Is Shakespeare not taught in DCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

If you're going to vote republican based on a troll book list on a mom blog, then you were always going to do it and just needed a hint of a reason.

ok, grandpa, calm down. You go get those books on the list get your kid to read that rich character development in white fragility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shakespeare is 'racist' is not trolling, there are numerous academic works making this claim to a various degree. Read this statement from last year from the English Department at University of Chicago:

"English as a discipline has a long history of providing aesthetic rationalizations for colonization, exploitation, extraction, and anti-Blackness. Our discipline is responsible for developing hierarchies of cultural production that have contributed directly to social and systemic determinations of whose lives matter and why."

This is just the surface, look into it if you still doubt it.

Sigh. This is not saying Shakespeare is racist. What is racist is having children read only white authors or when we do include POC it’s just about all the horrible things they had to go through. How do you think a black student might feel if they only thing they see themselves in is slavery??

Please stop being obtuse on purpose. It is absolutely trolling to say Shakespeare as a whole is racist.

You are guilty of what you are accusing me of. Can you point where anyone said children should read only white authors, or only literature about horrible things happening to non-white people?
If you are saying there is no underlying current to change the canon, you are denying the obvious. think about it, why would anyone say English is responsible for cultural hierarchies? It is part of the post-modernism sweep that is fashionable academia, the focus on critical studies, it is how the phrase dead white men came about. It's also the next culture war, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately it will unfold at the voting booth and through the legal system.

Never accused anyone here of that lol. Only that the creation of this thread shows what you think is important. None (a general none so you don’t cry) of you have ever advocated for more diverse authors in this forum. And there are MULTIPLE responses in this and other threads stating things that have a racist undertone.

No teaching children about white privilege because it’ll teach my child that white people are alllll bad.
Suspend children with trauma (who are often poc) because I don’t understand the school to prison pipeline.
Keep schools with in boundary kids only in NW, ie majority white, even though the area is definitely gentrified.

Man, this thread is getting boring.

Actually, several of us have advocated for adding more diverse authors to the curriculum. I was one of them. Do you just not agree because I also stated we should keep a Shakespeare play?

We agree on one thing. This thread has gotten boring.

Spice it up then, you can always make more dumb comments about the literary cannon. I'll be here to make fun of you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shakespeare is 'racist' is not trolling, there are numerous academic works making this claim to a various degree. Read this statement from last year from the English Department at University of Chicago:

"English as a discipline has a long history of providing aesthetic rationalizations for colonization, exploitation, extraction, and anti-Blackness. Our discipline is responsible for developing hierarchies of cultural production that have contributed directly to social and systemic determinations of whose lives matter and why."

This is just the surface, look into it if you still doubt it.

Sigh. This is not saying Shakespeare is racist. What is racist is having children read only white authors or when we do include POC it’s just about all the horrible things they had to go through. How do you think a black student might feel if they only thing they see themselves in is slavery??

Please stop being obtuse on purpose. It is absolutely trolling to say Shakespeare as a whole is racist.

You are guilty of what you are accusing me of. Can you point where anyone said children should read only white authors, or only literature about horrible things happening to non-white people?
If you are saying there is no underlying current to change the canon, you are denying the obvious. think about it, why would anyone say English is responsible for cultural hierarchies? It is part of the post-modernism sweep that is fashionable academia, the focus on critical studies, it is how the phrase dead white men came about. It's also the next culture war, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately it will unfold at the voting booth and through the legal system.

Never accused anyone here of that lol. Only that the creation of this thread shows what you think is important. None (a general none so you don’t cry) of you have ever advocated for more diverse authors in this forum. And there are MULTIPLE responses in this and other threads stating things that have a racist undertone.

No teaching children about white privilege because it’ll teach my child that white people are alllll bad.
Suspend children with trauma (who are often poc) because I don’t understand the school to prison pipeline.
Keep schools with in boundary kids only in NW, ie majority white, even though the area is definitely gentrified.

Man, this thread is getting boring.

Actually, several of us have advocated for adding more diverse authors to the curriculum. I was one of them. Do you just not agree because I also stated we should keep a Shakespeare play?

We agree on one thing. This thread has gotten boring.

Unfortunately I've seen your list. If you dont feel embarassed putting white fragility and Kendi next to Shakespeare, you dont know what shame is. I'm not sure why you are on the thread. You' dont have a child so it doesnt matter to you what is taught in pulic schools, you don't like Shakespeare since its too boring, the vocabulary is too difficult, and you'd rather read the futuristic laser version. You got burned more than once with your ignorant literary cannon comments... Just do everyone a favor and look up the dictionary definitions. First cannon (double n), then canon (single n). Let it sink in. I know you won't feel embarassed, because we already established you have no shame, but hopefully you will use the word canon correctly from now on... Who am I kidding, you'll go back to cannon in no time!

