ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

Their top tier is losing money left and right. The league is dependent on money from p2p mlsn 1 and 2 clubs. The league has to think through issues to staying BY to ensure they are still financially viable.

1. How to expand mlsn1 in the future when all outside clubs are 8/1
2. What to do about mlsn2 and how to make a second tier league attractive. They wouldn’t have created mlsn2 if they didn’t need the money.
3. How to keep aug-dec in the mlsn pathway when teams switch from 8/1 to 1/1. A certain number can play down?

If the league has a plan for these issues that allows them to stay BY good for them. The attitude that “mlsn is the best and can do whatever it wants” is not going to lead anywhere good.

Man, talk about just making stuff up for argument sake lol

Do you think the academies are making money? Provide the argument otherwise.

MLS Next is a league.

Not a single person mentioned academies since its quite irrelevant to this discussion.

Click to show earlier quotes will give the background.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

Delusional girl dad

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

Delusional girl dad

Why would a girl dad care about this?

Please, provide the counter argument. How does mlsn manage this? What’s the plan? There is a reason clubs are pushing back, how does mlsn make staying BY work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

MLS Next is adding new teams every year.
Clearly you miss those announcements

MLS Next is the professional pipeline and the preference for top college recruiting.

The MLS Next league model is about developing talent, not profits. They don't hide that fact.

It is a stupid non argument regarding MLS Next not being top of the youth pyramid

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

Their top tier is losing money left and right. The league is dependent on money from p2p mlsn 1 and 2 clubs. The league has to think through issues to staying BY to ensure they are still financially viable.

1. How to expand mlsn1 in the future when all outside clubs are 8/1
2. What to do about mlsn2 and how to make a second tier league attractive. They wouldn’t have created mlsn2 if they didn’t need the money.
3. How to keep aug-dec in the mlsn pathway when teams switch from 8/1 to 1/1. A certain number can play down?

If the league has a plan for these issues that allows them to stay BY good for them. The attitude that “mlsn is the best and can do whatever it wants” is not going to lead anywhere good.

Man, talk about just making stuff up for argument sake lol

I think you have no idea how MLSNext works.

MLS academies are a minority of MLSNext.

P2P clubs’ interest is MLS Next moving to SY, otherwise they won’t be able to self organize.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

Delusional girl dad

Why would a girl dad care about this?

Please, provide the counter argument. How does mlsn manage this? What’s the plan? There is a reason clubs are pushing back, how does mlsn make staying BY work?

You are a girl dad that thinks he knows everything and is pretending to have a son playing in MLS Next. People dont want to waste their time explaining things to you because you'll never understand and argue about it the entire time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

MLS Next is adding new teams every year.
Clearly you miss those announcements

MLS Next is the professional pipeline and the preference for top college recruiting.

The MLS Next league model is about developing talent, not profits. They don't hide that fact.

It is a stupid non argument regarding MLS Next not being top of the youth pyramid

They are adding teams now. That’s my point. After this year all other clubs will be 8/1. Are the clubs going to turn around the following year and transition back to 1/1 to join mlsn? How can you judge the potential quality of a club with 1/1 teams off a club currently with an 8/1 cutoff?

Agreed about talent development at academies. P2P clubs are always about profits. Regardless, if a league isn’t profitable it won’t be around, at least not in its current form.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

Their top tier is losing money left and right. The league is dependent on money from p2p mlsn 1 and 2 clubs. The league has to think through issues to staying BY to ensure they are still financially viable.

1. How to expand mlsn1 in the future when all outside clubs are 8/1
2. What to do about mlsn2 and how to make a second tier league attractive. They wouldn’t have created mlsn2 if they didn’t need the money.
3. How to keep aug-dec in the mlsn pathway when teams switch from 8/1 to 1/1. A certain number can play down?

If the league has a plan for these issues that allows them to stay BY good for them. The attitude that “mlsn is the best and can do whatever it wants” is not going to lead anywhere good.

Man, talk about just making stuff up for argument sake lol

I think you have no idea how MLSNext works.

MLS academies are a minority of MLSNext.

