What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And how tone deaf is it to say that Discovery kids can't lose their fields, so APS would put more trailers at McKinley (the school who already has no field)??

Discovery. Does. Not. Have. Fields.

Moron.

So we can have elementary schools without fields? Discovery has no green space?

That is correct. Discovery's portion of the parcel has its building, two playgrounds (one for the preschool, one for the rest of the elementary school) and a parking lot. Its only green space is the steep, narrow hill between the school/playground and the street. The turf soccer fields are fenced off from the school and while the parcel is all owned by APS, they have some kind of lease agreement with the county for the fields so APS is limited as to what they can do with them (i.e., they can't put trailers on them and take them out of use).

I am confused because it seems like the Discovery students are on the soccer fields during the school day?

Cleaning the discovery has Newfields is just miss direction, of course the school uses them. But they can’t be used for trailers because, the county! Ridiculous, and if you have a C in the discovery playground, it is as big as most of the Other schools entire field.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Nottingham and Key either sink or swim together here. If they don’t want to be displaced, they need to work together to jointly show why moving programs around isn’t the only path in this boundary process. For example, restoring neighborhood preference at Key is something Nottingham should be advocating for more than just about anything if they want their school to stay a neighborhood school. Trying to show why Tuckahoe or Discovery are better candidates probably doesn’t get them very far. Bashing choice programs isn’t going to end choice programs. If Key doesn’t move because it (with ASFS) provides adequate local seats, however, the chain reaction that threatens to displace Nottingham doesn’t happen.

RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE AT KEY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOR WOULD IT SOLVE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the situation was completely inequitable- that if you had the funds to buy into the Key neighborhood you had the guaranteed choice of two schools, whereas the rest of the county had to compete for limited immersion seats.
This was a unanimous decision of the school board just last year. This is not going to change.

And here is the Cherry Dale parents who started this whole mess they were bitter about not being able to afford Lyon Village.

By the way, there was no enroll in crisis before this preference change, Key had just started having a wait list for out of bounds, and science focus is fine with trailers.

The neighborhood preference had to change, it was patently unfair to the families in other schools assigned to Key who effectively had no access to an immersion program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And how tone deaf is it to say that Discovery kids can't lose their fields, so APS would put more trailers at McKinley (the school who already has no field)??

Discovery. Does. Not. Have. Fields.

Moron.

So we can have elementary schools without fields? Discovery has no green space?

That is correct. Discovery's portion of the parcel has its building, two playgrounds (one for the preschool, one for the rest of the elementary school) and a parking lot. Its only green space is the steep, narrow hill between the school/playground and the street. The turf soccer fields are fenced off from the school and while the parcel is all owned by APS, they have some kind of lease agreement with the county for the fields so APS is limited as to what they can do with them (i.e., they can't put trailers on them and take them out of use).

I am confused because it seems like the Discovery students are on the soccer fields during the school day?

Cleaning the discovery has Newfields is just miss direction, of course the school uses them. But they can’t be used for trailers because, the county! Ridiculous, and if you have a C in the discovery playground, it is as big as most of the Other schools entire field.

Are you drunk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Nottingham and Key either sink or swim together here. If they don’t want to be displaced, they need to work together to jointly show why moving programs around isn’t the only path in this boundary process. For example, restoring neighborhood preference at Key is something Nottingham should be advocating for more than just about anything if they want their school to stay a neighborhood school. Trying to show why Tuckahoe or Discovery are better candidates probably doesn’t get them very far. Bashing choice programs isn’t going to end choice programs. If Key doesn’t move because it (with ASFS) provides adequate local seats, however, the chain reaction that threatens to displace Nottingham doesn’t happen.

RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE AT KEY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOR WOULD IT SOLVE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the situation was completely inequitable- that if you had the funds to buy into the Key neighborhood you had the guaranteed choice of two schools, whereas the rest of the county had to compete for limited immersion seats.
This was a unanimous decision of the school board just last year. This is not going to change.

And here is the Cherry Dale parents who started this whole mess they were bitter about not being able to afford Lyon Village.

By the way, there was no enroll in crisis before this preference change, Key had just started having a wait list for out of bounds, and science focus is fine with trailers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. By all means attack someone's motive if you don't have a good argument. And by the way you are completely wrong-- I am a KEY parent. I stand to suffer from the move. And actually- numerous families were boxed out of Claremont b/c of the neighborhood preference. With the growth it meant they were going to be boxed out of Key too- the system could see it coming.
Yes- Claremont families have been let into Key- but that was not a solution b/c APS refused to provide them transportation, and only let them in at the last minute when extended day was full. So to take advantage of that you had to have the resources to get your kids to school every day and find childcare outside of extended day.
I am so so sick of my fellow Key parents being so completely tone deaf on this one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Nottingham and Key either sink or swim together here. If they don’t want to be displaced, they need to work together to jointly show why moving programs around isn’t the only path in this boundary process. For example, restoring neighborhood preference at Key is something Nottingham should be advocating for more than just about anything if they want their school to stay a neighborhood school. Trying to show why Tuckahoe or Discovery are better candidates probably doesn’t get them very far. Bashing choice programs isn’t going to end choice programs. If Key doesn’t move because it (with ASFS) provides adequate local seats, however, the chain reaction that threatens to displace Nottingham doesn’t happen.

RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE AT KEY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOR WOULD IT SOLVE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the situation was completely inequitable- that if you had the funds to buy into the Key neighborhood you had the guaranteed choice of two schools, whereas the rest of the county had to compete for limited immersion seats.
This was a unanimous decision of the school board just last year. This is not going to change.

And here is the Cherry Dale parents who started this whole mess they were bitter about not being able to afford Lyon Village.

By the way, there was no enroll in crisis before this preference change, Key had just started having a wait list for out of bounds, and science focus is fine with trailers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. By all means attack someone's motive if you don't have a good argument. And by the way you are completely wrong-- I am a KEY parent. I stand to suffer from the move. And actually- numerous families were boxed out of Claremont b/c of the neighborhood preference. With the growth it meant they were going to be boxed out of Key too- the system could see it coming.
Yes- Claremont families have been let into Key- but that was not a solution b/c APS refused to provide them transportation, and only let them in at the last minute when extended day was full. So to take advantage of that you had to have the resources to get your kids to school every day and find childcare outside of extended day.
I am so so sick of my fellow Key parents being so completely tone deaf on this one.

No need to go low and insult Key parents. But it should be emphasized, in reference to other posters, that, yes, this game is over. Key is moving and it’s wishful thinking to pretend otherwise.

[Anonymous]

The staff needs to be willing to have an honest process with all options (but the four officially excluded) on the table. Their own analysis would identify at least two schools in NW that are better candidates for option sites than Nottingham, sites that would be better not just for the Nottingham community but for NW as a whole, but they've disregarded it because it's not the result they want, which is dishonest. If that's the way they wanted to go with it, they shouldn't have created that farce of an analysis and should have just put their proposal out on the table for us to discuss openly and honestly.

And really, anyone else watching this process who thinks they're safe from any big changes is a fool, because this is only the latest in a long line of decisions by the SB/staff where we've learned after the fact that they were hiding key information and considerations from the public at the time. How do you think the boundaries are going to work when Nottingham becomes an option school? Most of Tuckahoe isn't going to be at Tuckahoe anymore, the only way you can fill McKinley once Reed opens is to take all of Tuckahoe's planning units south of Lee Highway and southwest of 66, and then they'll still have to hook the McKinley zone around the Reed zone to fill it (and take Ashlawn north of Wilson). Tuckahoe will be majority former-Nottingham after the switch. Ashlawn's boundary is still going to be a long, snaking mess unless the SB decides to cross 50 and fill it with former Carlin Springs families instead (which I think is a strong possibility because they're otherwise going to have a tough time placing those families. Glebe is either going to have a bunch of trailers even after this, or some of their walking families on the eastern side will be bused to Taylor or ASFS. McKinley, and to a lesser extent Tuckahoe, are still going to have a disproportionate number of students because they are the only schools in the staff-designated NW other than Jamestown that can take trailers, and we know the staff has declared Jamestown untouchable.

I think a lot of people in NW (and the north generally) who believe themselves to be sitting pretty right now are going to be very surprised when the new boundary map comes out. I guarantee you the staff already has a draft of it, but they're going to withhold it until the last minute when they make their recommendation and it's too late to revisit the location selection because they don't want more objections to their plan. So look at your school and think about what the boundaries will have to be after this. Make sure you're good with them.
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This Nottingham parent has been posting the same thing for weeks now. Yawn. Apparently staff and SB agree.

[Anonymous]

Ok. The recent posts are all pretty pointless. First of all, I will say this again. I am a long time Cherrydale resident and we are perfectly happy at Taylor. None of the parents I know (whose kids will now be relocated to ASFS most likely) advocated for any of this. Most of them, like me, expressed concern to one another, that their kids would be splitting up more than 1/2 way through elementary school. OTOH, we know they'll most likely see each other again in MS, so it is what it is.

