Terrorist attack going on in Paris right now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are kidding, right? No shame here.
Parisian values are a proxy for our values--the attack on them is an attack on us. They were just easier to get to. It is not a matter of more or less sympathy. People are reacting to the fact that WE have been attacked, and there is no end in sight. Your nutty question is like asking Americans after Pearl Harbor why they hadn't been equally shaken by god knows, the massacre of Nanking. It was horrific, but not an attack on the US. It is not revulsion / sympathy we feel. It is revulsion, sympathy, fear, outrage AND a call to action..

Ah I see - parisian values - are these the same values that republicans were just shitting on last week when potus candidates were making fun of the french work week?

The same values that have made france the butt of jokes on the right, here for the last 15+ years on all sorts of policy and cultural dimensions?

No your analogy is terrible - that's like saying americans were shaken up when Paris fell to the germans in 1940. A lot of americans weren't. Pearl harbor's analogy is 9/11.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are kidding, right? No shame here.
Parisian values are a proxy for our values--the attack on them is an attack on us. They were just easier to get to. It is not a matter of more or less sympathy. People are reacting to the fact that WE have been attacked, and there is no end in sight. Your nutty question is like asking Americans after Pearl Harbor why they hadn't been equally shaken by god knows, the massacre of Nanking. It was horrific, but not an attack on the US. It is not revulsion / sympathy we feel. It is revulsion, sympathy, fear, outrage AND a call to action..

So people in Paris = us, and people in Beirut, Mumbai, etc. = not us?

But the people who died were equally human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to live in India back when Mumbai was called Bombay. I was 1 million percent horrified and distraught. Contextually--that was part of the age old India/Pakistan conflict and for years I have prayed/hoped/and idealized that Pakistan gets its house in order and becomes the country it had to the potential to be after partition, rather than run by creepy ISI agents in collaboration with the Taliban . I have also prayed that India and Pakistan find some accord in the Kashmir and other conflict zones, for the sake of the people living there.
Paris was an attack on the West - my house. Ashamed for feeling this more? HELL NO.
Thanks for asking.

That's the right's response to why they want a change in drug policy now -

white kids dying on drugs is an attack on my people therefore i'm not ashamed for feeling this more.

It's ok, embrace your double standard - just like 90% of thread posters here have.

Just remember then not to chuckle the next time someone makes fun of the gallic work week or high speed rail investment or nationalized health care.

because you know - french values are our values.

[Anonymous]

Wow. get a sense of humor. "Parisian work week' is shitting on French values like egalite, fraternite, liberte? Don't think so. Maybe a little to "micro aggressive" for your taste? Some of us would call it a 'light moment' aka a joke.

[Anonymous]

I used to live in India back when Mumbai was called Bombay. I was 1 million percent horrified and distraught. Contextually--that was part of the age old India/Pakistan conflict and for years I have prayed/hoped/and idealized that Pakistan gets its house in order and becomes the country it had to the potential to be after partition, rather than run by creepy ISI agents in collaboration with the Taliban . I have also prayed that India and Pakistan find some accord in the Kashmir and other conflict zones, for the sake of the people living there.
Paris was an attack on the West - my house. Ashamed for feeling this more? HELL NO.
Thanks for asking.

Oh btw france/ME conflict stretches back further than INdia/Pak. Nice try, trying to spin it off as a difference in how long issues have 'festered'.

[Anonymous]

There have been plenty of threads on terrorist attacks and mass shootings. I think we are always horrified when it happens. I don't really understand what you are whining about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. get a sense of humor. "Parisian work week' is shitting on French values like egalite, fraternite, liberte? Don't think so. Maybe a little to "micro aggressive" for your taste? Some of us would call it a 'light moment' aka a joke.

It's you who is trying to selectively choose what are french values and what are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are kidding, right? No shame here.
Parisian values are a proxy for our values--the attack on them is an attack on us. They were just easier to get to. It is not a matter of more or less sympathy. People are reacting to the fact that WE have been attacked, and there is no end in sight. Your nutty question is like asking Americans after Pearl Harbor why they hadn't been equally shaken by god knows, the massacre of Nanking. It was horrific, but not an attack on the US. It is not revulsion / sympathy we feel. It is revulsion, sympathy, fear, outrage AND a call to action..

So people in Paris = us, and people in Beirut, Mumbai, etc. = not us?

But the people who died were equally human.

Newton = us

Black on black gun violence = not us

Plight of the middle class = us

Plight of welfare queens (because they're all lazy frauds, right?) = not us

I don't believe what I just typed--but you might...or some other Americans might. It's human nature.

I think Paris struck a chord because citizens all across Europe and America are wondering who's next. It was easier to avoid thinking about it when it seemed contained to the Middle East. No one is saying that one innocent life matters more than another...all lives matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There have been plenty of threads on terrorist attacks and mass shootings. I think we are always horrified when it happens. I don't really understand what you are whining about.

