Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why the dead father stuff keeps popping up, that is the most obviously not actionable allegation she has

It's weird and inappropriate.

But “spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth”, “ballbuster” and “I have dragons” are completely normal?!

Justin could’ve just as easily filed a complaint against Blake but didn’t. The fact that she filed a complaint is not proof of harassment b/c the harassment was not pervasive. The complaint itself just puts her concerns in writing should they recur (which they didn’t). Putting the complaints in writing was her right but was itself an escalation. Most people would just let the person know they didn’t like something and would only submit a written complaint if it recurred. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt, like Justin did with Blake’s countless inappropriate remarks.

Yes, those things are all also weird and inappropriate. But also not "actionable." Which is why I don't object when people "still bring them up" -- it's weird, obnoxious behavior and illustrates how Lively and Reynolds were complicit in things going south.

But so was Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Barring further info, my conclusion upon reading both complaints is that both parties behaved poorly, the entire production was unprofessional, and the efforts to take each other down subsequently were out line. I think the correct resolution to this is for everyone involved to admit they made mistakes, blame it on perhaps a mismatch of personalities, it being everyone's first post-pandemic production, the stress/disruption of the strikes, etc. Say sorry and move on.

Yeah, right. This is a BL supporter who sees the writing on the wall and is trying to do damage control, and save BL $. BL went scorched earth on lies. Sorry, but no way JB should back down.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Blake Lively but watching people ride this hard for some guy named Justin Baldoni who seems incredibly fake and annoying is wild.

I'm Team No One but I get why people on both sides feel as they do (I just think there's not enough evidence to take a side). But it's weird to me that people are defending Baldoni like he's Princess Diana. Who even is he? I checked out his website and tried to listen to his podcast and he's just... awful. Like I said, I also don't like Lively and I think the jury's out on which one is telling the truth, but I don't get why so many people are ride or die for this guy. He's incredibly grating.

Do you have a son? A brother? A husband? A father? Any male friends or relatives? Well, unfortunately they could falsely be accused of SH/A. No matter if the victim is ‘grating’ or annoying, Justin is innocent. Blake is the bad guy here.

I have all of the above and none of them behave the way Baldoni does. He has a lot of boundary crossing behavior IMO. I don't know if he SHed anyone, but I don't have men in my life who behave as he does, and if I did, I would talk to them about how their behavior can come across to other people, especially women. Especially if it was my son. Some of the things Baldoni admits to doing, I'd be concerned if my son was doing, especially in the workplace.

Is your son an actor or director?

My son is too young to have a profession, but it's not relevant. I've worked in creative fields, including as a performer. This attitude of "oh it's ok -- it's a different kind of workplace" is dumb. Just because you're on a movie set doesn't mean it's okay to behave this way. In fact, I think it might make it even more important that you act professionally.

You can never go wrong by respecting boundaries and being self-controlled. No matter where you work or who you work with.

Please point out where he has admitted to behavior that you consider unprofessional. Not alllegations in her complaint, but something from his.

He admits to having his producer partner show her a video of the producer's wife giving birth the day after they filmed the birth scene. That's tone deaf and unprofessional.

He admits to repeatedly promising his production partners he would say no to her requests for oversight/control, while repeatedly telling her yes to these same requests even when she says she doesn't want to step on toes and is asking explicitly for permission. He repeatedly plays both sides, complaining about Lively to his partners while being solicitous and enabling with Lively in his communications to her. They both violated professional boundaries in their communications. It was very unprofessional on both sides.

He doesn't address the allegation of telling her that he'd been speaking with her dead father. He doesn't admit to this but the fact that it's missing from his complaint altogether is concerning. That's unprofessional.

He admits to hiring a friend to play the doctor who hung out between Lively's legs in the birth scene. Even if this actor was a qualified actor, hiring a friend for that specific job, and highlighting that he's a friend in introducing him to Lively, is unprofessional.

There are others but these are the ones that jump out at me right now. It did not seem like a very professional set.

It seems like they were unhappy with Blake’s acting job in the birth scene. How better to coach her then show her video of what they wanted?

They already filmed it. It was over. At that point there's no good reason to show her the video except to reopen the argument over whether or not she should have been fully nude in the scene, something they should have decided well in advance of filming the scene, not the day of.

This is exactly what I mean by unprofessional. It's just sloppy and lazy, IMO.

