Tell me about St Andrews in Scotland

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, good analogy for Edinburg being equivalent to Michigan about 10 slots below Vanderbilt and Edinburg about 10 slots below St Andrews.

Okay, clown.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting back and forth between the American and English view of St Andrews. I think that this comes down to a matter of national pride.

The English are still stinging from the need to return the Stone of Scone (or Destiny) to Scotland in the mid 90s. So Scotland can’t have anything on par to what the English possess.

In looking at the various university rating systems, of which none are perfect. I think it is fairer to compare St Andrews to Vanderbilt or Brown rather than Northeastern or Elon.

LOL, sure. Except Edinburg is probably ~Michigan, and it's light years stronger than St. Andrews, so...

Michigan Technological University, maybe..

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting back and forth between the American and English view of St Andrews. I think that this comes down to a matter of national pride.

The English are still stinging from the need to return the Stone of Scone (or Destiny) to Scotland in the mid 90s. So Scotland can’t have anything on par to what the English possess.

In looking at the various university rating systems, of which none are perfect. I think it is fairer to compare St Andrews to Vanderbilt or Brown rather than Northeastern or Elon.

I echo a PP who pointed out some of you are talking out of your a@@ with nothing to back it up. Like this comment about the Stone of Scone. *No one* in England ever thinks about it.

St. Andrews is a perfectly fine, even excellent university in a great university town. Newly minted grads flock to London along with grads of all the top universities in Britain.

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Potomac student matriculated at Imperial in 2021. So it has some local recognition. Also seems to have 1 StA matriculation most years.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

+1 Making it sound like the four year degree Master's was one of the many ways that St. Andrews marketed itself with american studnts and foreign . Now just try and take that applicaton to Oxbridge for a DPhil

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

1. It's "straight"
2. No you cannot you need an MA / MSc or MPhil

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St Andrews is very underrated because people try to compare it to Oxbridge for ranking. You'll have a really nice undergrad experience and a solid education in a lovely college town. Oxford is a tourist circus and Cambridge isn't half as nice as St Andrews.

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If its good enough for future king and queen of England, its good enough for most of us.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

1. It's "straight"
2. No you cannot you need an MA / MSc or MPhil

That is false. You do not need a masters or MPhil to apply to a doctorate or DPhil program

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Anonymous wrote:St Andrews is very underrated because people try to compare it to Oxbridge for ranking. You'll have a really nice undergrad experience and a solid education in a lovely college town. Oxford is a tourist circus and Cambridge isn't half as nice as St Andrews.

St. Andrew’s is a great traditional undergrad university. Its particular strong in Int. relations. Several years ago Princeton tried to unsuccessfully poach two IR professors from St. Andrew’s. However, U Edinburgh is the top overall research powerhouse in Scotland.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

1. It's "straight"
2. No you cannot you need an MA / MSc or MPhil

That is false. You do not need a masters or MPhil to apply to a doctorate or DPhil program

Where? At a podunk college in the US maybe but no where in the UK will accept you.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

1. It's "straight"
2. No you cannot you need an MA / MSc or MPhil

That is false. You do not need a masters or MPhil to apply to a doctorate or DPhil program

Where? At a podunk college in the US maybe but no where in the UK will accept you.

Hmm. I know a few UK folks who went from a STEM ugrad degree at a good UKk university who went into a DPhil in the same STEM field at Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, UCL, and others.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

1. It's "straight"
2. No you cannot you need an MA / MSc or MPhil

That is false. You do not need a masters or MPhil to apply to a doctorate or DPhil program

Where? At a podunk college in the US maybe but no where in the UK will accept you.

Hmm. I know a few UK folks who went from a STEM ugrad degree at a good UKk university who went into a DPhil in the same STEM field at Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, UCL, and others.

Nonsense. Absolute bull crap.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

1. It's "straight"
2. No you cannot you need an MA / MSc or MPhil

That is false. You do not need a masters or MPhil to apply to a doctorate or DPhil program

Where? At a podunk college in the US maybe but no where in the UK will accept you.

Hmm. I know a few UK folks who went from a STEM ugrad degree at a good UKk university who went into a DPhil in the same STEM field at Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, UCL, and others.

Nonsense. Absolute bull crap.

DP, no my kid did it as well.

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Anonymous wrote:if you go on /6thform or thestudentroom, you can read posts by hundreds of British students who pick SA over other schools save Oxford or Cambridge.

My DD is an undergraduate student at a UK uni (not St Andrews). When I asked her about the opinion of the English re: St Andrews she noted that what she had heard was that they weren't too keen to spend four years on a degree that would only take three years to earn in England. I understand that Scotland subsidizes the fourth year for English students but it is still an additional year of study.

Well you and your DD are mis-informed. When you graduate from a Scottish university you do so with an MA or an MSc because of that extra year, it's not 3 years spread across 4, it is a further year of learning, hence the higher degree you leave with.

Not misinformed. It is still considered an undergraduate qualification. No extra credit given. My DC's Cambridge undergraduate degree turns into a MA by right after a few years but no one actually considers it to be a postgraduate degree.

If you do single honours in Scotland, you can enter a PhD course in your field, both in the UK and in the US. So, it is in fact a masters degree.

OMG - you can go strait to a PhD with a three-year undergraduate course. You really need to stop.

+1 Making it sound like the four year degree Master's was one of the many ways that St. Andrews marketed itself with american studnts and foreign . Now just try and take that applicaton to Oxbridge for a DPhil

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