P2P clubs’ interest is MLS Next moving to SY, otherwise they won’t be able to self organize.

So P2P clubs are more important than the Major League Soccer pipeline and USYNT?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

MLS Next is adding new teams every year.
Clearly you miss those announcements

MLS Next is the professional pipeline and the preference for top college recruiting.

The MLS Next league model is about developing talent, not profits. They don't hide that fact.

It is a stupid non argument regarding MLS Next not being top of the youth pyramid

They are adding teams now. That’s my point. After this year all other clubs will be 8/1. Are the clubs going to turn around the following year and transition back to 1/1 to join mlsn? How can you judge the potential quality of a club with 1/1 teams off a club currently with an 8/1 cutoff?

Agreed about talent development at academies. P2P clubs are always about profits. Regardless, if a league isn’t profitable it won’t be around, at least not in its current form.

You're saying the Major League Soccer youth league tied to the top tier Senior league and clubs that provides about 95% of all US Youth National Team players is going to be replaced by what?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

Their top tier is losing money left and right. The league is dependent on money from p2p mlsn 1 and 2 clubs. The league has to think through issues to staying BY to ensure they are still financially viable.

1. How to expand mlsn1 in the future when all outside clubs are 8/1
2. What to do about mlsn2 and how to make a second tier league attractive. They wouldn’t have created mlsn2 if they didn’t need the money.
3. How to keep aug-dec in the mlsn pathway when teams switch from 8/1 to 1/1. A certain number can play down?

If the league has a plan for these issues that allows them to stay BY good for them. The attitude that “mlsn is the best and can do whatever it wants” is not going to lead anywhere good.

Man, talk about just making stuff up for argument sake lol

I think you have no idea how MLSNext works.

MLS academies are a minority of MLSNext.

P2P clubs’ interest is MLS Next moving to SY, otherwise they won’t be able to self organize.

So P2P clubs are more important than the Major League Soccer pipeline and USYNT?

To the bottomlime, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

MLS Next is adding new teams every year.
Clearly you miss those announcements

MLS Next is the professional pipeline and the preference for top college recruiting.

The MLS Next league model is about developing talent, not profits. They don't hide that fact.

It is a stupid non argument regarding MLS Next not being top of the youth pyramid

They are adding teams now. That’s my point. After this year all other clubs will be 8/1. Are the clubs going to turn around the following year and transition back to 1/1 to join mlsn? How can you judge the potential quality of a club with 1/1 teams off a club currently with an 8/1 cutoff?

Agreed about talent development at academies. P2P clubs are always about profits. Regardless, if a league isn’t profitable it won’t be around, at least not in its current form.

P2P clubs will bend over backwards and sideways and go to whatever age cutoff MLS Next dictates to join

Are you pretending or really this naive?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

What does 9v9 have to do with MLS Next?

Best players are going to MLS Next no matter what or where they're coming from.
They will enter MLS Next at whatever the appropriate BY age group.

No league is going to base their future on this belief. That could change at any time. You need numbers and plans to back up decisions like this.

What's the scenario steps that leads to MLS Next not being the top youth league other than Major League Soccer folding?

Money. Ecnl can expand, mlsn won’t be able to, at least not easily. Ecnl will have a profitable second tier, mlsn 2 stuck in a no win situation no matter what age cutoff they use. Ecnl is a good option for aug-dec players. It’s a rare player that can skip an age group and be successful. Ecnl will be a much easier system to implement, p2p clubs are going to be constantly dealing with the change in cutoff and how that impacts u8-u12. Ecnl is already stronger in some areas of the country.

Maybe mlsn will stay the stronger league. Other than academies which recruit from anywhere, what do they offer that’s going to keep them the strongest league? Maybe mlsn has great answers to these questions and how all of this is going to be managed but I’ve yet to see any type of actual plan.

MLS Next is adding new teams every year.
Clearly you miss those announcements

MLS Next is the professional pipeline and the preference for top college recruiting.

The MLS Next league model is about developing talent, not profits. They don't hide that fact.

