Families that never volunteer - swim team

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Respectfully, getting out of your own head and helping others is exactly what you need.

Helping a wealthy swim club is not exactly going to help. And trust me, you don't want a slow person doing much of anything.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

I don't get parents who pressure their kids to ge ta scholarship vs. saving for college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

I don't get parents who pressure their kids to ge ta scholarship vs. saving for college.

Are you dense?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

But this isn’t about club. This is about summer swim. Club is a totally different ball of wax. More money less volunteering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

I don't get parents who pressure their kids to ge ta scholarship vs. saving for college.

He has his dad's GI Bill. He swam and got the scholarship because he enjoyed it and was good at it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There must be some reason NVSL is one of the largest , oldest and most successful swim leagues in the country, with MCSL up there as well. It’s also probably not a coincidence that this area punches well above its weight in terms of producing high quality swimmers considering we are not in Florida or California.

Yes, the reason is called “segregation”. Private pools developed in the south as a result of white people wanting to keep their pools segregated. Wealthy, politically powerful, highly motivated white people poured money and time into their clubs and created one of the largest, most successful summer swim leagues that is still pretty minority free. I guess this is what we call success.

Then shouldn’t Deep South areas have many swim leagues as successful as this ?

They do. But everyone here is so myopic and provincial and they think nothing could be as totally awesome as nvsl.

For example, the Louisville summer swim league has 3000 swimmers as compared to 1000 in nvsl.

According to NVSL website, there are 17,000 swimmers, five times Louisville's.

North Texas is about the same size. While the nvsl is complaining about which rinky dink swim club will hold its all stars meets, how there’s not enough parking there, and people hog the bleachers, the Atlanta summer swim hosts at the Georgia tech natatorium. That is big time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There must be some reason NVSL is one of the largest , oldest and most successful swim leagues in the country, with MCSL up there as well. It’s also probably not a coincidence that this area punches well above its weight in terms of producing high quality swimmers considering we are not in Florida or California.

Yes, the reason is called “segregation”. Private pools developed in the south as a result of white people wanting to keep their pools segregated. Wealthy, politically powerful, highly motivated white people poured money and time into their clubs and created one of the largest, most successful summer swim leagues that is still pretty minority free. I guess this is what we call success.

Then shouldn’t Deep South areas have many swim leagues as successful as this ?

They do. But everyone here is so myopic and provincial and they think nothing could be as totally awesome as nvsl.

For example, the Louisville summer swim league has 3000 swimmers as compared to 1000 in nvsl.

According to NVSL website, there are 17,000 swimmers, five times Louisville's.

North Texas is about the same size. While the nvsl is complaining about which rinky dink swim club will hold its all stars meets, how there’s not enough parking there, and people hog the bleachers, the Atlanta summer swim hosts at the Georgia tech natatorium. That is big time.

That would be cool. Is there something like that around here ? But even if there were , would a 1900 seat natatorium even be big enough to host all star relays? It’s something like 1000+ swimmers plus all their families.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

I don't get parents who pressure their kids to ge ta scholarship vs. saving for college.

He has his dad's GI Bill. He swam and got the scholarship because he enjoyed it and was good at it.

I’m still not understanding your point. What does volunteering have to do with swimming in college? And you must not be local to DC because swimming in high school doesn’t lead to college scholarships. Swimming club is the main path. High school is just a fun thing to do, similar to summer swim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Respectfully, getting out of your own head and helping others is exactly what you need.

What if it's not just in her head? You don't know.

You don't know if she has cancer, chronic daily migraines, somebody dying, a wrecking ball hit her house, divorcing, working 75 hours a week, tied up volunteering to give impoverished kids free surgeries to correct birth defects or representing battered women in court, or is some top secret CIA mixed martial arts lady in the middle of fighting some foreign adversary dude hanging off a balcony like Jason Bourne. You just don't know.

I've got one of those issues daily and have had multiple of those issues at one time and I find ways to volunteer at home. And, sure, its great to be a surgeon volunteering or a lawyer volunteering your time to help others, but that shouldn't be at the expense of your kids, who also need your attention and support and part of that is if you have them summer swim and the expectation is you help out there, since you are such a generous and giving person, no reason you cannot help out on swim team. Really, its less than two months.

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Anonymous wrote:The entitlement on this thread is insane. The fact remains that summer swim teams rely on many volunteers throughout the season. If everyone said f it, this team takes the volunteer commitment too seriously, then it won’t happen. The team shuts down.

What’s wrong with showing and investing in your kids’ activities? Summer swim is a community thing, invest in it or don’t participate.

