D.C. needs to get a lot more car friendly

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

Here is the 2020 data. Note the negative numbers showing a decline in ridership during the first year of the pandemic, in contrast to the 2022 numbers, which are positive because ridership is increasing. https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/Ridership-Monitoring-Archive-2020.cfm

Jesus. What is wrong with you. The numbers are the numbers. There was not a single day between Monday, February 21 and Friday, February 25 that rail ridership was above 2021 levels. Weekday ridership that week ranged from 42% to 88% of the same week in 2021. That is not more. Year over year, ridership is also lower.

The claim was that "2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021" which is just a lie. Then there has just been more lies on top of lies. I am not sure what is wrong with you, but it is seriously troubling.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

Here is the 2020 data. Note the negative numbers showing a decline in ridership during the first year of the pandemic, in contrast to the 2022 numbers, which are positive because ridership is increasing. https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/Ridership-Monitoring-Archive-2020.cfm

Jesus. What is wrong with you. The numbers are the numbers. There was not a single day between Monday, February 21 and Friday, February 25 that rail ridership was above 2021 levels. Weekday ridership that week ranged from 42% to 88% of the same week in 2021. That is not more. Year over year, ridership is also lower.

The claim was that "2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021" which is just a lie. Then there has just been more lies on top of lies. I am not sure what is wrong with you, but it is seriously troubling.

On Monday, February 21, 2022, Metrorail ridership was 104,000. On Monday, February 22, 2021, Metrorail ridership was 73,000. That means more people are riding Metro in 2022 than in 2021.

Feel free to cross-reference 2022 numbers: https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/Covid-19-Public-Information.cfm with 2021 numbers: https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/Ridership-Monitoring-Archive-2021.cfm

Why do you bother lying about something that is so easily verified? Is this how you get your kicks?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems sort of obvious that OP has not taken metro recently. There are a lot of people taking metro during the work week. It’s not shoulder to shoulder but there are plenty of commuters.

What kind of bumper to bumper traffic would there be with cheap parking? That’s the least of it. People need to actually learn how to drive properly. I swear it seems like drivers around DC metro found their drivers license in a cereal box rather than actually take a drivers Ed class.

The signals have to be timed, DC Police and suburban police have to start ticketing aggressively all the drivers who block the intersection just so they can “make the light” yet block the box with their cars so that now the cross traffic that has the green light is blocked. This creates an immense web of traffic out to the beltway, yet nothing is done to diminish it.

Why do people make posts like this when the data is publicly available. 4 out of 5 days last week less people took Metrorail than in 2021.

I notice that a lot of this cyclist, anti-car stuff is frequently either anecdote over data or misuse/misunderstanding of induced demand.

nP - Most of the data that I’ve seen shows that 2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021. Not close to prepandemic levels, but on the increase nonetheless. Where are you seeing otherwise?

Fwiw - I rode the metro this weekend - first time since the start of the pandemic - and I was surprised by both how many people were riding and by how smoothly it all went. It was perfectly fine. If I had to commute in daily, I’d probably be taking the metro, especially if they get back to a regular schedule. With gas prices going up (and parking already up at the lot by my office), metro looks more and more appealing

Just proving my point. You could not be more wrong. You must be making up “data” in your own head. It’s like there is an imaginary world where the cyclist/urbanists live that is completely divorced from the real world.

The fact is that 2021 was a terrible year for WMATA and 2022 is worse.

Here is the most recent week available.
https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/covid-19-public-information.cfm

Change vs. 2021

Date Rail Adjusted Bus Rail Bus
2/26/22 Sa 118,000 134,000 136% 27%
2/25/22 Fr 160,000 219,000 72% 36%
2/24/22 Th 159,000 212,000 82% 32%
2/23/22 We 170,000 233,000 88% 39%
2/22/22 Tu 157,000 215,000 84% 38%
2/21/22 Mo 104,000 152,000 42% 17%
2/20/22 Su 88,000 113,000 159% 50%

You are welcome to join us in the real world or you can continue to live in your own collective fantasy.

