Time for a mutiny yet? MCPS = crummy math, no grammar, poor writing

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Hah...nice try! Another MCPS parent in complete denial.

DP.

Me: My kids are getting a good education in MCPS.
You: No, they're not!

PP here. I am just basing my assumption on the fact that there are 18 pages of unhappy mcps parents whining about the lack of grammar and writing instruction among other things. Perhaps you are happy, but that doesn't mean the curriculum is competitive with the rest of the country/world and private schools that are light years ahead of mcps.

18 pages of mostly private schools parents trying to bash MCPS.
MCPS is the most competitive school system in the DC area. It is proven in any academic competition. Period.
The "least desirable "school in MCPS will beat the best any other school system has to offer, that includes the privates .
When was the last time a school other than MCPS has won the "it's academics " competition?

That’s the measure of it all, right? A Saturday morning half hour trivia bowl? The kids that win automatically get a BS from MIT after all.

Also, it’s ‘It’s Academic’

Let me simplify it for you.
You all can't even compete with MCPS in this simple trivia bowl, even after paying up $40000 . Don't even need to mention STEM competitions.
Like I said, keep bashing the big dog so you can feel better about paying for an inferior product.

Your response doesn't make any sense. Of course the top students in a 50,000 student pool will beat private school kids. That doesn't tell you anything about the quality of education in MCPS versus privates.

Wow!!
Is it really that hard for you?
It's not about numbers. Each school chooses the three best-suited students and alternatives to represent the school. So a school can have just 100 students, beat all the schools with higher students and wins the competition every year...because of the quality of the education .
Hence the reason MCPS owns the competition.

Huh? MCPS high schools have class sizes that are typically 5-10x those of the private opponents. And even then, it's usually Blair that just crushes everyone, thanks to having the elite one percentile of students who get admitted to SMAC.

Furthermore, It's Academic is a show that's based on regurgitating memorized information, so it's not really in the wheelhouse of most privates.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but what's your purpose in this thread? Seriously. Yes, it's a game show. My brother went to the school all you private parents salivate over and was on both It's Academic and Teen Jeopardy. It seemed in his wheelhouse at the time.

New money private parents are the ABSOLUTE WORST.

IDK - my DD wouldn’t be CAUGHT DEAD on It’s Academic. If I even suggested it she’d slug me. It’s not for everyone. Or many. It’s a rare bird, I think, that would do it. And yes, she’s going to a top university next year. We don’t have to specify what kind of school she goes to because it’s not relevant.

Shouldn’t this be a separate thread?

GO AWAY PATHETIC HOLTON MOM

Hey, chill with the Holton bashing. Their team looked pretty good on the recent episode when they took down Bishop Ireton and West Springfield! I can't wait for the new episodes to air because DD will be making her 9th grade entry decision based on who wins between Holton and Whitman in the playoffs.

Well l can tell you right now, your DD should pick Whitman because Holton will just be a place holder.
LOL

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Hah...nice try! Another MCPS parent in complete denial.

DP.

Me: My kids are getting a good education in MCPS.
You: No, they're not!

PP here. I am just basing my assumption on the fact that there are 18 pages of unhappy mcps parents whining about the lack of grammar and writing instruction among other things. Perhaps you are happy, but that doesn't mean the curriculum is competitive with the rest of the country/world and private schools that are light years ahead of mcps.

18 pages of mostly private schools parents trying to bash MCPS.
MCPS is the most competitive school system in the DC area. It is proven in any academic competition. Period.
The "least desirable "school in MCPS will beat the best any other school system has to offer, that includes the privates .
When was the last time a school other than MCPS has won the "it's academics " competition?

That’s the measure of it all, right? A Saturday morning half hour trivia bowl? The kids that win automatically get a BS from MIT after all.

Also, it’s ‘It’s Academic’

Let me simplify it for you.
You all can't even compete with MCPS in this simple trivia bowl, even after paying up $40000 . Don't even need to mention STEM competitions.
Like I said, keep bashing the big dog so you can feel better about paying for an inferior product.

Your response doesn't make any sense. Of course the top students in a 50,000 student pool will beat private school kids. That doesn't tell you anything about the quality of education in MCPS versus privates.

Wow!!
Is it really that hard for you?
It's not about numbers. Each school chooses the three best-suited students and alternatives to represent the school. So a school can have just 100 students, beat all the schools with higher students and wins the competition every year...because of the quality of the education .
Hence the reason MCPS owns the competition.