Always the same parents that step up to help. It’s a shame, what are you teaching your children?

So selfish.

It's a bandwidth thing. Thankfully our team isn't run by people like you.

Your team is run by volunteers like PP and me, and we all have important jobs and a million other things to do. The difference is that we invest our time and effort in our communities and our kids, while you don’t. Maybe get off DCUM and do something productive with your time.

I can't. I literally can't. I would if I could. Does attacking a struggling person make you feel better?

Please. Team rep here: we have a woman on our team whose husband traveled for work most of the time and she had two parents in hospice in her home with no backup help. If she volunteered, you can volunteer.

It's not about time. But keep judging. Our team doesn't care, and since older DS is getting a scholarship out of it...your hate is meaningless and will catch up with you one day.

A scholarship out of what?? What kind of scholarship? Certainly not a college scholarship as a result of summer swim!!

Club led to varsity which led to a D1 scholarship, yes.

I don't get parents who pressure their kids to ge ta scholarship vs. saving for college.

He has his dad's GI Bill. He swam and got the scholarship because he enjoyed it and was good at it.

I’m still not understanding your point. What does volunteering have to do with swimming in college? And you must not be local to DC because swimming in high school doesn’t lead to college scholarships. Swimming club is the main path. High school is just a fun thing to do, similar to summer swim.

Just to a paid confusion- what percentage scholarship did he get from swimming? (I know a lot of DI swimmers and I know that “a scholarship” almost always means less than 40 percent off of tuition)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There must be some reason NVSL is one of the largest , oldest and most successful swim leagues in the country, with MCSL up there as well. It’s also probably not a coincidence that this area punches well above its weight in terms of producing high quality swimmers considering we are not in Florida or California.

Yes, the reason is called “segregation”. Private pools developed in the south as a result of white people wanting to keep their pools segregated. Wealthy, politically powerful, highly motivated white people poured money and time into their clubs and created one of the largest, most successful summer swim leagues that is still pretty minority free. I guess this is what we call success.

Then shouldn’t Deep South areas have many swim leagues as successful as this ?

They do. But everyone here is so myopic and provincial and they think nothing could be as totally awesome as nvsl.

For example, the Louisville summer swim league has 3000 swimmers as compared to 1000 in nvsl.

According to NVSL website, there are 17,000 swimmers, five times Louisville's.

North Texas is about the same size. While the nvsl is complaining about which rinky dink swim club will hold its all stars meets, how there’s not enough parking there, and people hog the bleachers, the Atlanta summer swim hosts at the Georgia tech natatorium. That is big time.

Yes nvsl should rent out GMU or saint James, it's really stupid to use another clubs pool

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There must be some reason NVSL is one of the largest , oldest and most successful swim leagues in the country, with MCSL up there as well. It’s also probably not a coincidence that this area punches well above its weight in terms of producing high quality swimmers considering we are not in Florida or California.

Yes, the reason is called “segregation”. Private pools developed in the south as a result of white people wanting to keep their pools segregated. Wealthy, politically powerful, highly motivated white people poured money and time into their clubs and created one of the largest, most successful summer swim leagues that is still pretty minority free. I guess this is what we call success.

Then shouldn’t Deep South areas have many swim leagues as successful as this ?

They do. But everyone here is so myopic and provincial and they think nothing could be as totally awesome as nvsl.

For example, the Louisville summer swim league has 3000 swimmers as compared to 1000 in nvsl.

According to NVSL website, there are 17,000 swimmers, five times Louisville's.

North Texas is about the same size. While the nvsl is complaining about which rinky dink swim club will hold its all stars meets, how there’s not enough parking there, and people hog the bleachers, the Atlanta summer swim hosts at the Georgia tech natatorium. That is big time.

Yes nvsl should rent out GMU or saint James, it's really stupid to use another clubs pool

How much would that cost?

[Anonymous]

On college scholarships for sports and swimming, this article is _extremely_ eye-opening. For those in other professions, this comes from a high-level industry publication for higher education:

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-myth-of-the-sports-scholarship/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On college scholarships for sports and swimming, this article is _extremely_ eye-opening. For those in other professions, this comes from a high-level industry publication for higher education:

https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-myth-of-the-sports-scholarship/

I’ve seen that article before. It is definitely a worthwhile read especially for those with younger star swimmers. It does gloss over a bit that her achievements tapered when she hit her teen years (not atypical for a lot of kids whose body doesn’t develop the right way for swimming). It highlights her early achievements without talking much of her later years. If you look at her times, she was a consistent top 5 NVSL girl early on, but then fell off.