Schools near metro will get more housing without overcrowding relief

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Is there anything to address all the existing empty units that landlords are hoarding? That could make an immediate impact but no one seems to be talking about it. I’m fine with upcoming overall but that will have more long term impacts. There are people who need housing now and there is underutilized supply.

The what now?

[Anonymous]

If this is going to continue to be more about housing and less about schools can this thread be moved to another forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Why do you think it's a lack of supply? I guess flooding the market will devalue existing housing. Seems like housing today is just more expensive relative to income than 30 years ago.

And why is this so? Because of lack of supply, relative to demand.

That's a simpleminded way of viewing things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Is there anything to address all the existing empty units that landlords are hoarding? That could make an immediate impact but no one seems to be talking about it. I’m fine with upcoming overall but that will have more long term impacts. There are people who need housing now and there is underutilized supply.

Montgomery County's vacancy rate is very low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Why do you think it's a lack of supply? I guess flooding the market will devalue existing housing. Seems like housing today is just more expensive relative to income than 30 years ago.

And why is this so? Because of lack of supply, relative to demand.

That's a simpleminded way of viewing things.

Silly economics!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Is there anything to address all the existing empty units that landlords are hoarding? That could make an immediate impact but no one seems to be talking about it. I’m fine with upcoming overall but that will have more long term impacts. There are people who need housing now and there is underutilized supply.

Montgomery County's vacancy rate is very low.

Because there are units not on the market so they aren’t counted. Landlords keep back units in new buildings to keep prices high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If this is going to continue to be more about housing and less about schools can this thread be moved to another forum.

The discuasion has been about schools. This is just a closely related initiative to the state bill, and the combination of the two is really impactful.

More housing in areas that don't have space for new schools and where schools are already at/above capacity is a school issue. Expecting schools to appear with increased density is magical thinking without a clear plan, and such a plan is unlikely due to the great expense and decades-long heel-dragging of the county that has allowed the overcrowding in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Love the overcrowded schools!

There’s plenty of schools that are not overcrowded. There might need to be sone redistribution but they will be fine. We are talking about kids with nowhere to live- would you rather they be on the streets? They will perform better in school if they have stable housing.

Not inside the beltway, where the greatest impact from the combination of the state bill and the Montgomery Planning proposal is likely to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Is there anything to address all the existing empty units that landlords are hoarding? That could make an immediate impact but no one seems to be talking about it. I’m fine with upcoming overall but that will have more long term impacts. There are people who need housing now and there is underutilized supply.

Montgomery County's vacancy rate is very low.

Because there are units not on the market so they aren’t counted. Landlords keep back units in new buildings to keep prices high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is going to continue to be more about housing and less about schools can this thread be moved to another forum.

The discuasion has been about schools. This is just a closely related initiative to the state bill, and the combination of the two is really impactful.

More housing in areas that don't have space for new schools and where schools are already at/above capacity is a school issue. Expecting schools to appear with increased density is magical thinking without a clear plan, and such a plan is unlikely due to the great expense and decades-long heel-dragging of the county that has allowed the overcrowding in the first place.

The housing will not spontaneously generate new students.

It is true that it might redistribute existing students to over-capacity schools, although I think they would probably also be coming from over-capacity schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is going to continue to be more about housing and less about schools can this thread be moved to another forum.

The discuasion has been about schools. This is just a closely related initiative to the state bill, and the combination of the two is really impactful.

More housing in areas that don't have space for new schools and where schools are already at/above capacity is a school issue. Expecting schools to appear with increased density is magical thinking without a clear plan, and such a plan is unlikely due to the great expense and decades-long heel-dragging of the county that has allowed the overcrowding in the first place.

The housing will not spontaneously generate new students.

It is true that it might redistribute existing students to over-capacity schools, although I think they would probably also be coming from over-capacity schools.

As has been discussed in this thread, that's more magical thinking that all (or even a majority) of the new housing will simply go to house those currently in the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Love the overcrowded schools!

There’s plenty of schools that are not overcrowded. There might need to be sone redistribution but they will be fine. We are talking about kids with nowhere to live- would you rather they be on the streets? They will perform better in school if they have stable housing.

Not inside the beltway, where the greatest impact from the combination of the state bill and the Montgomery Planning proposal is likely to be.

Whitman, BCC, and Springbrook serve areas inside the beltway and are not overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is going to continue to be more about housing and less about schools can this thread be moved to another forum.

The discuasion has been about schools. This is just a closely related initiative to the state bill, and the combination of the two is really impactful.

More housing in areas that don't have space for new schools and where schools are already at/above capacity is a school issue. Expecting schools to appear with increased density is magical thinking without a clear plan, and such a plan is unlikely due to the great expense and decades-long heel-dragging of the county that has allowed the overcrowding in the first place.

The housing will not spontaneously generate new students.

It is true that it might redistribute existing students to over-capacity schools, although I think they would probably also be coming from over-capacity schools.

As has been discussed in this thread, that's more magical thinking that all (or even a majority) of the new housing will simply go to house those currently in the area.

It's certainly something that could be studied. But in the absence of data, it's just as much "magical thinking" to say that the housing will spontaneously generate new students as to say that it won't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't look now, but Montgomery Planning is holding a hearing today on changes to zoning that would allow multiplexes just about everywhere inside the Beltway (along with other transport corrider areas).

Thread in local politics forum, here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1194023.page

Great news, thank you for letting us know! I think it's high time we update the zoning that bans everything except uniplexes in most parts of the county.

Indeed. This is *long* overdue. The housing crisis will continue to get worse unless we dramatically increase the supply.

Love the overcrowded schools!

There’s plenty of schools that are not overcrowded. There might need to be sone redistribution but they will be fine. We are talking about kids with nowhere to live- would you rather they be on the streets? They will perform better in school if they have stable housing.

Not inside the beltway, where the greatest impact from the combination of the state bill and the Montgomery Planning proposal is likely to be.

Whitman, BCC, and Springbrook serve areas inside the beltway and are not overcrowded.

And there are elementaries within those pyramids that are overcrowded. Even with a plethora of portables that take from playgrounds and the like.

And there is pretty much all of inside-the-beltway Silver Spring, where there ar no public high schools at all, and where the DCC high schools serving the area are, and will remain, overcrowded. That area is the most likely to be impacted by the zoning change.

Springbrook essentially serves a sliver of outer NE Takoma Park, and is part of the NEC, not the DCC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is going to continue to be more about housing and less about schools can this thread be moved to another forum.

The discuasion has been about schools. This is just a closely related initiative to the state bill, and the combination of the two is really impactful.

More housing in areas that don't have space for new schools and where schools are already at/above capacity is a school issue. Expecting schools to appear with increased density is magical thinking without a clear plan, and such a plan is unlikely due to the great expense and decades-long heel-dragging of the county that has allowed the overcrowding in the first place.

The housing will not spontaneously generate new students.

It is true that it might redistribute existing students to over-capacity schools, although I think they would probably also be coming from over-capacity schools.

As has been discussed in this thread, that's more magical thinking that all (or even a majority) of the new housing will simply go to house those currently in the area.

It's certainly something that could be studied. But in the absence of data, it's just as much "magical thinking" to say that the housing will spontaneously generate new students as to say that it won't.

Ha! Any demographer worth their salt would disagree with you.