Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Does your child have a 17-year-old freshman?

What about those stories of elderly people who go back to high school and get degrees: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/video/79-year-back-school-high-school-diploma-103131274

Do you have a problem with that person?

Stop trying to legislate edge cases. In fact, stop wasting the school’s very finite attention with this. Schools have real problems to solve.

This.

Especially since you can just go to private kindergarten for one year for about $5k, and voila you just redshirted your kid. But it’s irritating to have to do that when my property tax money supports the very school that doesn’t want to accommodate the needs of my child.

Btw I voted to increase my own taxes for extra funding of our schools. After the pandemic, won’t ever do this again. Happy to support the charter school where my kid is going, they have been really supportive in anything I ask.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

So, my kid who is on the young side but fits the age criteria has to be a confidence-builder prop for your redshirted kid who is 13 months older. Eff that, go to private school if you want to play games like that.

Exactly. Absent a genuine developmental reason, redshirting disadvantages the kids who enroll when they are supposed to.

How are those kids disadvantaged? They know what they know, focus more on your kids knowledge instead of their rank in the class.

I’d rather my kid is average in a class of brilliant kids rather than the smartest in a class full of dummies.

The held back kids are also at a disadvantage as they are not with age appropriate expectations or academics.

The expectations and academics of the modern-day kindergarten classroom are not age appropriate. That's the issue.

Of course they are? My kid has sn and if anything it helped. Why did you not prepare your kids if you thought it would be too hard for them?

It's not that it's too hard, it's not developmentally appropriate. 5 year olds should still be painting, playing with play dough, yes, learning to read, but also playing blocks, dress up, etc.

My DCPS kindergarten did all of these things.

Great for you. All the ones I've been in don't. It's 98% seat work. It's abysmal.

false. But if you have so much disdain for DCPS don’t send your kid there.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Plenty of high school students work in part time jobs, I’m talking about settings a high school student does encounter outside the class. What do you do with volunteering and extracurriculars, bar seniors from attending club meetings because they are too old? You don’t need to be within 12 months of everyone for orchestra auditions or the robotics tournament. No friends older or younger than a year? It’s getting stupid real fast. Students take electives with a larger age gap all the time and the sky isn’t falling.

How about returning students or dual enrollment at community college, is it “fair” to take the chemistry class with the 25 year old who worked as a lab technician for a few years? It’s ok to take classes when the other students are better because of an “unfair” advantage, like taking Spanish or Chinese with native speakers, who will skew the “expectations” in the class.

All the antiredshirting fracas is just silly noise, made up by helicopter super competitive parents and is actually misplaced.focus on your kid instead of others.

People are aware the folks who made the redshirting issue a public issue are the ones who wanted the special exemption for their kids and when the new principal and DCPS said no started screaming into every tv camera that would point their direction, right? No one went on a crusade against it so much as once these entitled Lafayette parents started screaming about how unfair life is because they can't buy their way into something the rest of us went yeah no you're right you can't and shouldn't be able to.

Like this thread re-upped in part because Lafayette parents went yelling to other white UMC class PTOs for their support in wasting time and resources to debate this at the BOE hearings.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Does your child have a 17-year-old freshman?

What about those stories of elderly people who go back to high school and get degrees: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/video/79-year-back-school-high-school-diploma-103131274

Do you have a problem with that person?

Stop trying to legislate edge cases. In fact, stop wasting the school’s very finite attention with this. Schools have real problems to solve.

This.

Especially since you can just go to private kindergarten for one year for about $5k, and voila you just redshirted your kid. But it’s irritating to have to do that when my property tax money supports the very school that doesn’t want to accommodate the needs of my child.

Btw I voted to increase my own taxes for extra funding of our schools. After the pandemic, won’t ever do this again. Happy to support the charter school where my kid is going, they have been really supportive in anything I ask.

Please find me a private kindergarten for $5k/year.

My property taxes support a lot of stuff, including your kid's charter, that I don't like. I think charters are overall a terrible thing for a country's education system and create inequalities with little oversight. We're seeing folks try and use charters to set up free religious schools. But it's not a donation to my alma mater, I don't get to tick a box and say I don't want my taxes going to this program.

A school is a space to educate and help students grow. It really shouldn't accommodate everything parents wish for because sometimes we as parents are wrong and just being told I'll do whatever a parent asks isn't always in the best interest of the child.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Plenty of high school students work in part time jobs, I’m talking about settings a high school student does encounter outside the class. What do you do with volunteering and extracurriculars, bar seniors from attending club meetings because they are too old? You don’t need to be within 12 months of everyone for orchestra auditions or the robotics tournament. No friends older or younger than a year? It’s getting stupid real fast. Students take electives with a larger age gap all the time and the sky isn’t falling.