They go back and refill things all the time. Perhaps no point here when your star won’t even take direction

Whether or not an actor will be nude in a scene is not a question of "taking direction." It's a contract negotiation issue.

I don’t think there was ever any intent for Blake to be nude in this movie. I saw the movie, it was PG-13 mainstream Summer movie.

But if Blake wanted to set clear parameters she needed to do things like turn in her nudity rider which is there to outline what she is comfortable with, and she never returned it, despite them begging for it,and meet with the IC, booth those things she refused to do.

These actions make it seem like she was setting this up all along to take control of the movie. I even feel like some of the sexual innuendo texts she sent were hoping that he would take the bait and return her banter and he never did.

There may have been some cases where he was unprofessional but I’m also truly shocked about how professional he was about some things. He never seemed to lose his temper or lose it when the other editors and producers were complaining and about Blake. He kept to calm and professional. And he never took her bait with the questionable texts and things, and kept it professional.

Even his intimacy coordinator notes seemed professional, and it was smart of him to write everything down so that he could relay the conversation and not make it look like he was making things up on the fly. Again, I just think she was trying to totally set him up.

You can show breasts in a PG-13 movie if they are not shown in a "sexual scenario." Since it was a birth scene and not a sex scene, perhaps they thought they could get away with it.

But even if they didn't intend to actually show her full breasts, actors are supposed to have protections regarding nudity on the set and simulated nudity for the camera. You're supposed to have plenty of warning when a scene is going to be shot that way, an IC on set, and certain precautions taken to ensure that footage of an actor unclothed is not widely dispersed. It does not sound like they followed those guidlines here. It might have been just lack of experience and ignorance, but when you are the ones running the set, that's still on you. They handled it really badly.

I think it's weird that you are "shocked" he didn't lose his temper. He was a film director. It's his job to deal with talent (including, yes, someone like Lively who sounds like a pill to work with -- he participated in hiring her and should not have taken on the directing role unless he felt he could handle her personality) and navigate demands from the studio and producers. It's his literal job. It's a hard job. He did it poorly!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why the dead father stuff keeps popping up, that is the most obviously not actionable allegation she has

It's weird and inappropriate.

But “spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth”, “ballbuster” and “I have dragons” are completely normal?!

Justin could’ve just as easily filed a complaint against Blake but didn’t. The fact that she filed a complaint is not proof of harassment b/c the harassment was not pervasive. The complaint itself just puts her concerns in writing should they recur (which they didn’t). Putting the complaints in writing was her right but was itself an escalation. Most people would just let the person know they didn’t like something and would only submit a written complaint if it recurred. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt, like Justin did with Blake’s countless inappropriate remarks.

Yes, those things are all also weird and inappropriate. But also not "actionable." Which is why I don't object when people "still bring them up" -- it's weird, obnoxious behavior and illustrates how Lively and Reynolds were complicit in things going south.

But so was Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Barring further info, my conclusion upon reading both complaints is that both parties behaved poorly, the entire production was unprofessional, and the efforts to take each other down subsequently were out line. I think the correct resolution to this is for everyone involved to admit they made mistakes, blame it on perhaps a mismatch of personalities, it being everyone's first post-pandemic production, the stress/disruption of the strikes, etc. Say sorry and move on.

Yeah, right. This is a BL supporter who sees the writing on the wall and is trying to do damage control, and save BL $. BL went scorched earth on lies. Sorry, but no way JB should back down.

I could not care less about Blake Lively or her bank account. What I don't get is why you are so invested in Baldoni. These people both seem like inept narcissists.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Blake Lively but watching people ride this hard for some guy named Justin Baldoni who seems incredibly fake and annoying is wild.

I'm Team No One but I get why people on both sides feel as they do (I just think there's not enough evidence to take a side). But it's weird to me that people are defending Baldoni like he's Princess Diana. Who even is he? I checked out his website and tried to listen to his podcast and he's just... awful. Like I said, I also don't like Lively and I think the jury's out on which one is telling the truth, but I don't get why so many people are ride or die for this guy. He's incredibly grating.

Do you have a son? A brother? A husband? A father? Any male friends or relatives? Well, unfortunately they could falsely be accused of SH/A. No matter if the victim is ‘grating’ or annoying, Justin is innocent. Blake is the bad guy here.

