DC United Academy - aa strong academy or not

[Anonymous]

Youth national teams are collections of players at a point in time. A very narrow point in time. Why a player could be outstanding at 15 but garbage at 19. They aren't really a solid gauge on development because the national team itself isn't about development. It is about winning games and putting who they think are the best players in the country on the field to do that.

But again, consistency on the youth national teams is a good indicator of a strong development focus in a region or in an academy. Not the only indicator but just one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And this conclusion you came to is exactly why the sport is allowed to be mediocre in the DMV and why DCU is allowed to continue to be crap. You think and rationalize that no one is doing it well so it is ok that DCU doesn't do things well. But you're just so wrong on this.

Union, Red Bulls and Real Salt Lake (these are just three examples but there are others that are close) are literally so far ahead of DCU with their academies it isn't even fair to compare them. DCU isn't in the same stratosphere. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

If youth national team makeup was the only barometer of the success of a youth academy then most of the top youth Academies in the world would also be failing according to your logic. Why Barca, Sporting Lisbon, Zagreb, man City have some players on youth national teams but the entire roster is of course not all from those academies. But those academies CLEARLY are some of the best in the world and the big difference is that they consistently put kids on the youth national teams and the national team and their pro teams. This consistency is the mark of a better academy. Consistency is something that DCU doesn't and probably never will have.

And yes, youth national teams are also political. Like you say. But unfortunately for your argument, that also means that DCU is also not politically connected or savvy. All around, DCU is just not it.

I'm the PP and don't know why you are throwing me into your silly argument. I just posted the make-up of the u17s world cup squad. Leave me out of your other nonsense please and gracias

[Anonymous]

And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this conclusion you came to is exactly why the sport is allowed to be mediocre in the DMV and why DCU is allowed to continue to be crap. You think and rationalize that no one is doing it well so it is ok that DCU doesn't do things well. But you're just so wrong on this.

Union, Red Bulls and Real Salt Lake (these are just three examples but there are others that are close) are literally so far ahead of DCU with their academies it isn't even fair to compare them. DCU isn't in the same stratosphere. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

If youth national team makeup was the only barometer of the success of a youth academy then most of the top youth Academies in the world would also be failing according to your logic. Why Barca, Sporting Lisbon, Zagreb, man City have some players on youth national teams but the entire roster is of course not all from those academies. But those academies CLEARLY are some of the best in the world and the big difference is that they consistently put kids on the youth national teams and the national team and their pro teams. This consistency is the mark of a better academy. Consistency is something that DCU doesn't and probably never will have.

And yes, youth national teams are also political. Like you say. But unfortunately for your argument, that also means that DCU is also not politically connected or savvy. All around, DCU is just not it.

I'm the PP and don't know why you are throwing me into your silly argument. I just posted the make-up of the u17s world cup squad. Leave me out of your other nonsense please and gracias

I wasn't really responding to your post with the u17 link. But I was responding to the PP. Noted and appreciate your note.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And this conclusion you came to is exactly why the sport is allowed to be mediocre in the DMV and why DCU is allowed to continue to be crap. You think and rationalize that no one is doing it well so it is ok that DCU doesn't do things well. But you're just so wrong on this.

Union, Red Bulls and Real Salt Lake (these are just three examples but there are others that are close) are literally so far ahead of DCU with their academies it isn't even fair to compare them. DCU isn't in the same stratosphere. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

If youth national team makeup was the only barometer of the success of a youth academy then most of the top youth Academies in the world would also be failing according to your logic. Why Barca, Sporting Lisbon, Zagreb, man City have some players on youth national teams but the entire roster is of course not all from those academies. But those academies CLEARLY are some of the best in the world and the big difference is that they consistently put kids on the youth national teams and the national team and their pro teams. This consistency is the mark of a better academy. Consistency is something that DCU doesn't and probably never will have.

And yes, youth national teams are also political. Like you say. But unfortunately for your argument, that also means that DCU is also not politically connected or savvy. All around, DCU is just not it.

16 MLS clubs are not represented in the U17s
That’s the Fact

It's your Opinion as to the levels of dcu compared to the other 15 not represented in the U17s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this conclusion you came to is exactly why the sport is allowed to be mediocre in the DMV and why DCU is allowed to continue to be crap. You think and rationalize that no one is doing it well so it is ok that DCU doesn't do things well. But you're just so wrong on this.

Union, Red Bulls and Real Salt Lake (these are just three examples but there are others that are close) are literally so far ahead of DCU with their academies it isn't even fair to compare them. DCU isn't in the same stratosphere. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

If youth national team makeup was the only barometer of the success of a youth academy then most of the top youth Academies in the world would also be failing according to your logic. Why Barca, Sporting Lisbon, Zagreb, man City have some players on youth national teams but the entire roster is of course not all from those academies. But those academies CLEARLY are some of the best in the world and the big difference is that they consistently put kids on the youth national teams and the national team and their pro teams. This consistency is the mark of a better academy. Consistency is something that DCU doesn't and probably never will have.

And yes, youth national teams are also political. Like you say. But unfortunately for your argument, that also means that DCU is also not politically connected or savvy. All around, DCU is just not it.

16 MLS clubs are not represented in the U17s
That’s the Fact

It's your Opinion as to the levels of dcu compared to the other 15 not represented in the U17s

So what?? Literally does not speak to the quality of their acsdemies...just that USSF didn't select some of their players at this point in time. USSF also didn't select DCU kids for this roster AND it has a terrible academy so it isn't surprising. Not a surprise that Philly Union and Red bulls lead the selections with 4 and 2 respectively. Real Salt Lake also has 2. Almost 40 percent of the roster is made up of the three academies I listed in my PP( Union, red bulls and salt lake) How about those facts?