How about returning students or dual enrollment at community college, is it “fair” to take the chemistry class with the 25 year old who worked as a lab technician for a few years? It’s ok to take classes when the other students are better because of an “unfair” advantage, like taking Spanish or Chinese with native speakers, who will skew the “expectations” in the class.

All the antiredshirting fracas is just silly noise, made up by helicopter super competitive parents and is actually misplaced.focus on your kid instead of others.

People are aware the folks who made the redshirting issue a public issue are the ones who wanted the special exemption for their kids and when the new principal and DCPS said no started screaming into every tv camera that would point their direction, right? No one went on a crusade against it so much as once these entitled Lafayette parents started screaming about how unfair life is because they can't buy their way into something the rest of us went yeah no you're right you can't and shouldn't be able to.

Like this thread re-upped in part because Lafayette parents went yelling to other white UMC class PTOs for their support in wasting time and resources to debate this at the BOE hearings.

It’s their local school supported with their tax money and they are entitled to advocate for their children however they see fit. You can also do the same. Who is the school responsible to, if not to the parents in the community?

I am certain they’ll get their way in the end and I actually agree with it. If the parents have the energy to go to the media, that’s definitely going to be on the school board radar with an eye towards upcoming elections.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Does your child have a 17-year-old freshman?

What about those stories of elderly people who go back to high school and get degrees: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/video/79-year-back-school-high-school-diploma-103131274

Do you have a problem with that person?

Stop trying to legislate edge cases. In fact, stop wasting the school’s very finite attention with this. Schools have real problems to solve.

This.

Especially since you can just go to private kindergarten for one year for about $5k, and voila you just redshirted your kid. But it’s irritating to have to do that when my property tax money supports the very school that doesn’t want to accommodate the needs of my child.

Btw I voted to increase my own taxes for extra funding of our schools. After the pandemic, won’t ever do this again. Happy to support the charter school where my kid is going, they have been really supportive in anything I ask.

I’m not sure how one kid enrolling in a different class based on a few months makes a difference to your kids’ needs, but I’m pretty sure tax dollars are clearly linked.

That said, where we agree is that your kids’ school isn’t worthy of either of our tax dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

So, my kid who is on the young side but fits the age criteria has to be a confidence-builder prop for your redshirted kid who is 13 months older. Eff that, go to private school if you want to play games like that.

Exactly. Absent a genuine developmental reason, redshirting disadvantages the kids who enroll when they are supposed to.

How are those kids disadvantaged? They know what they know, focus more on your kids knowledge instead of their rank in the class.

I’d rather my kid is average in a class of brilliant kids rather than the smartest in a class full of dummies.

The held back kids are also at a disadvantage as they are not with age appropriate expectations or academics.

The expectations and academics of the modern-day kindergarten classroom are not age appropriate. That's the issue.

Of course they are? My kid has sn and if anything it helped. Why did you not prepare your kids if you thought it would be too hard for them?

It's not that it's too hard, it's not developmentally appropriate. 5 year olds should still be painting, playing with play dough, yes, learning to read, but also playing blocks, dress up, etc.

My DCPS kindergarten did all of these things.

Great for you. All the ones I've been in don't. It's 98% seat work. It's abysmal.

false. But if you have so much disdain for DCPS don’t send your kid there.

You're telling me my observations are false? No, they're not. How many DCPS schools have you been in?

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Does your child have a 17-year-old freshman?

What about those stories of elderly people who go back to high school and get degrees: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/video/79-year-back-school-high-school-diploma-103131274

Do you have a problem with that person?

Stop trying to legislate edge cases. In fact, stop wasting the school’s very finite attention with this. Schools have real problems to solve.

This.

Especially since you can just go to private kindergarten for one year for about $5k, and voila you just redshirted your kid. But it’s irritating to have to do that when my property tax money supports the very school that doesn’t want to accommodate the needs of my child.

Btw I voted to increase my own taxes for extra funding of our schools. After the pandemic, won’t ever do this again. Happy to support the charter school where my kid is going, they have been really supportive in anything I ask.

Please find me a private kindergarten for $5k/year.

My property taxes support a lot of stuff, including your kid's charter, that I don't like. I think charters are overall a terrible thing for a country's education system and create inequalities with little oversight. We're seeing folks try and use charters to set up free religious schools. But it's not a donation to my alma mater, I don't get to tick a box and say I don't want my taxes going to this program.

