kids going from Cub Run to Lee's Corner basically drive by Brookfield
to get to Lee's Corner.

So are those Cub run kids at Lees Corner going to Chantilly? I thought we’re trying to reduce enrollment at Chantilly. Same with Navy Island going to Franklin, are they moving to chantilly HS?

I think they are moving Navy Island kids to Chantilly HS. Chantilly HS is already at 110%.

So it’s possible that they may propose something to reduce Chantilly’s enrollment at the next meeting. Maybe they will move the entire Navy (other than Island) to Oakton HS. Or they will move Greenbriar east to Fairfax HS (doubt it).

Chantilly is projected to lose population. It has been crowded for decades. They deal with it well.

The 3/25 slides only looked at the CURRENT capacity. Chantilly HS is top 5 most overcrowded school and they are proposing moves that would increase the enrollment.

Something has to give.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone out there tell so far how they expect Woodson HS to be affected? We're at 104% capacity but expect to exceed the 105% capacity threshold in 5 years (106%). Meanwhile, in 5 years, neighboring Falls Church HS and Annandale HS will be below capacity at 86% and 89% respectively. Am I to assume that some of Woodson's students will get rezoned to one of those two schools?

Oh they are proposing to reboundary Annandale to make it 104% capacity. Which makes no sense.