FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

DP. The "issues" are (1) under-enrollment relative to capacity; and (2) a perception of "brain drain" to nearby, more affluent schools (i.e., a lot of Lewis kids transfer to Lake Braddock purportedly for AP and a lot of Herndon kids transfer to South Lakes purportedly for IB). Eliminate IB and these transfers aren't possible.

Note that PP put "issues" in quotes because they presumably question whether this is really the problem that some boundary change advocates suggest.

[Anonymous]

If you move Franklin Farm kids to Westfield, then you have a three way feeder at Navy/Franklin now..Congrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

You don't live in the area, I take it. Virginia Run ES neighborhoods are some of the closest residential neighborhoods to Westfield. The only walkers to Westfield are kids from VRES zoned areas.

Seriously. Of all the dumb ideas I have read on here, this is one of the dumbest. Could someone explain this poster's motivation? I am mystified. Did you even look at a map?

Best guess, a parent who doesn't want their kids rezoned from Chantilly to somewhere else.

No parent wants their kid to be moved, this process is driven by the “equity” at all cost mantra of the school board and Reid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

The issue at Lewis is that the county and highway systems concentrated the mixing bowl and commercial districts in the Lewis attendance zone. They also chose to cluster apartments around the commercial district and metro. Therefore, there are fewer students in the Lewis zone and bringing in other students will make them have to travel farther (with 2-3 other high schools closer to student houses that Lewis), into crappy traffic conditions through the mixing bowl to get more kids there.

So, the issue is Planning and Zoning.

[Anonymous]

he issue at Lewis is that the county and highway systems concentrated the mixing bowl and commercial districts in the Lewis attendance zone. They also chose to cluster apartments around the commercial district and metro. Therefore, there are fewer students in the Lewis zone and bringing in other students will make them have to travel farther (with 2-3 other high schools closer to student houses that Lewis), into crappy traffic conditions through the mixing bowl to get more kids there.

So, the issue is Planning and Zoning.

No. Which comes first? The chicken or the egg?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

The issue at Lewis is that the county and highway systems concentrated the mixing bowl and commercial districts in the Lewis attendance zone. They also chose to cluster apartments around the commercial district and metro. Therefore, there are fewer students in the Lewis zone and bringing in other students will make them have to travel farther (with 2-3 other high schools closer to student houses that Lewis), into crappy traffic conditions through the mixing bowl to get more kids there.

So, the issue is Planning and Zoning.

251 transferring out is not a zoning issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

DP. The "issues" are (1) under-enrollment relative to capacity; and (2) a perception of "brain drain" to nearby, more affluent schools (i.e., a lot of Lewis kids transfer to Lake Braddock purportedly for AP and a lot of Herndon kids transfer to South Lakes purportedly for IB). Eliminate IB and these transfers aren't possible.

Note that PP put "issues" in quotes because they presumably question whether this is really the problem that some boundary change advocates suggest.

But suddenly these students develop a fondness for a language that Lewis doesn't offer and leave anyway. You would have to shut language transfers down along with making all schools AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield has 2700 students already. Isn't it already one of the largest HS? Why are you trying to move more kids there?

Yes, only West Springfield, Chantilly and Lake Braddock have more students than Westfield. Westfield has never been renovated. When it opened in the late 90s, it was already over the 2500 student design/building capacity--they had to put trailers in the parking lots-- so they added modular classrooms to the original building. The common areas (cafeteria, gym, halls, bathrooms) were not expanded. It is crowded now at 2700 and there is a lot of new construction in-zone. Re-zoning additional existing neighborhoods to Westfield would not make sense.

Presumably they would move kids from Westfield to Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield has 2700 students already. Isn't it already one of the largest HS? Why are you trying to move more kids there?

Yes, only West Springfield, Chantilly and Lake Braddock have more students than Westfield. Westfield has never been renovated. When it opened in the late 90s, it was already over the 2500 student design/building capacity--they had to put trailers in the parking lots-- so they added modular classrooms to the original building. The common areas (cafeteria, gym, halls, bathrooms) were not expanded. It is crowded now at 2700 and there is a lot of new construction in-zone. Re-zoning additional existing neighborhoods to Westfield would not make sense.

