Is the future of higher ed in the South?

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

Florida, Atlanta, Austin,

Houston, Dallas, Miami, NOLA. I went to school with lots of Jewish kids in Houston.

Besides Miami all of those cities you listed have only 1-2% of the population that is Jewish.

And what's wrong with that? Isn't that on par with the total percent of population of the US?

Plus, you're fudging the numbers. See - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

Largest Jewish metro areas are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, DC, Philly, ATL, Miami, PHX.

No, I wasn’t fudging numbers. I got my numbers from Wikipedia. And my point is just that the south is not home to nearly as many Jewish people as the north. And that it’s absurd for people to view the south as more welcoming to Jewish people than the north simply because there haven’t been recent incidences of antisemitism in the south. My further point is that it’s unlikely to find as much antisemitism in a place like the south where not nearly as many Jewish people as it is in the north, where many more Jewish people live now and many more have historically lived.

Well, not entirely historically. The first two Jewish Senators (*) left the US Government in 1861 because they joined the Confederacy; one became the Secretary of the Navy, the other Secretary of War, and then Secretary of State. This is partially why Tulane ("Jewlane") is 44% Jewish.

(*) David Levy Yulee started Jewish but converted to Christianity; Judah P. Benjamin was Jewish throughout his life.

jews have a long history in the south. on a per capita basis, it was more common for jews in the south to own slaves than gentile whites

40% of jews nationwide owned slaves in the antebellum period

This is true and still doesn’t refute the fact that way more Jewish people live in the north than the south.

sure - right now -- but history is long and jews are historically less 'place based' than most people. if the south provides a better environment for jews, they will slowly move over generations to the south from the north

Right now and for the entire history of the us. Come on. I know a lot of Jewish people. No one is moving south. It’s not a trend I can see catching on in most Jewish communities.

Um...southern Florida would like a word.

So would Atlanta

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

Florida, Atlanta, Austin,

Houston, Dallas, Miami, NOLA. I went to school with lots of Jewish kids in Houston.

Me too

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For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

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Anonymous wrote:They also know how to keep a campus safe and secure in the south.

Can you explain what the magic formula is? Who is this mysterious "they"?
We know about Southern states banning books, discussions on racism and of course limiting women's access to healthcare. Is that what you are referring to? I hardly think those students are safe.
Many Southern schools are completely incapable of dealing with rape (all colleges are bad but my point is that Southern schools are no better).

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Higher Ed and The South is an oxymoron.

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

Florida, Atlanta, Austin,

Houston, Dallas, Miami, NOLA. I went to school with lots of Jewish kids in Houston.

Besides Miami all of those cities you listed have only 1-2% of the population that is Jewish.

And what's wrong with that? Isn't that on par with the total percent of population of the US?

Plus, you're fudging the numbers. See - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

Largest Jewish metro areas are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, DC, Philly, ATL, Miami, PHX.

No, I wasn’t fudging numbers. I got my numbers from Wikipedia. And my point is just that the south is not home to nearly as many Jewish people as the north. And that it’s absurd for people to view the south as more welcoming to Jewish people than the north simply because there haven’t been recent incidences of antisemitism in the south. My further point is that it’s unlikely to find as much antisemitism in a place like the south where not nearly as many Jewish people as it is in the north, where many more Jewish people live now and many more have historically lived.

Well, not entirely historically. The first two Jewish Senators (*) left the US Government in 1861 because they joined the Confederacy; one became the Secretary of the Navy, the other Secretary of War, and then Secretary of State. This is partially why Tulane ("Jewlane") is 44% Jewish.

(*) David Levy Yulee started Jewish but converted to Christianity; Judah P. Benjamin was Jewish throughout his life.

jews have a long history in the south. on a per capita basis, it was more common for jews in the south to own slaves than gentile whites

40% of jews nationwide owned slaves in the antebellum period

This is true and still doesn’t refute the fact that way more Jewish people live in the north than the south.

sure - right now -- but history is long and jews are historically less 'place based' than most people. if the south provides a better environment for jews, they will slowly move over generations to the south from the north

Right now and for the entire history of the us. Come on. I know a lot of Jewish people. No one is moving south. It’s not a trend I can see catching on in most Jewish communities.

Um...southern Florida would like a word.

As has been stated multiple times in this thread, south Florida is an exception to the not many Jews in the South fact.

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I want each of you posters arguing that the south is the accepting land of opportunity for Jews to read a f#%^n history book and while you’re at it, ask some actual Jewish people if they’re thinking of moving to the Deep South (NOT south Florida) anytime soon to escape antisemitism. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve seen lately on DCUM and that’s really saying something…

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

I know I thought I was! Have two kids, have an Ob-Gyn unwilling to tie my tubes at 30 (too young, you might change your mind— looking back, what an a**), get an IUD, and don’t worry about it for 5 years. Most reliable BC besides sterilization. And yet, less than a year later I was rushed to the ER hemorrhaging internally from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. I lost regular periods on the IUD and had no idea I was even pregnant. And when IUDs fail, that’s what happens. I guess at least I was in VA, where I didn’t even hear the word abortion as they ran me into surgery at 1 am? And not a red state in 2024 where treatment would have been denied until the hospital layer signed off (I’m a lawyer, and the thought of lawyers making medical calls terrifies me BTW. We are 100% unqualified to make medical judgment calls.).

Yes- birth controls fails. And sometimes in ways that put the woman’s life in danger.