Huh? MCPS high schools have class sizes that are typically 5-10x those of the private opponents. And even then, it's usually Blair that just crushes everyone, thanks to having the elite one percentile of students who get admitted to SMAC.


Furthermore, It's Academic is a show that's based on regurgitating memorized information, so it's not really in the wheelhouse of most privates.

Oh God!
You are a lost cause. No wonder you think privates are better. Critical thinking and comprehension skills are not your forte.
Again it's not about numbers...each team has the same number of kids.
Got it?

[Anonymous]

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Fair enough. So after your prioritize your job and basic needs like shelter, food, security and medicine. What other thing are you doing for your kids education?

Let me pose the same question in another way.

Even the poorest of Asian students are doing well inspite of the same priorties many of us have (job, basic needs, financial security) - http://www.ajc.com/news/local-education/why-asian-students-well-parents-are-the-primary-educators/54Dqdw1fhAMEn5xdsBN5SM/ , so how are you teaching your children?

Just wanting the best for your children is not enough. You have to be investing your time in their education. I speak this as a parent of a high achieving MCPS student.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/04/asian-students-carry-high-expectations-for-success/2615483/

Can we stop with the model minority myth, please? And especially can we stop using the model minority myth as a club to beat other minorities over the head with?

No one is beating other minorities over the head with. Everyone can learn to priortize their kids education. SES or language barrier or immigration status is no excuse.

[Anonymous]

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Hah...nice try! Another MCPS parent in complete denial.

DP.

Me: My kids are getting a good education in MCPS.
You: No, they're not!

PP here. I am just basing my assumption on the fact that there are 18 pages of unhappy mcps parents whining about the lack of grammar and writing instruction among other things. Perhaps you are happy, but that doesn't mean the curriculum is competitive with the rest of the country/world and private schools that are light years ahead of mcps.

18 pages of mostly private schools parents trying to bash MCPS.
MCPS is the most competitive school system in the DC area. It is proven in any academic competition. Period.
The "least desirable "school in MCPS will beat the best any other school system has to offer, that includes the privates .
When was the last time a school other than MCPS has won the "it's academics " competition?

That’s the measure of it all, right? A Saturday morning half hour trivia bowl? The kids that win automatically get a BS from MIT after all.

Also, it’s ‘It’s Academic’

Let me simplify it for you.
You all can't even compete with MCPS in this simple trivia bowl, even after paying up $40000 . Don't even need to mention STEM competitions.
Like I said, keep bashing the big dog so you can feel better about paying for an inferior product.

Your response doesn't make any sense. Of course the top students in a 50,000 student pool will beat private school kids. That doesn't tell you anything about the quality of education in MCPS versus privates.

Wow!!
Is it really that hard for you?
It's not about numbers. Each school chooses the three best-suited students and alternatives to represent the school. So a school can have just 100 students, beat all the schools with higher students and wins the competition every year...because of the quality of the education .
Hence the reason MCPS owns the competition.

Huh? MCPS high schools have class sizes that are typically 5-10x those of the private opponents. And even then, it's usually Blair that just crushes everyone, thanks to having the elite one percentile of students who get admitted to SMAC.


Furthermore, It's Academic is a show that's based on regurgitating memorized information, so it's not really in the wheelhouse of most privates.

Oh God!
You are a lost cause. No wonder you think privates are better. Critical thinking and comprehension skills are not your forte.
Again it's not about numbers...each team has the same number of kids.
Got it?

I swear parents like this are one of the reasons we spent the money for an amazing public district.
- fancy dc public graduate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hah...nice try! Another MCPS parent in complete denial.

DP.

Me: My kids are getting a good education in MCPS.
You: No, they're not!

PP here. I am just basing my assumption on the fact that there are 18 pages of unhappy mcps parents whining about the lack of grammar and writing instruction among other things. Perhaps you are happy, but that doesn't mean the curriculum is competitive with the rest of the country/world and private schools that are light years ahead of mcps.

18 pages of mostly private schools parents trying to bash MCPS.
MCPS is the most competitive school system in the DC area. It is proven in any academic competition. Period.
The "least desirable "school in MCPS will beat the best any other school system has to offer, that includes the privates .
When was the last time a school other than MCPS has won the "it's academics " competition?

That’s the measure of it all, right? A Saturday morning half hour trivia bowl? The kids that win automatically get a BS from MIT after all.

Also, it’s ‘It’s Academic’

Let me simplify it for you.
You all can't even compete with MCPS in this simple trivia bowl, even after paying up $40000 . Don't even need to mention STEM competitions.
Like I said, keep bashing the big dog so you can feel better about paying for an inferior product.