I have all of the above and none of them behave the way Baldoni does. He has a lot of boundary crossing behavior IMO. I don't know if he SHed anyone, but I don't have men in my life who behave as he does, and if I did, I would talk to them about how their behavior can come across to other people, especially women. Especially if it was my son. Some of the things Baldoni admits to doing, I'd be concerned if my son was doing, especially in the workplace.

Is your son an actor or director?

My son is too young to have a profession, but it's not relevant. I've worked in creative fields, including as a performer. This attitude of "oh it's ok -- it's a different kind of workplace" is dumb. Just because you're on a movie set doesn't mean it's okay to behave this way. In fact, I think it might make it even more important that you act professionally.

You can never go wrong by respecting boundaries and being self-controlled. No matter where you work or who you work with.

Please point out where he has admitted to behavior that you consider unprofessional. Not alllegations in her complaint, but something from his.

He admits to having his producer partner show her a video of the producer's wife giving birth the day after they filmed the birth scene. That's tone deaf and unprofessional.

He admits to repeatedly promising his production partners he would say no to her requests for oversight/control, while repeatedly telling her yes to these same requests even when she says she doesn't want to step on toes and is asking explicitly for permission. He repeatedly plays both sides, complaining about Lively to his partners while being solicitous and enabling with Lively in his communications to her. They both violated professional boundaries in their communications. It was very unprofessional on both sides.

He doesn't address the allegation of telling her that he'd been speaking with her dead father. He doesn't admit to this but the fact that it's missing from his complaint altogether is concerning. That's unprofessional.

He admits to hiring a friend to play the doctor who hung out between Lively's legs in the birth scene. Even if this actor was a qualified actor, hiring a friend for that specific job, and highlighting that he's a friend in introducing him to Lively, is unprofessional.

There are others but these are the ones that jump out at me right now. It did not seem like a very professional set.

What about Lively's sister playing a role in the film? I noticed you didn't address that.

. Baldoni’s wife and kids were also in the movie. It wasn’t that he gave his friend a part, it was the choice of parts that upset her. Why not have her sister or someone she is comfortable with be up between her legs given it was just a bit part with no real acting and no lines.

+1, Lively's sister was not hired to sit in between Baldoni's legs while he wasn't even wearing pants. That's the difference.

Would have been so easy to just hire some pro no one on set knew to make that situation a little more comfortable and it's weird that they didn't.

You are reaching, and it’s telling.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Blake Lively but watching people ride this hard for some guy named Justin Baldoni who seems incredibly fake and annoying is wild.

I'm Team No One but I get why people on both sides feel as they do (I just think there's not enough evidence to take a side). But it's weird to me that people are defending Baldoni like he's Princess Diana. Who even is he? I checked out his website and tried to listen to his podcast and he's just... awful. Like I said, I also don't like Lively and I think the jury's out on which one is telling the truth, but I don't get why so many people are ride or die for this guy. He's incredibly grating.

Do you have a son? A brother? A husband? A father? Any male friends or relatives? Well, unfortunately they could falsely be accused of SH/A. No matter if the victim is ‘grating’ or annoying, Justin is innocent. Blake is the bad guy here.

I have all of the above and none of them behave the way Baldoni does. He has a lot of boundary crossing behavior IMO. I don't know if he SHed anyone, but I don't have men in my life who behave as he does, and if I did, I would talk to them about how their behavior can come across to other people, especially women. Especially if it was my son. Some of the things Baldoni admits to doing, I'd be concerned if my son was doing, especially in the workplace.

Is your son an actor or director?

My son is too young to have a profession, but it's not relevant. I've worked in creative fields, including as a performer. This attitude of "oh it's ok -- it's a different kind of workplace" is dumb. Just because you're on a movie set doesn't mean it's okay to behave this way. In fact, I think it might make it even more important that you act professionally.

You can never go wrong by respecting boundaries and being self-controlled. No matter where you work or who you work with.

Please point out where he has admitted to behavior that you consider unprofessional. Not alllegations in her complaint, but something from his.

He admits to having his producer partner show her a video of the producer's wife giving birth the day after they filmed the birth scene. That's tone deaf and unprofessional.

He admits to repeatedly promising his production partners he would say no to her requests for oversight/control, while repeatedly telling her yes to these same requests even when she says she doesn't want to step on toes and is asking explicitly for permission. He repeatedly plays both sides, complaining about Lively to his partners while being solicitous and enabling with Lively in his communications to her. They both violated professional boundaries in their communications. It was very unprofessional on both sides.

