GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance

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Look up how many teams have mls next and ECNL. Look up how many teams have GA and ECNL. I’ll let your mind do the rest of the work.

Now I'm confused. Say what?

Only club around here that already has MLSN and GA together is everyones favorite SYC. Does this make them more stable and prepared for the long haul? Or does it not matter because nobody actually wants this combo because the MLSN and ECNL combo u=is preferred? Does it mattter, I don't think it does but if you are trying to integrate training and methodologies and want to give players cross training opportunities at all levels. I"m no genius but one combo does make more sense if they are already partnered.

In the past one could say that girls ECNL was better than GA and that MLSN was better than boys ECNL…

This alliance now makes GA/MLSN = ECNL…possibly better if it becomes the only path to the pros.. you see there…

You can no longer just compare ECNL to GA. You will have to compare ECNL to the Alliance

The main path to NWSL for youth players has been ECNL. Hard to see that changing anytime soon. MLSNext is a boys league

No, the main path to NWSL has been college. ECNL is the main path to college. There is no special link between ECNL and NWSL. I think that's the open space here to provide an alternative path to NWSL that isn't just college.

Correctomundo. And those that don’t go to NWSL still go to college

I think the bigger point here isn’t ECNL to College, but rather Youth to Pro on the girls side. If you don’t see that wave coming, you’re blind.

ECNL just doubled down on Youth to College.
The NCAA is doubling down on chaos. And GA just placed its bet on Youth to Pro. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.

GA’s bet looks like a risky one, but it isn’t, because of the pot odds, it’s actually very savvy and has a tremendous EV for very little wagered.

ECNL however basically just put their future in the hands of a newly unstable bipolar scratch ticket addict (the NCAA). Their bet looks like “business as usual” but the payoff of business as usual is linear and low payoff, so they made a huge bet on a small payoff. Sounds smart, but it’s closer to a coin flip than a sure thing, so it’s actually a pretty bad bet, with a negative EV because of the bet size.

ECNL is suffering from the innovators dilemma. Whereas GA has little to lose at trying new things.

Fine to be called blind but I really do not think there is a market for Youth to Pro on the girls side. No market at all. Sure you could fill the seats but at least half if not more of the top girls would stay on the Youth to College path. NCAA is not all that unstable when you go outside of revenue sports. Actually doing fine.

But there is a bigger problem with your analysis. GA did not place a bet on Youth to Pro. What they did was enter into an agreement that paves the way for future work and agreements. The GA Youth to Pro is at best 3-5 years in the future and will take 3-5 years to get off the ground is MLS acadamies are a guide. 6-10 years is a long time. I agreee you have to start somewhere and this may be the start.

If the top GA teams leave this year -- GA dies.

You are having a hard time understanding how this would work. No one is saying that this pathway to pro would make everyone on a specific team a pro player.

What will happen (see any MLS Academy) is that they will attract the top talent in an area. The very top players could “possibly” go pro, while the 99.9% have a guaranteed roster spot on the top colleges.

Unfortunately there are no big money European teams willing to pay millions for a few NWSL academy graduates to fund the academies, there are very few pro women roster slots with only 14 teams and the average player makes $65k. Limited supply and limited demand now and at least for the next decade.

Soccer is choosing to pretend GA is something it isn't with a press release and no real actual action rather than supporting girls club soccer with funds through any of these leagues. Not a great sign for the future of the women's NT.

The fact is the top of the pyramid for women’s soccer in the US right now is college. That’s where most of the money comes from (total college scholarships/NIL money is more than what NWSL provides). The leagues are set up to support college as the destination. This will remain until there is more money coming from the pro system. On the men’s side pro system has more money than colleges so it works differently. Follow the money, people. The pro money needs to be there first before the system that everyone here wants can happen. The system doesn’t change first.

No…the top of the pyramid for women’s soccer is not college…😂 that’s the top of most soccer players careers…that doesn’t make it the top of the pyramid.