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

I know I thought I was! Have two kids, have an Ob-Gyn unwilling to tie my tubes at 30 (too young, you might change your mind— looking back, what an a**), get an IUD, and don’t worry about it for 5 years. Most reliable BC besides sterilization. And yet, less than a year later I was rushed to the ER hemorrhaging internally from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy. I lost regular periods on the IUD and had no idea I was even pregnant. And when IUDs fail, that’s what happens. I guess at least I was in VA, where I didn’t even hear the word abortion as they ran me into surgery at 1 am? And not a red state in 2024 where treatment would have been denied until the hospital layer signed off (I’m a lawyer, and the thought of lawyers making medical calls terrifies me BTW. We are 100% unqualified to make medical judgment calls.).

Yes- birth controls fails. And sometimes in ways that put the woman’s life in danger.

Glad you are ok. And thank you for sharing your story. This is exactly what terrifies me for my daughters. And why any states with crazy draconian laws wrt women’s health are just not an option for us.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Jew, my kid will be primarily looking at Southern schools. The anti-semitism just isn't baked in, like in CA and Northeast schools. Why put up with that for 4 years?

The only reason anti semitism isn’t “baked in” in the south though is because there aren’t nearly as many Jewish people in the south, not because southerners aren’t as anti semitic.

Ha ha. Nope. Lots of Jews in the South, especially in cities. But the teaching at the Southern schools isn't as centered on decolonialist antifa psychosis as it is in the NE, CA. I'm an academic and I am very aware of where they are inculcating Franz Fanon & the like. Anti-semites are everywhere, but the academy is far more rational in the South.

Other than south florida, where are these mythical southern Jewish people living? I grew up in a major city in the Deep South and had extended family I visited regularly in 2 other major southern cities. I didn’t meet a single Jewish person until I went to college in Chicago.

Florida, Atlanta, Austin,

Houston, Dallas, Miami, NOLA. I went to school with lots of Jewish kids in Houston.

Besides Miami all of those cities you listed have only 1-2% of the population that is Jewish.

And what's wrong with that? Isn't that on par with the total percent of population of the US?

Plus, you're fudging the numbers. See - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/largest-jewish-populated-metropolitan-areas-united-states

Largest Jewish metro areas are NYC, LA, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, DC, Philly, ATL, Miami, PHX.

No, I wasn’t fudging numbers. I got my numbers from Wikipedia. And my point is just that the south is not home to nearly as many Jewish people as the north. And that it’s absurd for people to view the south as more welcoming to Jewish people than the north simply because there haven’t been recent incidences of antisemitism in the south. My further point is that it’s unlikely to find as much antisemitism in a place like the south where not nearly as many Jewish people as it is in the north, where many more Jewish people live now and many more have historically lived.

Well, not entirely historically. The first two Jewish Senators (*) left the US Government in 1861 because they joined the Confederacy; one became the Secretary of the Navy, the other Secretary of War, and then Secretary of State. This is partially why Tulane ("Jewlane") is 44% Jewish.

(*) David Levy Yulee started Jewish but converted to Christianity; Judah P. Benjamin was Jewish throughout his life.

jews have a long history in the south. on a per capita basis, it was more common for jews in the south to own slaves than gentile whites

40% of jews nationwide owned slaves in the antebellum period

This is true and still doesn’t refute the fact that way more Jewish people live in the north than the south.

sure - right now -- but history is long and jews are historically less 'place based' than most people. if the south provides a better environment for jews, they will slowly move over generations to the south from the north

Right now and for the entire history of the us. Come on. I know a lot of Jewish people. No one is moving south. It’s not a trend I can see catching on in most Jewish communities.

Um...southern Florida would like a word.

It’s been known as a retirement spot for Jewish retirees and every other retiree. Boca Raton comes to mind.

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

High school and college are the demographics that have abortions the most because of unwanted pregnancies. Men should be capable too but they almost always are not.

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Anonymous wrote:I want each of you posters arguing that the south is the accepting land of opportunity for Jews to read a f#%^n history book and while you’re at it, ask some actual Jewish people if they’re thinking of moving to the Deep South (NOT south Florida) anytime soon to escape antisemitism. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve seen lately on DCUM and that’s really saying something…

According to Brandeis …

The U.S. Jewish population is concentrated in a few number of states and metropolitan areas. Over 60% of American Jews live in just six states. Slightly over 20% resides in New York State, 14% in California, followed by 12% in Florida; 8% in New Jersey; and 5% each in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania.

I can see non religious Jews and non religious people in general moving somewhere different but ones that want a community and local synagogue will probably stay in the Northeast or Florida when retired.

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Anonymous wrote:For female students, the South is pretty dangerous. They'd have very little say in their own healthcare - even in the case of a life-threatening emergency.

For males - it's a little easier. However, my son and his cousin had a conversation the other day about how they think they'd have a hard time going to college in a red state. I was proud of them for really thinking it through. My son is being recruited at many schools in red states. The schools are progressive enough that he'd feel comfortable there and luckily, as a male, he just has more options than his female classmates.

Most girls and women are capable enough to figure out birth control.

+1 Seriously. I can't get over the number of posters here whose top priority seems to be the availability of abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:I want each of you posters arguing that the south is the accepting land of opportunity for Jews to read a f#%^n history book and while you’re at it, ask some actual Jewish people if they’re thinking of moving to the Deep South (NOT south Florida) anytime soon to escape antisemitism. This is the most bizarre argument I’ve seen lately on DCUM and that’s really saying something…

At exactly how many southern universities do you see Palestinian flags waving and being erected on school buildings, Jewish students being bullied and/or assaulted, etc? Jewish students and families are welcomed in the south.