Better idea! What if you devote your energy to posting on some equity thread about some "white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit"

Seriously, somewhere there some cultural appropriation going on, and you need to expose just how wrong that is.

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PS Vote Republican.

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Don’t feed the troll.

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Agreed, parents concerned about what their children learn in school are just trolls with phony fake outrage. Curriculum is not dumbed down, Shakespeare was never in danger.

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It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

It's all pointing to an incredibly narrow view of he goal of education. But at least for me, it's opening my eyes to what DCPS middle and high schoolers are (not) learning in their curriculum. The idea that English literature should focus only on the legacy of US racism is terrifying.

Lady Cannon is just someone that mindlessly repeats what she heard within her social circle, twitter or faceboook, but these are not just a minority of fringe isolated extremists. Think about where these ideas originate and who is adopting and propagating them. These ideas find their cultural home in universities and their political home in the Democratic party. And it's not only Shakespeare, read the California math framework if you can stomach it, and it's not just the education.

Unfortunately it is about narrowing the curriculum that is being taught. The quote from the English Department at the University of Chicago was to state that for that academic year all English PhD students are required to focus their academics on Black Studies. Where’s the diversity in this?

What do you think students graduating from that department will teach at your child’s high school? Shakespeare? That’s akin to perpetuating white supremacy, as Lady Cannon suggested, albeit in a much less refined form.

Do you think an English PhD candidate might have already read and studied a diverse sampling of material over their lives to contrast to that one academic year?

Sure they would have sampled a diverse work, but you don’t find it odd at all?

In past decades, whole classes of students were admitted who worked on the canon of dead white men. So us white people don't get ONE SINGLE class of Chicago lit PhDs and that's a problem?

So the PhD's are given to us white people? No, the problem is the narowing on what passes on as acceptable scholarship.

Okay you don't understand how this is a broadening. There will be like 20 more scholars who focus on AA literature on the job market in 7 years. Apparently that is too much for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

If you're going to vote republican based on a troll book list on a mom blog, then you were always going to do it and just needed a hint of a reason.

ok, grandpa, calm down. You go get those books on the list get your kid to read that rich character development in white fragility.

I'm a totally different person. The book list was clearly a joke, and here you are threatening to vote republican over it.

[Anonymous]

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It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

It's all pointing to an incredibly narrow view of he goal of education. But at least for me, it's opening my eyes to what DCPS middle and high schoolers are (not) learning in their curriculum. The idea that English literature should focus only on the legacy of US racism is terrifying.

Lady Cannon is just someone that mindlessly repeats what she heard within her social circle, twitter or faceboook, but these are not just a minority of fringe isolated extremists. Think about where these ideas originate and who is adopting and propagating them. These ideas find their cultural home in universities and their political home in the Democratic party. And it's not only Shakespeare, read the California math framework if you can stomach it, and it's not just the education.

Unfortunately it is about narrowing the curriculum that is being taught. The quote from the English Department at the University of Chicago was to state that for that academic year all English PhD students are required to focus their academics on Black Studies. Where’s the diversity in this?

What do you think students graduating from that department will teach at your child’s high school? Shakespeare? That’s akin to perpetuating white supremacy, as Lady Cannon suggested, albeit in a much less refined form.

Do you think an English PhD candidate might have already read and studied a diverse sampling of material over their lives to contrast to that one academic year?

Sure they would have sampled a diverse work, but you don’t find it odd at all?

In past decades, whole classes of students were admitted who worked on the canon of dead white men. So us white people don't get ONE SINGLE class of Chicago lit PhDs and that's a problem?

So the PhD's are given to us white people? No, the problem is the narowing on what passes on as acceptable scholarship.

Okay you don't understand how this is a broadening. There will be like 20 more scholars who focus on AA literature on the job market in 7 years. Apparently that is too much for you.

You are the one who is not understanding. I want people to be able to chose the topic of their PhD themselves as they always had and I think it's wrong for the English Department at a university to refer to English as an instrument of oppression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

If you're going to vote republican based on a troll book list on a mom blog, then you were always going to do it and just needed a hint of a reason.

ok, grandpa, calm down. You go get those books on the list get your kid to read that rich character development in white fragility.

I'm a totally different person. The book list was clearly a joke, and here you are threatening to vote republican over it.

This is something we both agree on, the book list was clearly a joke. You assume is was posted in jest, while I think the content was laughable.

BTW I voted democrat all my life. This will change.

[Anonymous]

So troll will vote Republican in DC starting now. Let us know how that goes Shakesfan.