It is a stupid non argument regarding MLS Next not being top of the youth pyramid

They are adding teams now. That’s my point. After this year all other clubs will be 8/1. Are the clubs going to turn around the following year and transition back to 1/1 to join mlsn? How can you judge the potential quality of a club with 1/1 teams off a club currently with an 8/1 cutoff?

Agreed about talent development at academies. P2P clubs are always about profits. Regardless, if a league isn’t profitable it won’t be around, at least not in its current form.

We know that you're a girl dad.

Take some time and go to a youngers boys tournamant. Check out how many teams MLS affiliated clubs have compared to ECNL and everything else. Once you see it you'll understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

Their top tier is losing money left and right. The league is dependent on money from p2p mlsn 1 and 2 clubs. The league has to think through issues to staying BY to ensure they are still financially viable.

1. How to expand mlsn1 in the future when all outside clubs are 8/1
2. What to do about mlsn2 and how to make a second tier league attractive. They wouldn’t have created mlsn2 if they didn’t need the money.
3. How to keep aug-dec in the mlsn pathway when teams switch from 8/1 to 1/1. A certain number can play down?

If the league has a plan for these issues that allows them to stay BY good for them. The attitude that “mlsn is the best and can do whatever it wants” is not going to lead anywhere good.

Man, talk about just making stuff up for argument sake lol

I think you have no idea how MLSNext works.

MLS academies are a minority of MLSNext.

P2P clubs’ interest is MLS Next moving to SY, otherwise they won’t be able to self organize.

So P2P clubs are more important than the Major League Soccer pipeline and USYNT?

Academies lose money. P2P clubs make money. They are all part of the same league and the money from p2p clubs helps supplement academies.

The actual numbers no one knows and are probably the sticking point here. If the mls academies aren’t getting a lot of funding from the p2p clubs than mlsn probably doesn’t care what the p2p clubs think or what happens to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't checked-in in a couple weeks. Anything new? Looked back a few pages and arguing with the crazy August guy (and his multiple personas) seems to be the only action.

MLSN still being silent on the issue (even after their partner GA announced SY) is baffling to me. I know their communications have always been slow (case in point, they didn't announce the actual name of MLSN2 until what, August), but I don't see what benefit it can be at this point to stay mum. Unless they just enjoy watching ECNL sweat. I talked to a few directors (one MLSN1 and two MLSN2) in the last month and they were all over the place on what they thought was going to happen and all had heard absolutely nothing official.

I don’t think mlsnext has a plan. I think they were full steam ahead BY not realizing the difficulty that would cause their clubs. Do they care now? Who knows.

MLS Next doesn't own or run clubs
It's a league

A league that doesn't concern with what all the lower leagues are doing

Lower leagues are their pipeline. If either or both MLSN leagues stay BY, they will lose a year's worth of 9v9 experience. They also lose out on cumulative RAE effect for the majority of better players to that point that were on SY registration, pushing those players to find an alternative SY league. MLSN is a business first. You know that, but you are just trying to start an argument.

Their top tier is losing money left and right. The league is dependent on money from p2p mlsn 1 and 2 clubs. The league has to think through issues to staying BY to ensure they are still financially viable.

1. How to expand mlsn1 in the future when all outside clubs are 8/1
2. What to do about mlsn2 and how to make a second tier league attractive. They wouldn’t have created mlsn2 if they didn’t need the money.
3. How to keep aug-dec in the mlsn pathway when teams switch from 8/1 to 1/1. A certain number can play down?

If the league has a plan for these issues that allows them to stay BY good for them. The attitude that “mlsn is the best and can do whatever it wants” is not going to lead anywhere good.

Man, talk about just making stuff up for argument sake lol

I think you have no idea how MLSNext works.

MLS academies are a minority of MLSNext.

P2P clubs’ interest is MLS Next moving to SY, otherwise they won’t be able to self organize.

So P2P clubs are more important than the Major League Soccer pipeline and USYNT?

To the bottomlime, yes.

Who's and what bottom-line?
P2P team in MLS Next still have paying parents, no?