The top of the money pyramid is college. More money in college soccer than pro for women. For men the pro game has way more money even if most of it is outside the US. The money source drives the system.

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With how the NCAA is heading, I'm not sure that there's as going to be as much funding for non revenue sports as there once was, and soccer doesn't drive revenue in the college world.

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Anonymous wrote:With how the NCAA is heading, I'm not sure that there's as going to be as much funding for non revenue sports as there once was, and soccer doesn't drive revenue in the college world.

Title 9

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Anonymous wrote:With how the NCAA is heading, I'm not sure that there's as going to be as much funding for non revenue sports as there once was, and soccer doesn't drive revenue in the college world.

Title 9

Doesn't mean much. Soon all NCAA sports will have less participation. Colleges will choose which women's sports they will participate in to offset the men's teams. Women's soccer is one of many options.

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Anonymous wrote:Same freak responded 3x lol.

Look up how many teams have mls next and ECNL. Look up how many teams have GA and ECNL. I’ll let your mind do the rest of the work.

Now I'm confused. Say what?

Only club around here that already has MLSN and GA together is everyones favorite SYC. Does this make them more stable and prepared for the long haul? Or does it not matter because nobody actually wants this combo because the MLSN and ECNL combo u=is preferred? Does it mattter, I don't think it does but if you are trying to integrate training and methodologies and want to give players cross training opportunities at all levels. I"m no genius but one combo does make more sense if they are already partnered.

In the past one could say that girls ECNL was better than GA and that MLSN was better than boys ECNL…

This alliance now makes GA/MLSN = ECNL…possibly better if it becomes the only path to the pros.. you see there…

You can no longer just compare ECNL to GA. You will have to compare ECNL to the Alliance

The main path to NWSL for youth players has been ECNL. Hard to see that changing anytime soon. MLSNext is a boys league

No, the main path to NWSL has been college. ECNL is the main path to college. There is no special link between ECNL and NWSL. I think that's the open space here to provide an alternative path to NWSL that isn't just college.

Correctomundo. And those that don’t go to NWSL still go to college

I think the bigger point here isn’t ECNL to College, but rather Youth to Pro on the girls side. If you don’t see that wave coming, you’re blind.

ECNL just doubled down on Youth to College.
The NCAA is doubling down on chaos. And GA just placed its bet on Youth to Pro. If you can’t see that, you’re blind.

GA’s bet looks like a risky one, but it isn’t, because of the pot odds, it’s actually very savvy and has a tremendous EV for very little wagered.

ECNL however basically just put their future in the hands of a newly unstable bipolar scratch ticket addict (the NCAA). Their bet looks like “business as usual” but the payoff of business as usual is linear and low payoff, so they made a huge bet on a small payoff. Sounds smart, but it’s closer to a coin flip than a sure thing, so it’s actually a pretty bad bet, with a negative EV because of the bet size.

ECNL is suffering from the innovators dilemma. Whereas GA has little to lose at trying new things.

Fine to be called blind but I really do not think there is a market for Youth to Pro on the girls side. No market at all. Sure you could fill the seats but at least half if not more of the top girls would stay on the Youth to College path. NCAA is not all that unstable when you go outside of revenue sports. Actually doing fine.

But there is a bigger problem with your analysis. GA did not place a bet on Youth to Pro. What they did was enter into an agreement that paves the way for future work and agreements. The GA Youth to Pro is at best 3-5 years in the future and will take 3-5 years to get off the ground is MLS acadamies are a guide. 6-10 years is a long time. I agreee you have to start somewhere and this may be the start.

If the top GA teams leave this year -- GA dies.

You are having a hard time understanding how this would work. No one is saying that this pathway to pro would make everyone on a specific team a pro player.

What will happen (see any MLS Academy) is that they will attract the top talent in an area. The very top players could “possibly” go pro, while the 99.9% have a guaranteed roster spot on the top colleges.

Unfortunately there are no big money European teams willing to pay millions for a few NWSL academy graduates to fund the academies, there are very few pro women roster slots with only 14 teams and the average player makes $65k. Limited supply and limited demand now and at least for the next decade.