[Anonymous]

"Hello. I am here today to cast my first vote ever for a Republican. One time a troll lady on a mommy forum posted a list of anti-racist books. So, I am here to save Shakespeare, even though this is really not a part of the Republican agenda, but I really wanted to spite this one lady on the internet."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

It's all pointing to an incredibly narrow view of he goal of education. But at least for me, it's opening my eyes to what DCPS middle and high schoolers are (not) learning in their curriculum. The idea that English literature should focus only on the legacy of US racism is terrifying.

Lady Cannon is just someone that mindlessly repeats what she heard within her social circle, twitter or faceboook, but these are not just a minority of fringe isolated extremists. Think about where these ideas originate and who is adopting and propagating them. These ideas find their cultural home in universities and their political home in the Democratic party. And it's not only Shakespeare, read the California math framework if you can stomach it, and it's not just the education.

Unfortunately it is about narrowing the curriculum that is being taught. The quote from the English Department at the University of Chicago was to state that for that academic year all English PhD students are required to focus their academics on Black Studies. Where’s the diversity in this?

What do you think students graduating from that department will teach at your child’s high school? Shakespeare? That’s akin to perpetuating white supremacy, as Lady Cannon suggested, albeit in a much less refined form.

Do you think an English PhD candidate might have already read and studied a diverse sampling of material over their lives to contrast to that one academic year?

Sure they would have sampled a diverse work, but you don’t find it odd at all?

In past decades, whole classes of students were admitted who worked on the canon of dead white men. So us white people don't get ONE SINGLE class of Chicago lit PhDs and that's a problem?

So the PhD's are given to us white people? No, the problem is the narowing on what passes on as acceptable scholarship.

Okay you don't understand how this is a broadening. There will be like 20 more scholars who focus on AA literature on the job market in 7 years. Apparently that is too much for you.

You are the one who is not understanding. I want people to be able to chose the topic of their PhD themselves as they always had and I think it's wrong for the English Department at a university to refer to English as an instrument of oppression.

It's a good thing there are other schools and other years. And yeah, you're totally more knowledgeable about the social position of English literature than a bunch of faculty from Chicago. Why don't you go tell them? I'm sure they'd love to hear the opinion of a lady with a BA in business or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

It's all pointing to an incredibly narrow view of he goal of education. But at least for me, it's opening my eyes to what DCPS middle and high schoolers are (not) learning in their curriculum. The idea that English literature should focus only on the legacy of US racism is terrifying.

Lady Cannon is just someone that mindlessly repeats what she heard within her social circle, twitter or faceboook, but these are not just a minority of fringe isolated extremists. Think about where these ideas originate and who is adopting and propagating them. These ideas find their cultural home in universities and their political home in the Democratic party. And it's not only Shakespeare, read the California math framework if you can stomach it, and it's not just the education.

Unfortunately it is about narrowing the curriculum that is being taught. The quote from the English Department at the University of Chicago was to state that for that academic year all English PhD students are required to focus their academics on Black Studies. Where’s the diversity in this?

What do you think students graduating from that department will teach at your child’s high school? Shakespeare? That’s akin to perpetuating white supremacy, as Lady Cannon suggested, albeit in a much less refined form.

Do you think an English PhD candidate might have already read and studied a diverse sampling of material over their lives to contrast to that one academic year?

Sure they would have sampled a diverse work, but you don’t find it odd at all?

In past decades, whole classes of students were admitted who worked on the canon of dead white men. So us white people don't get ONE SINGLE class of Chicago lit PhDs and that's a problem?

So the PhD's are given to us white people? No, the problem is the narowing on what passes on as acceptable scholarship.

Okay you don't understand how this is a broadening. There will be like 20 more scholars who focus on AA literature on the job market in 7 years. Apparently that is too much for you.

You are the one who is not understanding. I want people to be able to chose the topic of their PhD themselves as they always had and I think it's wrong for the English Department at a university to refer to English as an instrument of oppression.

It's a good thing there are other schools and other years. And yeah, you're totally more knowledgeable about the social position of English literature than a bunch of faculty from Chicago. Why don't you go tell them? I'm sure they'd love to hear the opinion of a lady with a BA in business or something.

FYI, MIT Physics PhD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Hello. I am here today to cast my first vote ever for a Republican. One time a troll lady on a mommy forum posted a list of anti-racist books. So, I am here to save Shakespeare, even though this is really not a part of the Republican agenda, but I really wanted to spite this one lady on the internet."

Phychological analysis is not your strong point.

I'll vote Repulican because the Democrats have turned into a party of anti intellectualism, and the posts on this thread are representative of that trend.

Why does is bother you so much how people chose to vote?