Your response doesn't make any sense. Of course the top students in a 50,000 student pool will beat private school kids. That doesn't tell you anything about the quality of education in MCPS versus privates.

Wow!!
Is it really that hard for you?
It's not about numbers. Each school chooses the three best-suited students and alternatives to represent the school. So a school can have just 100 students, beat all the schools with higher students and wins the competition every year...because of the quality of the education .
Hence the reason MCPS owns the competition.

Huh? MCPS high schools have class sizes that are typically 5-10x those of the private opponents. And even then, it's usually Blair that just crushes everyone, thanks to having the elite one percentile of students who get admitted to SMAC.


Furthermore, It's Academic is a show that's based on regurgitating memorized information, so it's not really in the wheelhouse of most privates.

Oh God!
You are a lost cause. No wonder you think privates are better. Critical thinking and comprehension skills are not your forte.
Again it's not about numbers...each team has the same number of kids.
Got it?

I swear parents like this are one of the reasons we spent the money for an amazing public district.
- fancy dc public graduate

Lol meant private graduate. Even my autocorrect wants us to go public!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hah...nice try! Another MCPS parent in complete denial.

DP.

Me: My kids are getting a good education in MCPS.
You: No, they're not!

PP here. I am just basing my assumption on the fact that there are 18 pages of unhappy mcps parents whining about the lack of grammar and writing instruction among other things. Perhaps you are happy, but that doesn't mean the curriculum is competitive with the rest of the country/world and private schools that are light years ahead of mcps.

18 pages of mostly private schools parents trying to bash MCPS.
MCPS is the most competitive school system in the DC area. It is proven in any academic competition. Period.
The "least desirable "school in MCPS will beat the best any other school system has to offer, that includes the privates .
When was the last time a school other than MCPS has won the "it's academics " competition?

That’s the measure of it all, right? A Saturday morning half hour trivia bowl? The kids that win automatically get a BS from MIT after all.

Also, it’s ‘It’s Academic’

Let me simplify it for you.
You all can't even compete with MCPS in this simple trivia bowl, even after paying up $40000 . Don't even need to mention STEM competitions.
Like I said, keep bashing the big dog so you can feel better about paying for an inferior product.

Your response doesn't make any sense. Of course the top students in a 50,000 student pool will beat private school kids. That doesn't tell you anything about the quality of education in MCPS versus privates.

Wow!!
Is it really that hard for you?
It's not about numbers. Each school chooses the three best-suited students and alternatives to represent the school. So a school can have just 100 students, beat all the schools with higher students and wins the competition every year...because of the quality of the education .
Hence the reason MCPS owns the competition.

Huh? MCPS high schools have class sizes that are typically 5-10x those of the private opponents. And even then, it's usually Blair that just crushes everyone, thanks to having the elite one percentile of students who get admitted to SMAC.


Furthermore, It's Academic is a show that's based on regurgitating memorized information, so it's not really in the wheelhouse of most privates.

Oh God!
You are a lost cause. No wonder you think privates are better. Critical thinking and comprehension skills are not your forte.
Again it's not about numbers...each team has the same number of kids.
Got it?

I swear parents like this are one of the reasons we spent the money for an amazing public district.
- fancy dc public graduate

Lol meant private graduate. Even my autocorrect wants us to go public!

You were clearly not zoned for a W school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think my child is getting a 'crappy education' (while we're at it, I'm wondering if GDS, Sidwell, Holton, etc students are getting 42K a year worth of education. Do they, really?), my child at her ES is getting an okay education. Our school is excellent, the principal is stellar and the PTA and parents are involved; the peer group is of a high caliber, also. Yes, I'm not crazy about the curriculum, since my child is academically advanced, yes, I think she would benefit from more challenge. That's why we supplement. Do I wish MCPS cater more to its brightest? Yes, of course.

In MS and HS we would reevaluate, but, for now, MCPS it is. And yes, it is superior to Howard and PG (don't know much about Fairfax, but I believe it's comparable).

So you agree with me then. You say your kid is getting an "okay" education, which means mediocre vs. excellent. You have to supplement. Nice that you are surrounded by excellent administration and parents, but they can only do so much with a curriculum which is lacking. AND it's not just the brightest that are suffering...it's all the kids who never really learn basic skills that young children are learning in some of the wonderful private schools in the area. My 4th grade DC is not in a $40K school. We are in a Catholic parochial and paying less than $10K. And she is getting formal instruction in things like grammar, spelling, vocabulary, cursive, science, social studies, and Spanish in a class of 21 kids. Religion is an added bonus. Her text books, work books, field trips, and all school supplies included with tuition. Not bad for less than $10K a year. How much do you spend on supplementing?