Presumably they would move kids from Westfield to Herndon.

There are new housing developments in Westfield zone--very close to Westfield-some are right by the Sully government center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield has 2700 students already. Isn't it already one of the largest HS? Why are you trying to move more kids there?

Yes, only West Springfield, Chantilly and Lake Braddock have more students than Westfield. Westfield has never been renovated. When it opened in the late 90s, it was already over the 2500 student design/building capacity--they had to put trailers in the parking lots-- so they added modular classrooms to the original building. The common areas (cafeteria, gym, halls, bathrooms) were not expanded. It is crowded now at 2700 and there is a lot of new construction in-zone. Re-zoning additional existing neighborhoods to Westfield would not make sense.

Presumably they would move kids from Westfield to Herndon.

There are new housing developments in Westfield zone--very close to Westfield-some are right by the Sully government center.

And, some are very expensive--close to Loudoun border, but in Westfield school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

If you want to go that route, there's no need to eliminate IB. Just don't allow people to change for the purposes of IB/AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

DP. The "issues" are (1) under-enrollment relative to capacity; and (2) a perception of "brain drain" to nearby, more affluent schools (i.e., a lot of Lewis kids transfer to Lake Braddock purportedly for AP and a lot of Herndon kids transfer to South Lakes purportedly for IB). Eliminate IB and these transfers aren't possible.

Note that PP put "issues" in quotes because they presumably question whether this is really the problem that some boundary change advocates suggest.

But suddenly these students develop a fondness for a language that Lewis doesn't offer and leave anyway. You would have to shut language transfers down along with making all schools AP.

Maybe but that’s a higher barrier and they could make language offerings more consistent even if not identical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

If you want to go that route, there's no need to eliminate IB. Just don't allow people to change for the purposes of IB/AP.

That’s fairly draconian. No one should be without an option to avoid an IB school. It is more of a niche program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You will be iced out of Chantilly because there's many more kids who are closer to that school than you are. One reason why I didn't buy in Franklin Farms or Franklin Glen, Oak Hill area for that matter. That whole area could easily be transferred to Westfield and it's not even that crazy because as PP said there are surrounding neighborhoods even further away already going to Westfield.

That's because the South Lakes and Herndon PTA's refused them during the 2008 boundary study. And, yes, it was the South Lakes PTA that made the decisions.

It doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if kids living off of Sunrise Valley can attend Westfield, so can PP in Franklin Farms.

Yep. And Centreville can relieve Westfield when the renovation is finished. Virginia Run elementary could shift to Centreville.

Many people want to ignore the possible changes.

And, whether serious or not, all these suggestions do not change anything. You are just moving the chess pieces and it won't make anything better. Shifting neighborhoods for no good reason.
There were reasons that the neighborhoods were assigned where they are--and most of those reasons still exist.

When/if Centreville is expanded, is the time to adjust. Not now. And, likely, Centreville will take kids from Fairfax whose boundary boundary borders the Centreville High property.

The only simple fix to all of this is to eliminate IB. That fixes the so-called "issues" at Lewis and Herndon.

What issues are at Lewis and Herndon?

DP. The "issues" are (1) under-enrollment relative to capacity; and (2) a perception of "brain drain" to nearby, more affluent schools (i.e., a lot of Lewis kids transfer to Lake Braddock purportedly for AP and a lot of Herndon kids transfer to South Lakes purportedly for IB). Eliminate IB and these transfers aren't possible.

Note that PP put "issues" in quotes because they presumably question whether this is really the problem that some boundary change advocates suggest.

But suddenly these students develop a fondness for a language that Lewis doesn't offer and leave anyway. You would have to shut language transfers down along with making all schools AP.

Maybe but that’s a higher barrier and they could make language offerings more consistent even if not identical.

It really isn't a high barrier. Lake Braddock offers Latin, Japanese, and Korean. South County offers Japanese and Latin. Lewis doesn't offer any of these. So a student just picks one of these and transfers (the accepting schools really don't say no as long as they aren't over capacity).