It isn't my opinion that DCU isnt comparable. It is widely known and accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And this conclusion you came to is exactly why the sport is allowed to be mediocre in the DMV and why DCU is allowed to continue to be crap. You think and rationalize that no one is doing it well so it is ok that DCU doesn't do things well. But you're just so wrong on this.

Union, Red Bulls and Real Salt Lake (these are just three examples but there are others that are close) are literally so far ahead of DCU with their academies it isn't even fair to compare them. DCU isn't in the same stratosphere. You're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

If youth national team makeup was the only barometer of the success of a youth academy then most of the top youth Academies in the world would also be failing according to your logic. Why Barca, Sporting Lisbon, Zagreb, man City have some players on youth national teams but the entire roster is of course not all from those academies. But those academies CLEARLY are some of the best in the world and the big difference is that they consistently put kids on the youth national teams and the national team and their pro teams. This consistency is the mark of a better academy. Consistency is something that DCU doesn't and probably never will have.

And yes, youth national teams are also political. Like you say. But unfortunately for your argument, that also means that DCU is also not politically connected or savvy. All around, DCU is just not it.

16 MLS clubs are not represented in the U17s
That’s the Fact

It's your Opinion as to the levels of dcu compared to the other 15 not represented in the U17s

So what?? Literally does not speak to the quality of their acsdemies...just that USSF didn't select some of their players at this point in time. USSF also didn't select DCU kids for this roster AND it has a terrible academy so it isn't surprising. Not a surprise that Philly Union and Red bulls lead the selections with 4 and 2 respectively. Real Salt Lake also has 2. Almost 40 percent of the roster is made up of the three academies I listed in my PP( Union, red bulls and salt lake) How about those facts?

It isn't my opinion that DCU isnt comparable. It is widely known and accepted.

Do you have a speech prepared for the U15 and U16 rosters that have DCU kids

Or your entire logic is based on this snapshot selection of U17s?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

Unless one is in a rubber room wearing a straight jacket, you'll choose Barcelona Academy over all MLS academies

Since Barca has a consistent proven track record of matriculation of players to top professional and international levels, which no MLS academy does

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

Unless one is in a rubber room wearing a straight jacket, you'll choose Barcelona Academy over all MLS academies

Since Barca has a consistent proven track record of matriculation of players to top professional and international levels, which no MLS academy does

But some.mls academies have a WAY stronger track record than DCU. The entire point of the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

Unless one is in a rubber room wearing a straight jacket, you'll choose Barcelona Academy over all MLS academies

Since Barca has a consistent proven track record of matriculation of players to top professional and international levels, which no MLS academy does

But some.mls academies have a WAY stronger track record than DCU. The entire point of the thread.

Please present the entirety of this track record data of all 27 academies for a comprehensive objective review. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

Unless one is in a rubber room wearing a straight jacket, you'll choose Barcelona Academy over all MLS academies

Since Barca has a consistent proven track record of matriculation of players to top professional and international levels, which no MLS academy does

But some.mls academies have a WAY stronger track record than DCU. The entire point of the thread.

Please present the entirety of this track record data of all 27 academies for a comprehensive objective review. Thanks

Like clockwork.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

Unless one is in a rubber room wearing a straight jacket, you'll choose Barcelona Academy over all MLS academies

Since Barca has a consistent proven track record of matriculation of players to top professional and international levels, which no MLS academy does

But some.mls academies have a WAY stronger track record than DCU. The entire point of the thread.

Please present the entirety of this track record data of all 27 academies for a comprehensive objective review. Thanks

Has already been presented in the thread MULTIPLE TIMES. Now you're just being annoying for the sake of being annoying. Grow up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you want to really know how everyone is being played in the US youth system think about this...if you took all the players with US eligibility who are playing overseas and put them all on the youth national teams in the US they would literally DESTROY the current youth national team selections. At all age groups. They are just in better systems with stronger competition and faster speed of play.

But US Soccer can't do this even though it wants to because at the younger ages it has to have parents believe that the US system overall is good. It fuels pay to play and it also fuels the MLS academies. But notice what happens at the ages where really playing football at a high level matters. The older age groups and the actual national team.. almost all of those teams are made up players that are coming from overseas. And many of them were developed overseas. USSF COMPLETELY gives up on its own system in favor of kids developed overseas because they know, as everyone else does, those kids are just better players because they have been in stronger environments for longer periods of time. MLS players on the national team are the outliers, not the standard like it is on the youth teams. .

What this tells you is that even the USSF knows the system is faulty overall. But what it also tells you is that within this system, there are acsdemies that are doing things the right way and because of that they have more political sway and also have more consistency on the youth national teams. Union, red bulls, salt lake, Dallas are a few. DCU is not close to having any sway and it is known within USSF that DCU is not really productive..

Based on the numbers of MLS academy kids who end up on National teams and go top tier professionals, the percentage of "productive", to use your term, players is less than 0.84%

So that clearly shows that all this hoopla about which academy organization you're in is much less relevant than the individual when looking at final outcomes.

But let's all tell ourselves whatever we want

Again, in a game of low margins, you try to increase your chances of success by putting a player in better environments. DCU is not one of those environments.. the chances of success are low all around. But best believe you would put your kid in Barca over DCU. Hmmm..wonder why that is?

Unless one is in a rubber room wearing a straight jacket, you'll choose Barcelona Academy over all MLS academies

Since Barca has a consistent proven track record of matriculation of players to top professional and international levels, which no MLS academy does

But some.mls academies have a WAY stronger track record than DCU. The entire point of the thread.

Please present the entirety of this track record data of all 27 academies for a comprehensive objective review. Thanks

What you don't understand is that I don't care if you believe me or not. It is obvious what kind of academy DCU is. Whether you accept it makes no difference to me