Another choice school in N Arlington?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

And you have to accept that any new school, be it choice or neighborhood, will be built to a minimum of 725 seats.

[Anonymous]

Reed would draw McKinley kids from the Westover and Tara-Leeway civic associations. They are all bused on 3 different buses. They are not walkers to McKinley.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

The neighborhoods around Reed are overcrowded now. Even with the addition, Tuckahoe, McKinley and Glebe are over 100%. Those are real numbers. Any number that is for 2025 is speculatory and APS is notoriously bad at predicting even a few years out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

The neighborhoods around Reed are overcrowded now. Even with the addition, Tuckahoe, McKinley and Glebe are over 100%. Those are real numbers. Any number that is for 2025 is speculatory and APS is notoriously bad at predicting even a few years out.

Enough to fill a new 725 seat school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

The neighborhoods around Reed are overcrowded now. Even with the addition, Tuckahoe, McKinley and Glebe are over 100%. Those are real numbers. Any number that is for 2025 is speculatory and APS is notoriously bad at predicting even a few years out.

You seem to be saying APS should spend millions to give you a neighborhood school to relieve truly minimal overcrowding (less than 200 kids total I think) when there is a truly severe overcrowding problem in Ballston/Rosslyn that that does nothing to address, and a truly crushing high school overenrollment problem looming that will break the bank. Do you not see ANY problem with what you are suggesting?

[Anonymous]

^^ Look, it must be the woman from FAC posting again!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Look, it must be the woman from FAC posting again!

If it is, I agree with her. I am not alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

The neighborhoods around Reed are overcrowded now. Even with the addition, Tuckahoe, McKinley and Glebe are over 100%. Those are real numbers. Any number that is for 2025 is speculatory and APS is notoriously bad at predicting even a few years out.

You seem to be saying APS should spend millions to give you a neighborhood school to relieve truly minimal overcrowding (less than 200 kids total I think) when there is a truly severe overcrowding problem in Ballston/Rosslyn that that does nothing to address, and a truly crushing high school overenrollment problem looming that will break the bank. Do you not see ANY problem with what you are suggesting?

+1 We're at Long Branch and really frustrated that none of the options I see getting discussed reference Long Branch at all. It is in a serious capacity problem and as the, by far, smallest site in the district there is NO place to even put more than the 2 trailers we already heave. Yes, I know compared to the great numbers of trailers at other schools that does't seem like much but at least those schools have land to handle trailers. I haven't heard anything about what solutions are actually possible just to handle next year's over-capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You seem to be saying APS should spend millions to give you a neighborhood school to relieve truly minimal overcrowding (less than 200 kids total I think) when there is a truly severe overcrowding problem in Ballston/Rosslyn that that does nothing to address, and a truly crushing high school overenrollment problem looming that will break the bank. Do you not see ANY problem with what you are suggesting?

I'm from Westover and I haven't said any such thing. I am very concerned about the HS enrollment and I thin APS should put as much money as needed into that. Once that is done, work on the elementary schools. If Reed can make sense, use it. But, don't build a 725 just be/c they can if it isn't going to help the people who need it......like the Long Branch families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

The neighborhoods around Reed are overcrowded now. Even with the addition, Tuckahoe, McKinley and Glebe are over 100%. Those are real numbers. Any number that is for 2025 is speculatory and APS is notoriously bad at predicting even a few years out.

You seem to be saying APS should spend millions to give you a neighborhood school to relieve truly minimal overcrowding (less than 200 kids total I think) when there is a truly severe overcrowding problem in Ballston/Rosslyn that that does nothing to address, and a truly crushing high school overenrollment problem looming that will break the bank. Do you not see ANY problem with what you are suggesting?

+1 We're at Long Branch and really frustrated that none of the options I see getting discussed reference Long Branch at all. It is in a serious capacity problem and as the, by far, smallest site in the district there is NO place to even put more than the 2 trailers we already heave. Yes, I know compared to the great numbers of trailers at other schools that does't seem like much but at least those schools have land to handle trailers. I haven't heard anything about what solutions are actually possible just to handle next year's over-capacity.

Well, during the SAWG process, it was mentioned more than once, by staff, that building the new south Arlington school at TJ could allow for overflow from Long Branch. I don't think it would have been mentioned if they weren't already considering doing that. So, don't worry, even the new south Arlington school is going to help north Arlington.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:McK is opening the addition and will still end up over capacity. Ashlawn is still going to be over capacity. Glebe will still be over capacity. I'm sure Tuckahoe will, too. All of those would feed into or see relief from a Westover school. Those families moved to Nottingham would welcome being rejoined with their neighbors at Reed.