He doesn't address the allegation of telling her that he'd been speaking with her dead father. He doesn't admit to this but the fact that it's missing from his complaint altogether is concerning. That's unprofessional.

He admits to hiring a friend to play the doctor who hung out between Lively's legs in the birth scene. Even if this actor was a qualified actor, hiring a friend for that specific job, and highlighting that he's a friend in introducing him to Lively, is unprofessional.

There are others but these are the ones that jump out at me right now. It did not seem like a very professional set.

It seems like they were unhappy with Blake’s acting job in the birth scene. How better to coach her then show her video of what they wanted?

They already filmed it. It was over. At that point there's no good reason to show her the video except to reopen the argument over whether or not she should have been fully nude in the scene, something they should have decided well in advance of filming the scene, not the day of.

This is exactly what I mean by unprofessional. It's just sloppy and lazy, IMO.

They go back and refill things all the time. Perhaps no point here when your star won’t even take direction

Whether or not an actor will be nude in a scene is not a question of "taking direction." It's a contract negotiation issue.

I don’t think there was ever any intent for Blake to be nude in this movie. I saw the movie, it was PG-13 mainstream Summer movie.

But if Blake wanted to set clear parameters she needed to do things like turn in her nudity rider which is there to outline what she is comfortable with, and she never returned it, despite them begging for it,and meet with the IC, booth those things she refused to do.

These actions make it seem like she was setting this up all along to take control of the movie. I even feel like some of the sexual innuendo texts she sent were hoping that he would take the bait and return her banter and he never did.

There may have been some cases where he was unprofessional but I’m also truly shocked about how professional he was about some things. He never seemed to lose his temper or lose it when the other editors and producers were complaining and about Blake. He kept to calm and professional. And he never took her bait with the questionable texts and things, and kept it professional.

Even his intimacy coordinator notes seemed professional, and it was smart of him to write everything down so that he could relay the conversation and not make it look like he was making things up on the fly. Again, I just think she was trying to totally set him up.

You can show breasts in a PG-13 movie if they are not shown in a "sexual scenario." Since it was a birth scene and not a sex scene, perhaps they thought they could get away with it.

But even if they didn't intend to actually show her full breasts, actors are supposed to have protections regarding nudity on the set and simulated nudity for the camera. You're supposed to have plenty of warning when a scene is going to be shot that way, an IC on set, and certain precautions taken to ensure that footage of an actor unclothed is not widely dispersed. It does not sound like they followed those guidlines here. It might have been just lack of experience and ignorance, but when you are the ones running the set, that's still on you. They handled it really badly.

I think it's weird that you are "shocked" he didn't lose his temper. He was a film director. It's his job to deal with talent (including, yes, someone like Lively who sounds like a pill to work with -- he participated in hiring her and should not have taken on the directing role unless he felt he could handle her personality) and navigate demands from the studio and producers. It's his literal job. It's a hard job. He did it poorly!

So we’re now blaming Justin on not anticipating such horrid behavior from Blake? She is an adult, why is there no accountability for her? She declined to sign the nudity waiver or whatever it was. Why? Why is Blake never held accountable?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why the dead father stuff keeps popping up, that is the most obviously not actionable allegation she has

It's weird and inappropriate.

But “spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth”, “ballbuster” and “I have dragons” are completely normal?!

Justin could’ve just as easily filed a complaint against Blake but didn’t. The fact that she filed a complaint is not proof of harassment b/c the harassment was not pervasive. The complaint itself just puts her concerns in writing should they recur (which they didn’t). Putting the complaints in writing was her right but was itself an escalation. Most people would just let the person know they didn’t like something and would only submit a written complaint if it recurred. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt, like Justin did with Blake’s countless inappropriate remarks.

Yes, those things are all also weird and inappropriate. But also not "actionable." Which is why I don't object when people "still bring them up" -- it's weird, obnoxious behavior and illustrates how Lively and Reynolds were complicit in things going south.

But so was Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Barring further info, my conclusion upon reading both complaints is that both parties behaved poorly, the entire production was unprofessional, and the efforts to take each other down subsequently were out line. I think the correct resolution to this is for everyone involved to admit they made mistakes, blame it on perhaps a mismatch of personalities, it being everyone's first post-pandemic production, the stress/disruption of the strikes, etc. Say sorry and move on.