Soccer is choosing to pretend GA is something it isn't with a press release and no real actual action rather than supporting girls club soccer with funds through any of these leagues. Not a great sign for the future of the women's NT.

The fact is the top of the pyramid for women’s soccer in the US right now is college. That’s where most of the money comes from (total college scholarships/NIL money is more than what NWSL provides). The leagues are set up to support college as the destination. This will remain until there is more money coming from the pro system. On the men’s side pro system has more money than colleges so it works differently. Follow the money, people. The pro money needs to be there first before the system that everyone here wants can happen. The system doesn’t change first.

No…the top of the pyramid for women’s soccer is not college…😂 that’s the top of most soccer players careers…that doesn’t make it the top of the pyramid.

The top of the money pyramid is college. More money in college soccer than pro for women. For men the pro game has way more money even if most of it is outside the US. The money source drives the system.

"money pyramid"?
Is there an illustration

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Anonymous wrote:With how the NCAA is heading, I'm not sure that there's as going to be as much funding for non revenue sports as there once was, and soccer doesn't drive revenue in the college world.

Title 9

Doesn't mean much. Soon all NCAA sports will have less participation. Colleges will choose which women's sports they will participate in to offset the men's teams. Women's soccer is one of many options.

Surprising how many of you are against women’s sports on this forum.

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I think we will know more in January 2025 when the rumors of clubs leaving start floating around… my thoughts are MLSN tries to squeeze some clubs into not leaving GA and forcing some clubs to come to GA to keep mls next.

The SY/by thing may have pissed them off enough to end ecnl boys once and for all

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will know more in January 2025 when the rumors of clubs leaving start floating around… my thoughts are MLSN tries to squeeze some clubs into not leaving GA and forcing some clubs to come to GA to keep mls next.

The SY/by thing may have pissed them off enough to end ecnl boys once and for all

I can see this happening.

It would be nice to see ECNL get a taste of the pressure they've been applying to girls clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will know more in January 2025 when the rumors of clubs leaving start floating around… my thoughts are MLSN tries to squeeze some clubs into not leaving GA and forcing some clubs to come to GA to keep mls next.

The SY/by thing may have pissed them off enough to end ecnl boys once and for all

I can see this happening.

It would be nice to see ECNL get a taste of the pressure they've been applying to girls clubs.

You think that girls clubs were pressured to leave the GA and come to the ECNL? You think they didn’t jump at the chance?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will know more in January 2025 when the rumors of clubs leaving start floating around… my thoughts are MLSN tries to squeeze some clubs into not leaving GA and forcing some clubs to come to GA to keep mls next.

The SY/by thing may have pissed them off enough to end ecnl boys once and for all

I can see this happening.

It would be nice to see ECNL get a taste of the pressure they've been applying to girls clubs.

You think that girls clubs were pressured to leave the GA and come to the ECNL? You think they didn’t jump at the chance?

lol wait till ECNL boys want a taste of mls next…

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Anonymous wrote:I think we will know more in January 2025 when the rumors of clubs leaving start floating around… my thoughts are MLSN tries to squeeze some clubs into not leaving GA and forcing some clubs to come to GA to keep mls next.

The SY/by thing may have pissed them off enough to end ecnl boys once and for all

I can see this happening.

It would be nice to see ECNL get a taste of the pressure they've been applying to girls clubs.

You think that girls clubs were pressured to leave the GA and come to the ECNL? You think they didn’t jump at the chance?

lol wait till ECNL boys want a taste of mls next…

Very easy to tell where all of you are from. Only care about the boys program. Girls program is secondary. Girls sports don’t matter. We all know the club…

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Anonymous wrote:MLS Next will soon require girls' clubs to transition from ECNL to GA, with discussions ongoing for the next 1-2 years. This could signal the end for ECNL, as the top clubs in the nation are already part of MLS Next for boys.