A school is a space to educate and help students grow. It really shouldn't accommodate everything parents wish for because sometimes we as parents are wrong and just being told I'll do whatever a parent asks isn't always in the best interest of the child.

Sure we can be wrong as parents so we should let all the decisions up to someone who barely knows your kid by name.

My beef with the public school was that they wouldn’t accelerate my kid in math even when it was clear he should have been a few grades above. At the charter it only took a meeting with the principal, they MAP tested my kid and placed him two grades above a week after school start.

I’m guessing parents that want to redshirt would receive the same treatment, and I suspect a couple of boys in my kids class were redshirted. Choice is great.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

So, my kid who is on the young side but fits the age criteria has to be a confidence-builder prop for your redshirted kid who is 13 months older. Eff that, go to private school if you want to play games like that.

Exactly. Absent a genuine developmental reason, redshirting disadvantages the kids who enroll when they are supposed to.

How are those kids disadvantaged? They know what they know, focus more on your kids knowledge instead of their rank in the class.

I’d rather my kid is average in a class of brilliant kids rather than the smartest in a class full of dummies.

The held back kids are also at a disadvantage as they are not with age appropriate expectations or academics.

The expectations and academics of the modern-day kindergarten classroom are not age appropriate. That's the issue.

Of course they are? My kid has sn and if anything it helped. Why did you not prepare your kids if you thought it would be too hard for them?

It's not that it's too hard, it's not developmentally appropriate. 5 year olds should still be painting, playing with play dough, yes, learning to read, but also playing blocks, dress up, etc.

My DCPS kindergarten did all of these things.

Great for you. All the ones I've been in don't. It's 98% seat work. It's abysmal.

false. But if you have so much disdain for DCPS don’t send your kid there.

You're telling me my observations are false? No, they're not. How many DCPS schools have you been in?

I sent my kid through DCPS Kindergarten.

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Anonymous wrote:And it sounds like one of the families moved into DC over a year ago and is trying to use that as an excuse. No explanation why they didn’t enroll in K this year.

They complain a lot that they didn’t learn that the school wouldn’t let them enroll in K next year until just months ago (so they didn’t have a chance to choose to enroll in K at the beginning of last year) — but did any of them check with the school that they could hold their kid back? It sounds like they all just unilaterally decided to redshirt and now are surprised pikachus.

Or you could just mind your own business and not worry about other people’s kids.

I don’t understand what the big deal is. Let them redshirt if they want to. Pages and pages of nothing burger.

So, my kid who is on the young side but fits the age criteria has to be a confidence-builder prop for your redshirted kid who is 13 months older. Eff that, go to private school if you want to play games like that.

Exactly. Absent a genuine developmental reason, redshirting disadvantages the kids who enroll when they are supposed to.

How are those kids disadvantaged? They know what they know, focus more on your kids knowledge instead of their rank in the class.

I’d rather my kid is average in a class of brilliant kids rather than the smartest in a class full of dummies.

The held back kids are also at a disadvantage as they are not with age appropriate expectations or academics.

The expectations and academics of the modern-day kindergarten classroom are not age appropriate. That's the issue.

Of course they are? My kid has sn and if anything it helped. Why did you not prepare your kids if you thought it would be too hard for them?

It's not that it's too hard, it's not developmentally appropriate. 5 year olds should still be painting, playing with play dough, yes, learning to read, but also playing blocks, dress up, etc.

My DCPS kindergarten did all of these things.

Great for you. All the ones I've been in don't. It's 98% seat work. It's abysmal.

false. But if you have so much disdain for DCPS don’t send your kid there.

You're telling me my observations are false? No, they're not. How many DCPS schools have you been in?

I sent my kid through DCPS Kindergarten.

Right so you've seen one single school? Ok. You don't know what you're talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Does your child have a 17-year-old freshman?

What about those stories of elderly people who go back to high school and get degrees: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/video/79-year-back-school-high-school-diploma-103131274

Do you have a problem with that person?

Stop trying to legislate edge cases. In fact, stop wasting the school’s very finite attention with this. Schools have real problems to solve.

This.

Especially since you can just go to private kindergarten for one year for about $5k, and voila you just redshirted your kid. But it’s irritating to have to do that when my property tax money supports the very school that doesn’t want to accommodate the needs of my child.

Btw I voted to increase my own taxes for extra funding of our schools. After the pandemic, won’t ever do this again. Happy to support the charter school where my kid is going, they have been really supportive in anything I ask.

Please find me a private kindergarten for $5k/year.