Yeah, right. This is a BL supporter who sees the writing on the wall and is trying to do damage control, and save BL $. BL went scorched earth on lies. Sorry, but no way JB should back down.

I could not care less about Blake Lively or her bank account. What I don't get is why you are so invested in Baldoni. These people both seem like inept narcissists.

Because I can’t think of anyone who’s been treated the way that JB has been treated, would just say “ let’s just move on.”

I think he’s right to want to clear his name by seeing this process through.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why the dead father stuff keeps popping up, that is the most obviously not actionable allegation she has

It's weird and inappropriate.

But “spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth”, “ballbuster” and “I have dragons” are completely normal?!

Justin could’ve just as easily filed a complaint against Blake but didn’t. The fact that she filed a complaint is not proof of harassment b/c the harassment was not pervasive. The complaint itself just puts her concerns in writing should they recur (which they didn’t). Putting the complaints in writing was her right but was itself an escalation. Most people would just let the person know they didn’t like something and would only submit a written complaint if it recurred. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt, like Justin did with Blake’s countless inappropriate remarks.

Yes, those things are all also weird and inappropriate. But also not "actionable." Which is why I don't object when people "still bring them up" -- it's weird, obnoxious behavior and illustrates how Lively and Reynolds were complicit in things going south.

But so was Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Barring further info, my conclusion upon reading both complaints is that both parties behaved poorly, the entire production was unprofessional, and the efforts to take each other down subsequently were out line. I think the correct resolution to this is for everyone involved to admit they made mistakes, blame it on perhaps a mismatch of personalities, it being everyone's first post-pandemic production, the stress/disruption of the strikes, etc. Say sorry and move on.

Yeah, right. This is a BL supporter who sees the writing on the wall and is trying to do damage control, and save BL $. BL went scorched earth on lies. Sorry, but no way JB should back down.

I could not care less about Blake Lively or her bank account. What I don't get is why you are so invested in Baldoni. These people both seem like inept narcissists.

I care about this case because it’s a blatant manipulation towards Justin by Blake and Ryan. It’s wrong and needs to be viewed as a cautionary tale. Men can be victims too.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Blake Lively but watching people ride this hard for some guy named Justin Baldoni who seems incredibly fake and annoying is wild.

I'm Team No One but I get why people on both sides feel as they do (I just think there's not enough evidence to take a side). But it's weird to me that people are defending Baldoni like he's Princess Diana. Who even is he? I checked out his website and tried to listen to his podcast and he's just... awful. Like I said, I also don't like Lively and I think the jury's out on which one is telling the truth, but I don't get why so many people are ride or die for this guy. He's incredibly grating.

Do you have a son? A brother? A husband? A father? Any male friends or relatives? Well, unfortunately they could falsely be accused of SH/A. No matter if the victim is ‘grating’ or annoying, Justin is innocent. Blake is the bad guy here.

I have all of the above and none of them behave the way Baldoni does. He has a lot of boundary crossing behavior IMO. I don't know if he SHed anyone, but I don't have men in my life who behave as he does, and if I did, I would talk to them about how their behavior can come across to other people, especially women. Especially if it was my son. Some of the things Baldoni admits to doing, I'd be concerned if my son was doing, especially in the workplace.

Is your son an actor or director?

My son is too young to have a profession, but it's not relevant. I've worked in creative fields, including as a performer. This attitude of "oh it's ok -- it's a different kind of workplace" is dumb. Just because you're on a movie set doesn't mean it's okay to behave this way. In fact, I think it might make it even more important that you act professionally.

You can never go wrong by respecting boundaries and being self-controlled. No matter where you work or who you work with.

Please point out where he has admitted to behavior that you consider unprofessional. Not alllegations in her complaint, but something from his.

He admits to having his producer partner show her a video of the producer's wife giving birth the day after they filmed the birth scene. That's tone deaf and unprofessional.

He admits to repeatedly promising his production partners he would say no to her requests for oversight/control, while repeatedly telling her yes to these same requests even when she says she doesn't want to step on toes and is asking explicitly for permission. He repeatedly plays both sides, complaining about Lively to his partners while being solicitous and enabling with Lively in his communications to her. They both violated professional boundaries in their communications. It was very unprofessional on both sides.

He doesn't address the allegation of telling her that he'd been speaking with her dead father. He doesn't admit to this but the fact that it's missing from his complaint altogether is concerning. That's unprofessional.