Putting a 725 seat school at Reed doesn't make sense, but it could be converted to something the size of Nottingham for not a lot of money and the extra could go to additions where needed.

The Westover residents have been asking for a neighborhood school for years, but some other area gets in with the SB first.

How do you draw the boundaries though when the walkable zones for Reed and McKinley would seem to overlap and the worst overcrowding is at Ashlawn? The Ashlawn boundaries are already some of the strangest in the county. Have you looked at the ES boundary map? And how does this help the NE, where the overcrowding is worst than in the NW? Look, I know Westover wants a neighborhood school now, but where was everyone when the McK addition was on the table? If the Westover residents want this to happen, they need to back up the proposal with more granular numbers. APS (and the rest of the county) is not going to give Westover a little neighborhood school based on vague speculation that Tuckahoe might also be over capacity some day, when APS has hard numbers showing that the NE is overcrowded now. This neighborhood vs. neighborhood BS will get you nowhere. You have to come up with a solution that will help the entirety of North Arlington if you want to be taken seriously.

The neighborhoods around Reed are overcrowded now. Even with the addition, Tuckahoe, McKinley and Glebe are over 100%. Those are real numbers. Any number that is for 2025 is speculatory and APS is notoriously bad at predicting even a few years out.

You seem to be saying APS should spend millions to give you a neighborhood school to relieve truly minimal overcrowding (less than 200 kids total I think) when there is a truly severe overcrowding problem in Ballston/Rosslyn that that does nothing to address, and a truly crushing high school overenrollment problem looming that will break the bank. Do you not see ANY problem with what you are suggesting?

+1 We're at Long Branch and really frustrated that none of the options I see getting discussed reference Long Branch at all. It is in a serious capacity problem and as the, by far, smallest site in the district there is NO place to even put more than the 2 trailers we already heave. Yes, I know compared to the great numbers of trailers at other schools that does't seem like much but at least those schools have land to handle trailers. I haven't heard anything about what solutions are actually possible just to handle next year's over-capacity.

Well, during the SAWG process, it was mentioned more than once, by staff, that building the new south Arlington school at TJ could allow for overflow from Long Branch. I don't think it would have been mentioned if they weren't already considering doing that. So, don't worry, even the new south Arlington school is going to help north Arlington.

Which long branch zones would be sent to the new school at jefferson? My kids aren't in school yet, but we are in ashton heights, down the street from long branch and across 50 from jefferson. I hear awesome things about Patrick Henry, and it would be great for the kids to go to school in a new building, but am I supposed to walk my kindergartner across a 6 lane highway with a toddler and baby in tow to get to elementary school? Even with the pedestrian bridge that sounds awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Look, it must be the woman from FAC posting again!

I'm not even sure what FAC is, so . . . nope.

[Anonymous]

The county needs to get the 11 acres at the Hospital site in s. Arlington, get it in the SB's hands, build a nice school (not crazy nice, but nice) with a nice park for the neighborhood. 11 acres will never present itself again. Completely analyze and rework the boundaries - for all levels. In the past, they have dickered around with only a few planning units here and there (near Tuckahoe, McK Nottingham and Glebe) moving, for example, 24 kids from one overcrowded school to another without resulting in comprehensive relief. In that process, figure out where a NEIGHBORhood elementary school needs to be located. Not a choice school. Few people want a choice school in their neighborhood. It may be that no land is available in the area that the projections show needs an elementary. In that case, build a school choice school, but allow 60 percent of the planning units surrounding that school to opt in first. Then the rest can come from the areas they believe will be overcrowded. Then build onto the schools that serve the overcrowded areas, if we can or if needed. Right now, the counties numbers indicate that the Balston Corridor will see the most growth and have the largest seat deficit. However, just last year the County believed the largest seat deficit would be in northwestern part of the County (even with the new schools and additions). I do not have a lot of faith in the projections at that level of granularity.

[Anonymous]

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Which long branch zones would be sent to the new school at jefferson? My kids aren't in school yet, but we are in ashton heights, down the street from long branch and across 50 from jefferson. I hear awesome things about Patrick Henry, and it would be great for the kids to go to school in a new building, but am I supposed to walk my kindergartner across a 6 lane highway with a toddler and baby in tow to get to elementary school? Even with the pedestrian bridge that sounds awful.

If your biggest problem is that, for a couple of years, you are going to have to walk your kids over a pedestrian bridge, count your blessings.

Arlington is in a tough situation. You need to figure out what you can live with, not what's ideal.