I didn't even originally bring up the difference in response - other posters have. Just supporting their views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have been plenty of threads on terrorist attacks and mass shootings. I think we are always horrified when it happens. I don't really understand what you are whining about.

I didn't even originally bring up the difference in response - other posters have. Just supporting their views.

Please back this up with actual data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to live in India back when Mumbai was called Bombay. I was 1 million percent horrified and distraught. Contextually--that was part of the age old India/Pakistan conflict and for years I have prayed/hoped/and idealized that Pakistan gets its house in order and becomes the country it had to the potential to be after partition, rather than run by creepy ISI agents in collaboration with the Taliban . I have also prayed that India and Pakistan find some accord in the Kashmir and other conflict zones, for the sake of the people living there.
Paris was an attack on the West - my house. Ashamed for feeling this more? HELL NO.
Thanks for asking.

That's the right's response to why they want a change in drug policy now -

white kids dying on drugs is an attack on my people therefore i'm not ashamed for feeling this more.

It's ok, embrace your double standard - just like 90% of thread posters here have.

Just remember then not to chuckle the next time someone makes fun of the gallic work week or high speed rail investment or nationalized health care.

because you know - french values are our values.

I actually cried with the Mumbai attack, which I have not done with yesterday's. I just feel simmering disgust and sadness On an emotional level I connected much deeper with Mumbai. I stayed in that hotel as a kid. Can picture the lobby clearly in my mind. Can picture the carefree and happy spirit of it pre-attack. Could picture the attack clearly in my mind, step by bloody step. I love and will always love India. And it was a sick act no matter where you are. But rationally, the attack yesterday was fundamentally an attack on the West and I understand that we are under attack. If you do not get that it's OK. Those of us who do will protect you, as we always have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. get a sense of humor. "Parisian work week' is shitting on French values like egalite, fraternite, liberte? Don't think so. Maybe a little to "micro aggressive" for your taste? Some of us would call it a 'light moment' aka a joke.

It's you who is trying to selectively choose what are french values and what are not.

I would honestly hate to get stuck next to you at a dinner party humorless PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are kidding, right? No shame here.
Parisian values are a proxy for our values--the attack on them is an attack on us. They were just easier to get to. It is not a matter of more or less sympathy. People are reacting to the fact that WE have been attacked, and there is no end in sight. Your nutty question is like asking Americans after Pearl Harbor why they hadn't been equally shaken by god knows, the massacre of Nanking. It was horrific, but not an attack on the US. It is not revulsion / sympathy we feel. It is revulsion, sympathy, fear, outrage AND a call to action..

So people in Paris = us, and people in Beirut, Mumbai, etc. = not us?

But the people who died were equally human.

+1. I'm also stumped by pp's reasoning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I used to live in India back when Mumbai was called Bombay. I was 1 million percent horrified and distraught. Contextually--that was part of the age old India/Pakistan conflict and for years I have prayed/hoped/and idealized that Pakistan gets its house in order and becomes the country it had to the potential to be after partition, rather than run by creepy ISI agents in collaboration with the Taliban . I have also prayed that India and Pakistan find some accord in the Kashmir and other conflict zones, for the sake of the people living there.
Paris was an attack on the West - my house. Ashamed for feeling this more? HELL NO.
Thanks for asking.

That's the right's response to why they want a change in drug policy now -

white kids dying on drugs is an attack on my people therefore i'm not ashamed for feeling this more.

It's ok, embrace your double standard - just like 90% of thread posters here have.

Just remember then not to chuckle the next time someone makes fun of the gallic work week or high speed rail investment or nationalized health care.

because you know - french values are our values.

I actually cried with the Mumbai attack, which I have not done with yesterday's. I just feel simmering disgust and sadness On an emotional level I connected much deeper with Mumbai. I stayed in that hotel as a kid. Can picture the lobby clearly in my mind. Can picture the carefree and happy spirit of it pre-attack. Could picture the attack clearly in my mind, step by bloody step. I love and will always love India. And it was a sick act no matter where you are. But rationally, the attack yesterday was fundamentally an attack on the West and I understand that we are under attack. If you do not get that it's OK. Those of us who do will protect you, as we always have.

Pray tell, how are you going to protect us from what happened yesterday?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, act of war against NATO ally.

Boots on the ground time?

Yes. World War III.

Are you guys heading down to the recruiting station today?

Not the PP but my husband has been fighting these sorts of guys for a decade through countless hairraising deployments. Only regret is not prosecuting this effort in a fight it to win it fashion. We simply have to decide what we are doing here, and then do it. Fight or withdraw. Half gestures are a waste of everyone's time and dedication.

Oh, and you're welcome.

I will say thank you - and that you are 100% correct.