He admits to hiring a friend to play the doctor who hung out between Lively's legs in the birth scene. Even if this actor was a qualified actor, hiring a friend for that specific job, and highlighting that he's a friend in introducing him to Lively, is unprofessional.

There are others but these are the ones that jump out at me right now. It did not seem like a very professional set.

What about Lively's sister playing a role in the film? I noticed you didn't address that.

. Baldoni’s wife and kids were also in the movie. It wasn’t that he gave his friend a part, it was the choice of parts that upset her. Why not have her sister or someone she is comfortable with be up between her legs given it was just a bit part with no real acting and no lines.

+1, Lively's sister was not hired to sit in between Baldoni's legs while he wasn't even wearing pants. That's the difference.

Would have been so easy to just hire some pro no one on set knew to make that situation a little more comfortable and it's weird that they didn't.

If she had a problem with the selection of actor, why not voice that before the scene? She was the a-lister and had no problem making her opinions known elsewhere.

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Well, it wasn't a documentary or art movie, it would've been fine without any of the details which actor found uncomfortable.

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And it’s amazing to see that after embarrassing setback (SNL), that there are a few BL posters that come out and either try to read more neutral or multifaceted meanings into the chain of events or simply decide to deduce that she did wrong but so did he so let’s shake on it and move on —no damages!

It’s a clever attempt of backtracking to try to force JB to just let the whole nightmare go so that BL and RR can have their lives back.

They ruined JB on intentional lies. I hope that he continues to fight back in court.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why the dead father stuff keeps popping up, that is the most obviously not actionable allegation she has

It's weird and inappropriate.

But “spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth”, “ballbuster” and “I have dragons” are completely normal?!

Justin could’ve just as easily filed a complaint against Blake but didn’t. The fact that she filed a complaint is not proof of harassment b/c the harassment was not pervasive. The complaint itself just puts her concerns in writing should they recur (which they didn’t). Putting the complaints in writing was her right but was itself an escalation. Most people would just let the person know they didn’t like something and would only submit a written complaint if it recurred. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt, like Justin did with Blake’s countless inappropriate remarks.

Yes, those things are all also weird and inappropriate. But also not "actionable." Which is why I don't object when people "still bring them up" -- it's weird, obnoxious behavior and illustrates how Lively and Reynolds were complicit in things going south.

But so was Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Barring further info, my conclusion upon reading both complaints is that both parties behaved poorly, the entire production was unprofessional, and the efforts to take each other down subsequently were out line. I think the correct resolution to this is for everyone involved to admit they made mistakes, blame it on perhaps a mismatch of personalities, it being everyone's first post-pandemic production, the stress/disruption of the strikes, etc. Say sorry and move on.

Yeah, right. This is a BL supporter who sees the writing on the wall and is trying to do damage control, and save BL $. BL went scorched earth on lies. Sorry, but no way JB should back down.

I could not care less about Blake Lively or her bank account. What I don't get is why you are so invested in Baldoni. These people both seem like inept narcissists.

I care about this case because it’s a blatant manipulation towards Justin by Blake and Ryan. It’s wrong and needs to be viewed as a cautionary tale. Men can be victims too.

+1. Power dynamics are a key part of harassment typically, and the power here has always tilted in her favor, no matter how much she insists in her complaint he was “her boss”. Technically, sure, but c’mon…

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Blake Lively but watching people ride this hard for some guy named Justin Baldoni who seems incredibly fake and annoying is wild.

I'm Team No One but I get why people on both sides feel as they do (I just think there's not enough evidence to take a side). But it's weird to me that people are defending Baldoni like he's Princess Diana. Who even is he? I checked out his website and tried to listen to his podcast and he's just... awful. Like I said, I also don't like Lively and I think the jury's out on which one is telling the truth, but I don't get why so many people are ride or die for this guy. He's incredibly grating.

Do you have a son? A brother? A husband? A father? Any male friends or relatives? Well, unfortunately they could falsely be accused of SH/A. No matter if the victim is ‘grating’ or annoying, Justin is innocent. Blake is the bad guy here.

I have all of the above and none of them behave the way Baldoni does. He has a lot of boundary crossing behavior IMO. I don't know if he SHed anyone, but I don't have men in my life who behave as he does, and if I did, I would talk to them about how their behavior can come across to other people, especially women. Especially if it was my son. Some of the things Baldoni admits to doing, I'd be concerned if my son was doing, especially in the workplace.