Ummmm....that's actually showing that the rail ridership has increased from 2021 to 2022. In February 2021, the average daily rail ridership was about 78,100 (averaged across both weekends and weekdays). The bus ridership has increased as well, but not as dramatically. Percent change is calculated as (V2-V1)/V1 *100 V2 = 2022 data, V1 = 2021 data. Any positive percentage means an increase.

If you go to the rail ridership year over year data portal, you can see the ridership increase in graphic format. https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Rail-Ridership-Change-Data-Portal.cfm

You literally are the definition of a stupid person that pretends to be smart. Or you’re just have some psychological problem that requires you to lie. I’m not sure why, but it’s truly bizarre and please seek help.

Here is the 2020 data. Note the negative numbers showing a decline in ridership during the first year of the pandemic, in contrast to the 2022 numbers, which are positive because ridership is increasing. https://www.wmata.com/service/covid19/Ridership-Monitoring-Archive-2020.cfm

Jesus. What is wrong with you. The numbers are the numbers. There was not a single day between Monday, February 21 and Friday, February 25 that rail ridership was above 2021 levels. Weekday ridership that week ranged from 42% to 88% of the same week in 2021. That is not more. Year over year, ridership is also lower.

The claim was that "2022 ridership is up significantly over 2021" which is just a lie. Then there has just been more lies on top of lies. I am not sure what is wrong with you, but it is seriously troubling.

You are reading this wrong. When it says 42%, it means ridership increased 42%. See in places where ridership decreased, the number includes a minus sign, like “-12%.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to make metro free, that’s its only hope.

Would you seriously suggest that for NYC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to make metro free, that’s its only hope.

Would you seriously suggest that for NYC?

[Anonymous]

DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

Yes. And then most of those young and educated professionals ditch the District when it comes time for a family, more space, less crime, and better schools.

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Anonymous wrote:DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

You seem to have fallen asleep for a couple years and just woke up.

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Anonymous wrote:DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

Yes. And then most of those young and educated professionals ditch the District when it comes time for a family, more space, less crime, and better schools.

Who cares? They still aren't using cares while they are here and are better served by resources devoted to transport and ped/ bike infrastructure rather than more space for cars.

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Anonymous wrote:DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

DC’s population decreased 3% in 2021, the largest % decrease of any state in the country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

Yes. And then most of those young and educated professionals ditch the District when it comes time for a family, more space, less crime, and better schools.

Who cares? They still aren't using cares while they are here and are better served by resources devoted to transport and ped/ bike infrastructure rather than more space for cars.

Just my anecdote but I'm seeing a lot more family biking with those big boxy things.

Also, my kids bike around with me. Older kids bike around together in the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCs population has grown every single year, while car ownership levels have stayed the same or decresed. So folks are still moving here, especially young, educated professionals which is what every jurisdiction wants.

DC’s population decreased 3% in 2021, the largest % decrease of any state in the country.

Population decreased in 2020 too.

[Anonymous]

Too many cars on Conn Ave driving too fast and our cowardly city leaders fighting every request to put bollards up along the curbs to protect non drivers. And of course, the MPD commander in charge shows up to reassure everyone that it was only an accident. Well that will make me feel much better that when my family is mowed down by drivers on Conn Ave while eating lunch on a bright sunny day that it will be just an accident and nothing will ever be done to prevent it again.

All you DC drivers who whine and cry about DC not being car friendly enough have blood on your hands. F you.

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Two dead after driver crashes into Parthenon restaurant in D.C.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/03/11/chevy-chase-crash-parthenon/

Two women died and at least nine other people were injured when the driver of a small SUV crashed into patrons outside a restaurant along Connecticut Avenue in Northwest Washington at lunchtime Friday, according to D.C. police and fire officials.

[Anonymous]

Dude peeled out of the gas station and rammed across 6 lanes of traffic right into the outdoor seating across the street.

[Anonymous]

Let’s see if I understand correctly. It’s Chevy Chase, DC, near MD border. An elderly white man. Not speeding. DC plates. Reportedly mistook the gas and the brake. This situation has zero resemblance to anything being discussed in this thread.

Sounds like an administrative failure. DC needs to get more vigilant about getting elderly drivers off the road.