What are your working conditions? If we reopen the economy are you going to be exposed to people or will you continue teleworking and social distancing while others take the risk? There is a big difference between a quick trip to the grocery store and all day, every day, exposure to the public. |
Not really. Testing allows us to know what areas are "clean" and what areas are infected. It allows us to know who already has antibodies and who is an asymptomatic carrier. That is not useless information. It is information that can help maintain safety and also "open up parts of the economy." |
Great. Go ahead and lead the way. I am glad to have you as a volunteer test subject. |
| We lack willpower. We obviously have gone soft. The people of the Great Depression would smack us silly if they saw us whining about this. |
Isn't it apparent by the number of people who aren't social distancing, that many don't see going out under these current conditions as nearly as scary as you do? |
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I think the words "open up" are very subjective. It's all about what those words mean, right? The "open up" can definitely happen, but it needs to be gradual and with the use of testing for those with high public contact (retail and restaurants). People seem to want retail to open and that needs to be monitored. I think we can all agree that crowded bars and big events where people mingle will not be reopening soon. There is some middle ground here. The schools are definitely a problem because those are crowded places. There may be some innovative way to bring students to school on a rotating schedule in order to keep the school less crowded at any given time, but many school events would not be allowed even in such a scenario. Plenty of older teachers would be reticent about working with students because it's really hard to socially distance when trying to help students. Just my two cents. |
Driving isn't a virus that spreads without people's knowledge. It is an action that has an ascribed risk to it. I hate that people keep trying to compare this to driving or swimming or the flu. It just isn't and it has been explained a million times. |
So, are you suggesting that the government mandate testing for everyone? And, once that testing is done, that only those with antibodies be allowed to work? And, there is no hard evidence that antibodies provide protection for this virus. |
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I am not sure why you think this point is so clever that you needed to post it twice, but don't you think the number of virus-truthers who have since died of the disease is an indication that some people are not as smart as they thought? As I replied to your previous post, lead the way. I am glad that you are volunteering to be a guinea pig. |
Problem is you've got some folks who'll just go to Busch Gardens because it's all overblown. Not a thoughtful consideration of how to re-open different types of businesses, a discussion of the flaws and benefits of a Swedish-style slowdown, a mention of how to get PPE for people and how to protect high risk people who are still in the workforce ... nope, just open it all up, it's a liberal hoax, I'll take my kids to Busch Gardens. |
All those who think the virus is no big deal, it is now the leading cause of death in the US.
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| Also - for proponents of opening up beyond even what Sweden is doing - what would make you think we might have to shut it all down again? 100,000 deaths? An outbreak in your community? Someone you know getting sick? |
I am not Jeff obviously, but I would respond that if we had per capita testing at the same level as SK or Germany, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I have been banging the drum on testing. There absolutely no reason we should have as pervasive a program as other western countries. We don't because our program was delayed because of a variety of factors including incompetence and lack of leadership. We could take the WHO tests NOW and augment what we are doing...but what we have now is an abomination that lacks any justifiable excuses. If you are a "re-open" person, then you should be upset at Trump for his lack of execution. If you are a 'wait it out" person, you should be upset at Trump for his lack of execution. Getting mad at governoers who are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing is a waste of time and divisive. Did Obama neglect NJ after Sandy because Chris Christie is a republican? No...so why is that happening now? |
If you would go to Busch Gardens tomorrow, you have a completely different understanding of the dangers of the virus than I do. Are you completely unaware of the spread of COVID-19 resulting from spring break, various church services, funerals, and so on? But, good luck to you. |