Is your son an actor or director?

My son is too young to have a profession, but it's not relevant. I've worked in creative fields, including as a performer. This attitude of "oh it's ok -- it's a different kind of workplace" is dumb. Just because you're on a movie set doesn't mean it's okay to behave this way. In fact, I think it might make it even more important that you act professionally.

You can never go wrong by respecting boundaries and being self-controlled. No matter where you work or who you work with.

Please point out where he has admitted to behavior that you consider unprofessional. Not alllegations in her complaint, but something from his.

He admits to having his producer partner show her a video of the producer's wife giving birth the day after they filmed the birth scene. That's tone deaf and unprofessional.

He admits to repeatedly promising his production partners he would say no to her requests for oversight/control, while repeatedly telling her yes to these same requests even when she says she doesn't want to step on toes and is asking explicitly for permission. He repeatedly plays both sides, complaining about Lively to his partners while being solicitous and enabling with Lively in his communications to her. They both violated professional boundaries in their communications. It was very unprofessional on both sides.

He doesn't address the allegation of telling her that he'd been speaking with her dead father. He doesn't admit to this but the fact that it's missing from his complaint altogether is concerning. That's unprofessional.

He admits to hiring a friend to play the doctor who hung out between Lively's legs in the birth scene. Even if this actor was a qualified actor, hiring a friend for that specific job, and highlighting that he's a friend in introducing him to Lively, is unprofessional.

There are others but these are the ones that jump out at me right now. It did not seem like a very professional set.

What about Lively's sister playing a role in the film? I noticed you didn't address that.

. Baldoni’s wife and kids were also in the movie. It wasn’t that he gave his friend a part, it was the choice of parts that upset her. Why not have her sister or someone she is comfortable with be up between her legs given it was just a bit part with no real acting and no lines.

+1, Lively's sister was not hired to sit in between Baldoni's legs while he wasn't even wearing pants. That's the difference.

Would have been so easy to just hire some pro no one on set knew to make that situation a little more comfortable and it's weird that they didn't.

I don't think it's weird at all to hire someone you know. I am 100% sure that if they had done what you suggest, it would have made it into the complaint that they had hired some rando which was inappropriate for the nature of the scene. The thing with a Lively type, especially one who is hellbent on taking over your film, is there are no right choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like Blake Lively but watching people ride this hard for some guy named Justin Baldoni who seems incredibly fake and annoying is wild.

I'm Team No One but I get why people on both sides feel as they do (I just think there's not enough evidence to take a side). But it's weird to me that people are defending Baldoni like he's Princess Diana. Who even is he? I checked out his website and tried to listen to his podcast and he's just... awful. Like I said, I also don't like Lively and I think the jury's out on which one is telling the truth, but I don't get why so many people are ride or die for this guy. He's incredibly grating.

Do you have a son? A brother? A husband? A father? Any male friends or relatives? Well, unfortunately they could falsely be accused of SH/A. No matter if the victim is ‘grating’ or annoying, Justin is innocent. Blake is the bad guy here.

I have all of the above and none of them behave the way Baldoni does. He has a lot of boundary crossing behavior IMO. I don't know if he SHed anyone, but I don't have men in my life who behave as he does, and if I did, I would talk to them about how their behavior can come across to other people, especially women. Especially if it was my son. Some of the things Baldoni admits to doing, I'd be concerned if my son was doing, especially in the workplace.

Is your son an actor or director?

My son is too young to have a profession, but it's not relevant. I've worked in creative fields, including as a performer. This attitude of "oh it's ok -- it's a different kind of workplace" is dumb. Just because you're on a movie set doesn't mean it's okay to behave this way. In fact, I think it might make it even more important that you act professionally.

You can never go wrong by respecting boundaries and being self-controlled. No matter where you work or who you work with.

Please point out where he has admitted to behavior that you consider unprofessional. Not alllegations in her complaint, but something from his.

He admits to having his producer partner show her a video of the producer's wife giving birth the day after they filmed the birth scene. That's tone deaf and unprofessional.

He admits to repeatedly promising his production partners he would say no to her requests for oversight/control, while repeatedly telling her yes to these same requests even when she says she doesn't want to step on toes and is asking explicitly for permission. He repeatedly plays both sides, complaining about Lively to his partners while being solicitous and enabling with Lively in his communications to her. They both violated professional boundaries in their communications. It was very unprofessional on both sides.