For ECNL clubs with strong boys' and girls' teams, it makes strategic sense to pursue joining MLS Next and GA as soon as possible, before it's too late.

Remember, MLS is aiming to dominate the youth market, and they have more resources than any other organization in the country.

I support this move, and have already made the move with my wallet a year ago knowing this was imminent. However its shortsighted to say ECNL's days are numbered. Competition is part of the american marketplace. ECNL will sit on their college soccer is the pinnacle of soccer in this country, and do just fine financially. College education is far to valued for an org like ECNL to lose its market footprint overnight. Will better soccer with a professional pathway be happening on the otherside, yes of course, but american consumers have already demonstrated that they value the IG post about the college more

disagree it may take a few years but ECNL will become irrelevant like CCL.

As long as the NCAA is in business; nope I still strongly disagree, the ECNL will stay alive. ECNL is a leech but a leech that people want to tell their friends is sucking them try, hence the ECNL hat quip. NCAA goes away and everything is club sports than maybe ECNL fades into obscurity, but will never die.

On the boys side MLS Next dominates for college recruiting. ECNL is an afterthought.

Many girls ECNL dads seem to think that MLS Next is for going pro only. This isn't the case.

But how many college opportunities are going to be left on the boys side? NCAA rosters limited to 28, and more and more of those slots going to international players, 25 year old freshmen who came up through a European academy. Marshall just played in the NCAA Men's Final - exactly three players on theior roster from the US.

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Anonymous wrote:MLS Next will soon require girls' clubs to transition from ECNL to GA, with discussions ongoing for the next 1-2 years. This could signal the end for ECNL, as the top clubs in the nation are already part of MLS Next for boys.

For ECNL clubs with strong boys' and girls' teams, it makes strategic sense to pursue joining MLS Next and GA as soon as possible, before it's too late.

Remember, MLS is aiming to dominate the youth market, and they have more resources than any other organization in the country.

I support this move, and have already made the move with my wallet a year ago knowing this was imminent. However its shortsighted to say ECNL's days are numbered. Competition is part of the american marketplace. ECNL will sit on their college soccer is the pinnacle of soccer in this country, and do just fine financially. College education is far to valued for an org like ECNL to lose its market footprint overnight. Will better soccer with a professional pathway be happening on the otherside, yes of course, but american consumers have already demonstrated that they value the IG post about the college more

disagree it may take a few years but ECNL will become irrelevant like CCL.

As long as the NCAA is in business; nope I still strongly disagree, the ECNL will stay alive. ECNL is a leech but a leech that people want to tell their friends is sucking them try, hence the ECNL hat quip. NCAA goes away and everything is club sports than maybe ECNL fades into obscurity, but will never die.

On the boys side MLS Next dominates for college recruiting. ECNL is an afterthought.

Many girls ECNL dads seem to think that MLS Next is for going pro only. This isn't the case.

But how many college opportunities are going to be left on the boys side? NCAA rosters limited to 28, and more and more of those slots going to international players, 25 year old freshmen who came up through a European academy. Marshall just played in the NCAA Men's Final - exactly three players on theior roster from the US.

And that’s why playing MLS Academy/MLSn > is 100x better than playing ECNL…

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Anonymous wrote:With how the NCAA is heading, I'm not sure that there's as going to be as much funding for non revenue sports as there once was, and soccer doesn't drive revenue in the college world.

Title 9

NCAA can't hide behind this, title 9 doesn't even do as much as people think and some look at it like a failure.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2024/college-title-ix-gender-equity-compliance-gao-report-1234778480/

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Where does USL's new womens pro league https://www.uslsuperleague.com fit in all this? 8 teams started playing this year. 8 new teams next year. Well funded and direct new competitor to NWSL.

A lot of the takes here assume all the established players remain the same. I think there is more disruption possible and need to take a wider view what could happen. It seems like if this new league were looking to establish a direct academy to pro model, GA might be a strong partner to create an alternative to the established ECNL-NCAA-NWSL system. The womens pro, college, youth landscape might look very different in a few years.