2nd, what is this utter nonsense about picking at Discovery. If you're pissed off about the recent documents posted by the APS staff, who clearly appear to have a "grand plan" for everything regardless of community input, then direct your ire at them. What do the families zoned for Discovery have to do with how the school land, etc. field space is? It's just extra chatter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Nottingham and Key either sink or swim together here. If they don’t want to be displaced, they need to work together to jointly show why moving programs around isn’t the only path in this boundary process. For example, restoring neighborhood preference at Key is something Nottingham should be advocating for more than just about anything if they want their school to stay a neighborhood school. Trying to show why Tuckahoe or Discovery are better candidates probably doesn’t get them very far. Bashing choice programs isn’t going to end choice programs. If Key doesn’t move because it (with ASFS) provides adequate local seats, however, the chain reaction that threatens to displace Nottingham doesn’t happen.

RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE AT KEY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOR WOULD IT SOLVE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the situation was completely inequitable- that if you had the funds to buy into the Key neighborhood you had the guaranteed choice of two schools, whereas the rest of the county had to compete for limited immersion seats.
This was a unanimous decision of the school board just last year. This is not going to change.

And here is the Cherry Dale parents who started this whole mess they were bitter about not being able to afford Lyon Village.

By the way, there was no enroll in crisis before this preference change, Key had just started having a wait list for out of bounds, and science focus is fine with trailers.

The neighborhood preference had to change, it was patently unfair to the families in other schools assigned to Key who effectively had no access to an immersion program.

I’m not sure what you are saying. Do you mean that, back when Key was a neighborhood/option hybrid, there weren’t enough lottery seats for everyone who wanted one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok. The recent posts are all pretty pointless. First of all, I will say this again. I am a long time Cherrydale resident and we are perfectly happy at Taylor. None of the parents I know (whose kids will now be relocated to ASFS most likely) advocated for any of this. Most of them, like me, expressed concern to one another, that their kids would be splitting up more than 1/2 way through elementary school. OTOH, we know they'll most likely see each other again in MS, so it is what it is.

2nd, what is this utter nonsense about picking at Discovery. If you're pissed off about the recent documents posted by the APS staff, who clearly appear to have a "grand plan" for everything regardless of community input, then direct your ire at them. What do the families zoned for Discovery have to do with how the school land, etc. field space is? It's just extra chatter.

They did have access, as an option school.

[Anonymous]

Re Discovery fields/trailers:

Discovery is located on the Williamsburg parcel owned by Arlington Public Schools, and the county board approved construction of Discovery on that parcel per Use Permit U-3372-13-1. The portion of the parcel approved for the use permit is the portion where APS built the school, the playgrounds and the parking lot; those were the only portions APS was authorized to develop for use by Discovery. Because the project would eliminate a soccer field (where they put in the parking lot), the county board extracted a compromise from APS at the time that the CB would approve the use permit for Discovery only if the remaining field space could be upgraded with turf and other amenities and if that space would remain available for joint use by APS and the county. Discovery students may use those open fields during the school day, but APS cannot put trailers on those fields or do anything else to interfere with their use by the county.

There's a lot of good information in this document about the development of Discovery: http://arlington.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=2651&meta_id=113029. It is rather lengthy, though, so I will direct you to page 29 for information about the Joint Use Agreement between APS and the County on the fields. Also see pages 75-77, where development and maintenance of the fields for joint use is a mandatory condition of the ongoing use permit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The staff needs to be willing to have an honest process with all options (but the four officially excluded) on the table. Their own analysis would identify at least two schools in NW that are better candidates for option sites than Nottingham, sites that would be better not just for the Nottingham community but for NW as a whole, but they've disregarded it because it's not the result they want, which is dishonest. If that's the way they wanted to go with it, they shouldn't have created that farce of an analysis and should have just put their proposal out on the table for us to discuss openly and honestly.

And really, anyone else watching this process who thinks they're safe from any big changes is a fool, because this is only the latest in a long line of decisions by the SB/staff where we've learned after the fact that they were hiding key information and considerations from the public at the time. How do you think the boundaries are going to work when Nottingham becomes an option school? Most of Tuckahoe isn't going to be at Tuckahoe anymore, the only way you can fill McKinley once Reed opens is to take all of Tuckahoe's planning units south of Lee Highway and southwest of 66, and then they'll still have to hook the McKinley zone around the Reed zone to fill it (and take Ashlawn north of Wilson). Tuckahoe will be majority former-Nottingham after the switch. Ashlawn's boundary is still going to be a long, snaking mess unless the SB decides to cross 50 and fill it with former Carlin Springs families instead (which I think is a strong possibility because they're otherwise going to have a tough time placing those families. Glebe is either going to have a bunch of trailers even after this, or some of their walking families on the eastern side will be bused to Taylor or ASFS. McKinley, and to a lesser extent Tuckahoe, are still going to have a disproportionate number of students because they are the only schools in the staff-designated NW other than Jamestown that can take trailers, and we know the staff has declared Jamestown untouchable.

