is a J.D. considered a master's degree or a doctoral degree?

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Esquire is a title used to address people, not to refer to oneself. IOW, you put it on correspondence addressed to someone, but do not sign anything as "Esq."

That would be huge news to 90% of the lawyers in DC, who do, in fact, sign with an Esq. after their own names.

Most lawyers in large firms in DC definitely DO NOT sign their names as Esq. It is used in the address to block of a letter, but NOT to be used to refer to oneself in that way. In other states they may do it differently, but in DC it marks you as working for an unsophisticated law firm, or young and pretentious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The OP of this thread asked this question so she would know which box to check on a job application 9 YEARS AGO! She has either gotten the job or not gotten the job by now. She's probably quit and moved on to two other jobs since then.

OP is probably a judge somewhere with a HS degree!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The OP of this thread asked this question so she would know which box to check on a job application 9 YEARS AGO! She has either gotten the job or not gotten the job by now. She's probably quit and moved on to two other jobs since then.

OP is probably a judge somewhere with a HS degree!

Or maybe solving the middle east, opioid, incarceration, impeachment *cough*, immigration, and government efficiency issues.

[Anonymous]

Neither, it's a separate and distinct degree.

[Anonymous]

JD (3 years) = LLB (4 years); LL.M. in a civil law system is three years full time and the LL.M. in American common law is only one year.

In the U.S.and across the world, LL.M. and JSD or Ph.D. are higher than a JD. My American common law professor told me that JD is a practical field and the LL.M., SJD or Ph.D. are academic fields.

All my American law professors hold only a JD degree and they teach JD and LL.M. students, but they supervise SJD or Ph.D. students. They address their students as "doctor" after their students graduated with an SJD or Ph.D.

Btw, it is not proper to address JD as doctor, but those people with an SJD or Ph.D. worth addressing them as doctor because they deserve it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: JD (3 years) = LLB (4 years); LL.M. in a civil law system is three years full time and the LL.M. in American common law is only one year.

In the U.S.and across the world, LL.M. and JSD or Ph.D. are higher than a JD. My American common law professor told me that JD is a practical field and the LL.M., SJD or Ph.D. are academic fields.

All my American law professors hold only a JD degree and they teach JD and LL.M. students, but they supervise SJD or Ph.D. students. They address their students as "doctor" after their students graduated with an SJD or Ph.D.

Btw, it is not proper to address JD as doctor, but those people with an SJD or Ph.D. worth addressing them as doctor because they deserve it.

JD is a 3 yrs program. So for those JDs with only a HS degree, they fall below 4 yr college, i.e., JD<BA. Unless they are so precocious, they were able to go straight to JD skipping a regular BA degree.

[Anonymous]

So I think what the above poster is trying to say is that JD always comes after a BA/BS in the US. A person with a JD has 7 years of education beyond high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I think what the above poster is trying to say is that JD always comes after a BA/BS in the US. A person with a JD has 7 years of education beyond high school.

A college degree is not required for a JD.

[Anonymous]

In the United States, a college degree is required before law school There are a couple of states where you can “read for the law” instead of going to law school and become a member of that state bar if you pass the bar exam. You still need a college degree for that as well.

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Anonymous wrote:So I think what the above poster is trying to say is that JD always comes after a BA/BS in the US. A person with a JD has 7 years of education beyond high school.

A college degree is not required for a JD.

In the US, a college degree is required to have a JD. Name one US law school that admits students without an undergraduate degree. In some states you can practice law without a bachelors or JD, but those people aren't awarded a JD, they are just qualified to practice law in that state. I hope I'm wrong and you're right, because then I'll save a lot on college for my DC who claims to want to be a lawyer. DC wants to practicecin the US. Please educate me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I think what the above poster is trying to say is that JD always comes after a BA/BS in the US. A person with a JD has 7 years of education beyond high school.

A college degree is not required for a JD.

In the US, a college degree is required to have a JD. Name one US law school that admits students without an undergraduate degree. In some states you can practice law without a bachelors or JD, but those people aren't awarded a JD, they are just qualified to practice law in that state. I hope I'm wrong and you're right, because then I'll save a lot on college for my DC who claims to want to be a lawyer. DC wants to practicecin the US. Please educate me.

And those law licenses are not transferable to other states, if you don't have a JD. California lets people take the baby bar and then sit for the bar exam without a JD, but if you don't have a JD, you can't be admitted to practice in many other states. Some states allow you to practice without the JD and a California license, if you have 5-7 years of experience as an attorney.

[Anonymous]

It's a practice graduate degree like getting a master's level nurse practitioner or a masters' level counselor or a physician's assistant. MD training is more involved, but it's a similar type of degree. None of these are academic graduate degrees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So I think what the above poster is trying to say is that JD always comes after a BA/BS in the US. A person with a JD has 7 years of education beyond high school.

A college degree is not required for a JD.

In the US, a college degree is required to have a JD. Name one US law school that admits students without an undergraduate degree. In some states you can practice law without a bachelors or JD, but those people aren't awarded a JD, they are just qualified to practice law in that state. I hope I'm wrong and you're right, because then I'll save a lot on college for my DC who claims to want to be a lawyer. DC wants to practicecin the US. Please educate me.

Not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Esquire is a title used to address people, not to refer to oneself. IOW, you put it on correspondence addressed to someone, but do not sign anything as "Esq."

That would be huge news to 90% of the lawyers in DC, who do, in fact, sign with an Esq. after their own names.

Most lawyers in large firms in DC definitely DO NOT sign their names as Esq. It is used in the address to block of a letter, but NOT to be used to refer to oneself in that way. In other states they may do it differently, but in DC it marks you as working for an unsophisticated law firm, or young and pretentious.

I know thousands of lawyers and have never once seen one identify themselves as an "Esq."

[Anonymous]

Will someone please kill this thread