Yeah, I wish my daughter would learn about talking snakes in her public elementary school! How about splitting the waters, so that the chosen people could cross it by walking at the bottom of the sea? That would be a nice science topic! How about the ark where animals were peacefully coexisting while the angry bearded old man flooded the earth? Forget evolution, there are more magical things to learn in life!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hah...nice try! Another MCPS parent in complete denial.

DP.

Me: My kids are getting a good education in MCPS.
You: No, they're not!

PP here. I am just basing my assumption on the fact that there are 18 pages of unhappy mcps parents whining about the lack of grammar and writing instruction among other things. Perhaps you are happy, but that doesn't mean the curriculum is competitive with the rest of the country/world and private schools that are light years ahead of mcps.

18 pages of mostly private schools parents trying to bash MCPS.
MCPS is the most competitive school system in the DC area. It is proven in any academic competition. Period.
The "least desirable "school in MCPS will beat the best any other school system has to offer, that includes the privates .
When was the last time a school other than MCPS has won the "it's academics " competition?

That’s the measure of it all, right? A Saturday morning half hour trivia bowl? The kids that win automatically get a BS from MIT after all.

Also, it’s ‘It’s Academic’

Let me simplify it for you.
You all can't even compete with MCPS in this simple trivia bowl, even after paying up $40000 . Don't even need to mention STEM competitions.
Like I said, keep bashing the big dog so you can feel better about paying for an inferior product.

Your response doesn't make any sense. Of course the top students in a 50,000 student pool will beat private school kids. That doesn't tell you anything about the quality of education in MCPS versus privates.

Wow!!
Is it really that hard for you?
It's not about numbers. Each school chooses the three best-suited students and alternatives to represent the school. So a school can have just 100 students, beat all the schools with higher students and wins the competition every year...because of the quality of the education .
Hence the reason MCPS owns the competition.

Huh? MCPS high schools have class sizes that are typically 5-10x those of the private opponents. And even then, it's usually Blair that just crushes everyone, thanks to having the elite one percentile of students who get admitted to SMAC.


Furthermore, It's Academic is a show that's based on regurgitating memorized information, so it's not really in the wheelhouse of most privates.

Oh God!
You are a lost cause. No wonder you think privates are better. Critical thinking and comprehension skills are not your forte.
Again it's not about numbers...each team has the same number of kids.
Got it?

I swear parents like this are one of the reasons we spent the money for an amazing public district.
- fancy dc public graduate

Lol meant private graduate. Even my autocorrect wants us to go public!

You were clearly not zoned for a W school.

Huh?

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, I wish my daughter would learn about talking snakes in her public elementary school! How about splitting the waters, so that the chosen people could cross it by walking at the bottom of the sea? That would be a nice science topic! How about the ark where animals were peacefully coexisting while the angry bearded old man flooded the earth? Forget evolution, there are more magical things to learn in life!

PP, as far as I know, parochial schools in this area do not teach creationism. And the Catholic Church is neither anti-evolution nor pro-literal reading of the Catholic Bible. Some nuance would be appropriate here, I think.

-not a Catholic

[Anonymous]

OK, folks we all know It's Academic or Quizbowl is already about memorizing tons of facts and random facts. Great.

Re: K-12 education
For us it's more about the PATH than the end result. Frankly for a lot of kids in the DC area, they would end of at the same good school or legacy school regardless of private or public high school. Same for standardized test scores (AP, IB, SAT, ACT).

However, their experience the last 13 years might be vastly different. Maybe, in addition to good test scores and college acceptance, you want your children to learn good values, how to listen/speak/discuss, find his or her passions, try out different sports or clubs, develop close relationships to teacher mentors, develop a growth mindset and love of learning. Parents have to instill that in spite of MCPS, not because of MCPS. Maybe it's different at private school, I don't know, but we are constantly trying to help our children be well-rounded despite a frantic math/reading/english curricula K-5, a total mash-up 6-8, and then pressure cooker 9-12 focused on AP tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, folks we all know It's Academic or Quizbowl is already about memorizing tons of facts and random facts. Great.

Re: K-12 education
For us it's more about the PATH than the end result. Frankly for a lot of kids in the DC area, they would end of at the same good school or legacy school regardless of private or public high school. Same for standardized test scores (AP, IB, SAT, ACT).