I think a lot of people in NW (and the north generally) who believe themselves to be sitting pretty right now are going to be very surprised when the new boundary map comes out. I guarantee you the staff already has a draft of it, but they're going to withhold it until the last minute when they make their recommendation and it's too late to revisit the location selection because they don't want more objections to their plan. So look at your school and think about what the boundaries will have to be after this. Make sure you're good with them.
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This Nottingham parent has been posting the same thing for weeks now. Yawn. Apparently staff and SB agree.

Yes, the staff and SB agree they are going to go ahead with this plan without fully disclosing the consequences of it (just like they did on multiple points with the Reed construction, just like they're doing to the current Henry community who were led to believe they would all move to Fleet together, just like they did with removing neighborhood preference from Key, just like they did with the boundary rezoning to McKinley). Why do you believe this process will be different and you will be unaffected?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And how tone deaf is it to say that Discovery kids can't lose their fields, so APS would put more trailers at McKinley (the school who already has no field)??

Discovery. Does. Not. Have. Fields.

Moron.

So we can have elementary schools without fields? Discovery has no green space?

That is correct. Discovery's portion of the parcel has its building, two playgrounds (one for the preschool, one for the rest of the elementary school) and a parking lot. Its only green space is the steep, narrow hill between the school/playground and the street. The turf soccer fields are fenced off from the school and while the parcel is all owned by APS, they have some kind of lease agreement with the county for the fields so APS is limited as to what they can do with them (i.e., they can't put trailers on them and take them out of use).

I am confused because it seems like the Discovery students are on the soccer fields during the school day?

Shhh! Don’t tell people that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And how tone deaf is it to say that Discovery kids can't lose their fields, so APS would put more trailers at McKinley (the school who already has no field)??

Discovery. Does. Not. Have. Fields.

Moron.

So we can have elementary schools without fields? Discovery has no green space?

That is correct. Discovery's portion of the parcel has its building, two playgrounds (one for the preschool, one for the rest of the elementary school) and a parking lot. Its only green space is the steep, narrow hill between the school/playground and the street. The turf soccer fields are fenced off from the school and while the parcel is all owned by APS, they have some kind of lease agreement with the county for the fields so APS is limited as to what they can do with them (i.e., they can't put trailers on them and take them out of use).

I am confused because it seems like the Discovery students are on the soccer fields during the school day?

Shhh! Don’t tell people that.

See 10:13.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And how tone deaf is it to say that Discovery kids can't lose their fields, so APS would put more trailers at McKinley (the school who already has no field)??

Discovery. Does. Not. Have. Fields.

Moron.

So we can have elementary schools without fields? Discovery has no green space?

That is correct. Discovery's portion of the parcel has its building, two playgrounds (one for the preschool, one for the rest of the elementary school) and a parking lot. Its only green space is the steep, narrow hill between the school/playground and the street. The turf soccer fields are fenced off from the school and while the parcel is all owned by APS, they have some kind of lease agreement with the county for the fields so APS is limited as to what they can do with them (i.e., they can't put trailers on them and take them out of use).

I am confused because it seems like the Discovery students are on the soccer fields during the school day?

Shhh! Don’t tell people that.

See 10:13.

Discovery uses the fields without line of site to the school but can't use the trailers on the tennis courts? We are not talking about putting trailers on the fields, just using the existing ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Nottingham and Key either sink or swim together here. If they don’t want to be displaced, they need to work together to jointly show why moving programs around isn’t the only path in this boundary process. For example, restoring neighborhood preference at Key is something Nottingham should be advocating for more than just about anything if they want their school to stay a neighborhood school. Trying to show why Tuckahoe or Discovery are better candidates probably doesn’t get them very far. Bashing choice programs isn’t going to end choice programs. If Key doesn’t move because it (with ASFS) provides adequate local seats, however, the chain reaction that threatens to displace Nottingham doesn’t happen.

RESTORING NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE AT KEY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN NOR WOULD IT SOLVE ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the situation was completely inequitable- that if you had the funds to buy into the Key neighborhood you had the guaranteed choice of two schools, whereas the rest of the county had to compete for limited immersion seats.
This was a unanimous decision of the school board just last year. This is not going to change.

And here is the Cherry Dale parents who started this whole mess they were bitter about not being able to afford Lyon Village.

By the way, there was no enroll in crisis before this preference change, Key had just started having a wait list for out of bounds, and science focus is fine with trailers.

The neighborhood preference had to change, it was patently unfair to the families in other schools assigned to Key who effectively had no access to an immersion program.

I’m not sure what you are saying. Do you mean that, back when Key was a neighborhood/option hybrid, there weren’t enough lottery seats for everyone who wanted one?

Key had a waitlist for like 1 year? What is PP talking about?