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This story about the child's remains in Florida, presumed to be Caylee, is heartbreaking. I just read an update that said the computer in her mother's home was found to have google searches for chloroform, decomposition, household weapons, neck-breaking, etc. It just makes me sick to think someone would kill their child before giving it to a family member or even a stranger.
Are these women insane, delusional, selfish?? In Caylee's case, her father would have been happy to take the little girl, her grandparents would have taken her, she had to have known there were so many other options if she wanted to be free of being a mother and go back to being a party girl. It's just so incredibly SAD.... and her mother is sitting there in jail pretending to be upset about it. |
| I was just asking my husband about that this morning. I can't bear it when my two year old gets a skinned knee. I am completely at a loss of how a parent could hurt a child deliberately. This stories broke my heart before I had kids. I can barely watch them now, though. Just horrible. |
I hear you! As far as being affected by your child's suffering, I could not even hurt an ANIMAL, much less my own CHILD. Think about it... how many of us would agonize over putting a PET to sleep (and that's merciful!!). How does a person do that to their child[b]? I just can't understand it... How do you live with yourself? Apparently, Caylee's mom (I can't remember her name, nor do I care to bother looking her sorry ass up via Google) is still joking around with visitors, believing Caylee is out there alive somewhere. Is she just insane, or trying to bluff all the way to the end? |
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I know, I hate hearing about these stories. If anyone tried to hurt my daughter I'd die trying to protect her, so it's hard to understand how a mom could do something like this.
I think it's because there is a lot of shame involved in not wanting your own child, and giving her to the grandparents or father would be admitting to them that she is so horrible she'd rather party than take care of her own child. If she'd asked her parents or the father to take the girl, they probably would have chewed her out for not cleaning up her life and not being a better mom. She would rather play the role of grieving mom and have people feel sorry for her, than to admit that she didn't want her own child. So she's rid of the kid she didn't want, and had it worked she would be the recipient of sympathy instead of anger/hatred. Also, I don't know what kind of drugs she was on, but that might have something to do with her lack of caring for others. I don't understand why she thought she'd get away with it. |
| She's a sociopath. This story sickens me. |
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Because they (the parents) are selfish and immature and woefully unprepared for parenthood. Because we glamorize teenage or young "adult" celebrities who have surprise pregnancies and the idiots in the universe think parenting is no big deal. Because we have millions of young people who thing that sex=love and don't care about the consequences. Because we don't promote adoption as a reasonable alternative. Because we don't have enough courage to say "you are or will be a bad parent and you don't have the right to have a child just because you think it is fun and cute and a source of unconditional love." Because we allow fathers to abdicate their responsibilities. Because we don't hold people accountable for their decisions (or lack thereof). Because we are afraid to "judge," when that's exactly what we (as a society) should be doing. I'm a socialist (or farther left) on this topic. As absurd as it sounds, I would rather we require people to get a license to have children than to get married. I don't understand all the hoopla about preventing same sex marriage (who cares, really?), while no one is passing laws or constitutional amendments that require people to take responsibility for their children, with the threat that they are taken away when there is even the slightest evidence that the parents are not doing their job. And no, I'm not talking about whether they have enough money -- this is about love and respect and discipline.
Now that I'm finished with that rant, I haven't read as much about it lately, but I didn't think the girl's father was in the pictures (but maybe I'm getting my horrible parents in the news stories mixed up). I thought there was no father listed on the birth certificate. |
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OP here...the father was in the picture. I saw him on Oprah when this all began and he was talking about how he was fighting for his daughter, but the mother wouldn't let him have custody. Which makes no sense, really... He seemed like a decent guy. I remember too that the grandmother (maternal) was really tough on Caylee's mom about not allowing her to give the baby up for adoption (something about "over my dead body") or have an abortion when she first found out she was pregnant.
It just seems to me that there were so many other options if she so desperately wanted her old life back. The dad, the maternal grandparents, adoption, you name it. I remember the case in Texas where the mom drowned her five kids at home in the bath tub, then calmly called the father to come home from work right away. Turned out she was insane and thought that killing the kids before they reached the age of accountability would ensure they got into heaven - - that was her motive. When she got into the psych ward and they started pumping her full of antipsychotic meds, and she realized what she had done, she flipped out WAY worse than when she was crazy. I can't remember what they did with her... if she was medicated, she was suicidal. If she wasn't medicated, she was psychotic. With Caylee's mom, she's just not remorseful or psychotic. Just cold blooded. |
| This takes me back to the whole Lacey Peterson story. I used to work with someone who was friends with Lacey's really good friend that was pregnant at the same time as her (this is the friend who was on TV, her maid of honor, etc). My coworker flew to CA to the baby shower and said it was awful. The friend was grieving her missing pregnant friend yet trying to celebrate her own pregnancy. I used to get updates about the family while we still worked together. I know this topic about mothers killing their children, but this was the father of the child killing his pregnant wife. Just as strange to me. |
| Sorry but I'm not buying the grandmothers story. I think she knows what happened, more than shes telling or played a part in the whole thing. I'm not saying the mom is innocent, but grandma needs to be looked at more closely. |
Yeah, there is something very strange about the grandparents behavior. The grandma was the one who first alerted the cops that something was wrong, but then suddenly she changed her tune and started acting like she thought her daughter was innocent. Doesn't make sense. I was wondering if she found something, realized her daughter might get the death penalty, and that's why the change. |
Kind of like the thread about the recent house fire, I think that until you are in a horrible, surreal situation like that family's, you really don't know how you would behave, what is "normal" behavior, etc. etc. I am sure that the grandmother has a very, very difficult time believing that someone she loved, her own daughter, could be capable of such a heinous crime, against HER own daughter. Grandma probably wants to believe her little Caylee is still alive. Look at the story about Jon Benet - everyone said the parent's behavior was "off". What is normal behavior in a horrible situation like that? Now years later, I believe I saw recently that law enforcement says DNA recently completely clears the family. Too late to help them though, too late for the mom who has passed away since. We all are lucky to never have been in a horrible situation like those. But I know from experience what it is like to have a family member who is a liar and a sneak and a cheat.... and you want so badly to believe that this person whom you love can change, that they are telling the truth, that you can believe them, that they didn't really do this horrible thing, etc. etc. And that's just run of the mill deception. Murder? Murder of a child? Murder of a child you loved? It's got to be extremely hard to wrap your mind around that. In the Caylee case, I think we can't judge the grandma. The mom (Casey), clearly, something is very, very wrong there. |
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I just can't figure out why the police didn't find the evidence? It took a reader-meter to find this?
Was the body disposed of after the police did the search? Was the area underwater/swampy at the time of the search? Isn't there some statistic that "disappearance" crimes usually are "found" within 3 miles of the scene - this being a perfect example - a wooded area only 10 football fields away from the grandparents? And what evidence was near the body that linked the grandparents (or linking Caylee's mom - she could've been the one on the internet, she could've used a garbage bag from her parents' house, etc.)? |
| I read that indeed, the spot where it was found was flooded at the time of the search. |
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Therapists, counselors, psychologists, and others in the field that specialize in pathology consider MOTHERS who kill their own children a special kind of pathology, it is considered as unnatural as it gets, especially if there is no major depression involved (i.e. the cases of severe PDD). Even when fathers kill their own, it is considered not AS unnatural (while equally HORRIBLE) as when a mom does it.
It is a troubled soul that kills their child. Many people study this b/cit flies in the face of reason. So sad... |
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THIS is absolutely unbelievable:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/index.html |