However, their experience the last 13 years might be vastly different. Maybe, in addition to good test scores and college acceptance, you want your children to learn good values, how to listen/speak/discuss, find his or her passions, try out different sports or clubs, develop close relationships to teacher mentors, develop a growth mindset and love of learning. Parents have to instill that in spite of MCPS, not because of MCPS. Maybe it's different at private school, I don't know, but we are constantly trying to help our children be well-rounded despite a frantic math/reading/english curricula K-5, a total mash-up 6-8, and then pressure cooker 9-12 focused on AP tests.

That's not been my experience.

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, I wish my daughter would learn about talking snakes in her public elementary school! How about splitting the waters, so that the chosen people could cross it by walking at the bottom of the sea? That would be a nice science topic! How about the ark where animals were peacefully coexisting while the angry bearded old man flooded the earth? Forget evolution, there are more magical things to learn in life!

PP, as far as I know, parochial schools in this area do not teach creationism. And the Catholic Church is neither anti-evolution nor pro-literal reading of the Catholic Bible. Some nuance would be appropriate here, I think.

-not a Catholic

You mean they teach religion while ignoring the magic in the bible? That's cute. Really useful stuff, and added bonus.

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, I wish my daughter would learn about talking snakes in her public elementary school! How about splitting the waters, so that the chosen people could cross it by walking at the bottom of the sea? That would be a nice science topic! How about the ark where animals were peacefully coexisting while the angry bearded old man flooded the earth? Forget evolution, there are more magical things to learn in life!

PP, as far as I know, parochial schools in this area do not teach creationism. And the Catholic Church is neither anti-evolution nor pro-literal reading of the Catholic Bible. Some nuance would be appropriate here, I think.

-not a Catholic

You mean they teach religion while ignoring the magic in the bible? That's cute. Really useful stuff, and added bonus.

PP, if you want to discuss religion, there's a religion forum right here on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, folks we all know It's Academic or Quizbowl is already about memorizing tons of facts and random facts. Great.

Re: K-12 education
For us it's more about the PATH than the end result. Frankly for a lot of kids in the DC area, they would end of at the same good school or legacy school regardless of private or public high school. Same for standardized test scores (AP, IB, SAT, ACT).

However, their experience the last 13 years might be vastly different. Maybe, in addition to good test scores and college acceptance, you want your children to learn good values, how to listen/speak/discuss, find his or her passions, try out different sports or clubs, develop close relationships to teacher mentors, develop a growth mindset and love of learning. Parents have to instill that in spite of MCPS, not because of MCPS. Maybe it's different at private school, I don't know, but we are constantly trying to help our children be well-rounded despite a frantic math/reading/english curricula K-5, a total mash-up 6-8, and then pressure cooker 9-12 focused on AP tests.

Laudable goals, for sure, but there is no possible way you can generalize about how to achieve those goals. The path will depend on the kid. I went to both strong public schools and strong private schools. I can say with complete confidence that you can achieve those goals at a strong public (and, yes, MCPS remains strong, despite all the bashing here) or not. Same for a strong private. Certain private schools *might* have a higher percentage of kids with intellectual curiosity and smaller class sizes can *sometimes* make it easier to foster mentorship relationships with teachers, but all of that remains situation-dependent.

At the end of the day, if you have a decently strong foundation (and most MCPS schools will give you that), whether your kid ends up being well-rounded, passionate, and possessive of good values depends in large part on what you, and the other adults in his/her life, do to foster that. No school is going to be a magic pill that will solidify a crappy or amazing life for your kid.

[Anonymous]

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Yeah, I wish my daughter would learn about talking snakes in her public elementary school! How about splitting the waters, so that the chosen people could cross it by walking at the bottom of the sea? That would be a nice science topic! How about the ark where animals were peacefully coexisting while the angry bearded old man flooded the earth? Forget evolution, there are more magical things to learn in life!

PP, as far as I know, parochial schools in this area do not teach creationism. And the Catholic Church is neither anti-evolution nor pro-literal reading of the Catholic Bible. Some nuance would be appropriate here, I think.

-not a Catholic

You mean they teach religion while ignoring the magic in the bible? That's cute. Really useful stuff, and added bonus.

PP, if you want to discuss religion, there's a religion forum right here on DCUM.

A private school parent brought the religion in the discussion as an added bonus for the private school education. This is not a general discussion about religion, it is religion as part of school curriculum. For some is an added bonus, for others is an indoctrination method.