He doesn't address the allegation of telling her that he'd been speaking with her dead father. He doesn't admit to this but the fact that it's missing from his complaint altogether is concerning. That's unprofessional.

He admits to hiring a friend to play the doctor who hung out between Lively's legs in the birth scene. Even if this actor was a qualified actor, hiring a friend for that specific job, and highlighting that he's a friend in introducing him to Lively, is unprofessional.

There are others but these are the ones that jump out at me right now. It did not seem like a very professional set.

What about Lively's sister playing a role in the film? I noticed you didn't address that.

. Baldoni’s wife and kids were also in the movie. It wasn’t that he gave his friend a part, it was the choice of parts that upset her. Why not have her sister or someone she is comfortable with be up between her legs given it was just a bit part with no real acting and no lines.

+1, Lively's sister was not hired to sit in between Baldoni's legs while he wasn't even wearing pants. That's the difference.

Would have been so easy to just hire some pro no one on set knew to make that situation a little more comfortable and it's weird that they didn't.

If she had a problem with the selection of actor, why not voice that before the scene? She was the a-lister and had no problem making her opinions known elsewhere.

Agreed. She can advocate for herself in all other respects—I want to wear my clothes instead… i want the rooftop scene to follow my rewrite… here is my list of demands or I walk…I want us to have dialogue while this scene is occurring…I like to try to take control of movies even though I’m only asked to be an actor…

She is so outspoken and wanting to control the movie on so many instances, yet here she was helpless and uncomfortable? If I’ve learned anything about BL is that she is not afraid to speak her mind.

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Blake willingly signed on to act in this movie. No one forced her, she is not a child. Why are we treating her as if she is a child? Does she lack free will? This surely is not the same entitled, demeaning, sarcastic Blake from all of those interviews? Cool girl Blake all of a sudden is offended. She can go around offending and manipulating everyone, but everyone else must be held to her unrealistic standards. She is fickle, you just never know which Blake you will get, the delicate flower Blake or the bad a$$ Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why the dead father stuff keeps popping up, that is the most obviously not actionable allegation she has

It's weird and inappropriate.

But “spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth”, “ballbuster” and “I have dragons” are completely normal?!

Justin could’ve just as easily filed a complaint against Blake but didn’t. The fact that she filed a complaint is not proof of harassment b/c the harassment was not pervasive. The complaint itself just puts her concerns in writing should they recur (which they didn’t). Putting the complaints in writing was her right but was itself an escalation. Most people would just let the person know they didn’t like something and would only submit a written complaint if it recurred. It’s called giving people the benefit of the doubt, like Justin did with Blake’s countless inappropriate remarks.

Yes, those things are all also weird and inappropriate. But also not "actionable." Which is why I don't object when people "still bring them up" -- it's weird, obnoxious behavior and illustrates how Lively and Reynolds were complicit in things going south.

But so was Baldoni and Wayfarer.

Barring further info, my conclusion upon reading both complaints is that both parties behaved poorly, the entire production was unprofessional, and the efforts to take each other down subsequently were out line. I think the correct resolution to this is for everyone involved to admit they made mistakes, blame it on perhaps a mismatch of personalities, it being everyone's first post-pandemic production, the stress/disruption of the strikes, etc. Say sorry and move on.

Yeah, right. This is a BL supporter who sees the writing on the wall and is trying to do damage control, and save BL $. BL went scorched earth on lies. Sorry, but no way JB should back down.

I could not care less about Blake Lively or her bank account. What I don't get is why you are so invested in Baldoni. These people both seem like inept narcissists.

Because I can’t think of anyone who’s been treated the way that JB has been treated, would just say “ let’s just move on.”

I think he’s right to want to clear his name by seeing this process through.

Duke lacrosse players (2006) pushed to clear their names in criminal case that turned out to be hoax. They were drug down, lacrosse coach fired, season cancelled, prosecuting attorney disbarred and 7 years later the wrongful accuser found guilty for unrelated act of killing boyfriend. From behind bars this past Dec she gave interview saying lied.

I can read legal complaints and answers, but ultimately have no idea what the facts really are in JB/BL case. What do know from Duke and other cases is if anyone is lying, it’s not just an “oops” situation—real lives and reputations are on the line and not only the 2 named in lawsuits.