My property taxes support a lot of stuff, including your kid's charter, that I don't like. I think charters are overall a terrible thing for a country's education system and create inequalities with little oversight. We're seeing folks try and use charters to set up free religious schools. But it's not a donation to my alma mater, I don't get to tick a box and say I don't want my taxes going to this program.

A school is a space to educate and help students grow. It really shouldn't accommodate everything parents wish for because sometimes we as parents are wrong and just being told I'll do whatever a parent asks isn't always in the best interest of the child.

Sure we can be wrong as parents so we should let all the decisions up to someone who barely knows your kid by name.

My beef with the public school was that they wouldn’t accelerate my kid in math even when it was clear he should have been a few grades above. At the charter it only took a meeting with the principal, they MAP tested my kid and placed him two grades above a week after school start.

I’m guessing parents that want to redshirt would receive the same treatment, and I suspect a couple of boys in my kids class were redshirted. Choice is great.

My kid's DCPS accelerated him in math without us even requesting it. They came to us with a plan. Very unclear why you think your experience with exactly one DCPS and one charter school is particularly relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Plenty of high school students work in part time jobs, I’m talking about settings a high school student does encounter outside the class. What do you do with volunteering and extracurriculars, bar seniors from attending club meetings because they are too old? You don’t need to be within 12 months of everyone for orchestra auditions or the robotics tournament. No friends older or younger than a year? It’s getting stupid real fast. Students take electives with a larger age gap all the time and the sky isn’t falling.

How about returning students or dual enrollment at community college, is it “fair” to take the chemistry class with the 25 year old who worked as a lab technician for a few years? It’s ok to take classes when the other students are better because of an “unfair” advantage, like taking Spanish or Chinese with native speakers, who will skew the “expectations” in the class.

All the antiredshirting fracas is just silly noise, made up by helicopter super competitive parents and is actually misplaced.focus on your kid instead of others.

People are aware the folks who made the redshirting issue a public issue are the ones who wanted the special exemption for their kids and when the new principal and DCPS said no started screaming into every tv camera that would point their direction, right? No one went on a crusade against it so much as once these entitled Lafayette parents started screaming about how unfair life is because they can't buy their way into something the rest of us went yeah no you're right you can't and shouldn't be able to.

Like this thread re-upped in part because Lafayette parents went yelling to other white UMC class PTOs for their support in wasting time and resources to debate this at the BOE hearings.

It’s their local school supported with their tax money and they are entitled to advocate for their children however they see fit. You can also do the same. Who is the school responsible to, if not to the parents in the community?

I am certain they’ll get their way in the end and I actually agree with it. If the parents have the energy to go to the media, that’s definitely going to be on the school board radar with an eye towards upcoming elections.

It's all of our local tax dollars. Not just theirs. Your tax dollars aren't marked by your IB school zip code. And when they waste time so they can carve out a redshirt exemption for their kids they waste our tax dollars too.

The school and the system are responsible to the kids. Schools are not meant for parent they are there for the students.

Also the DCBOE is an entirely toothless body so no I don't think they're going to bend over backwards or care much for the exact same parents who four months ago were screaming at the principal about the playground.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Does your child have a 17-year-old freshman?

What about those stories of elderly people who go back to high school and get degrees: https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/video/79-year-back-school-high-school-diploma-103131274

Do you have a problem with that person?

Stop trying to legislate edge cases. In fact, stop wasting the school’s very finite attention with this. Schools have real problems to solve.

This.

Especially since you can just go to private kindergarten for one year for about $5k, and voila you just redshirted your kid. But it’s irritating to have to do that when my property tax money supports the very school that doesn’t want to accommodate the needs of my child.

Btw I voted to increase my own taxes for extra funding of our schools. After the pandemic, won’t ever do this again. Happy to support the charter school where my kid is going, they have been really supportive in anything I ask.

Please find me a private kindergarten for $5k/year.

My property taxes support a lot of stuff, including your kid's charter, that I don't like. I think charters are overall a terrible thing for a country's education system and create inequalities with little oversight. We're seeing folks try and use charters to set up free religious schools. But it's not a donation to my alma mater, I don't get to tick a box and say I don't want my taxes going to this program.

A school is a space to educate and help students grow. It really shouldn't accommodate everything parents wish for because sometimes we as parents are wrong and just being told I'll do whatever a parent asks isn't always in the best interest of the child.

Sure we can be wrong as parents so we should let all the decisions up to someone who barely knows your kid by name.

My beef with the public school was that they wouldn’t accelerate my kid in math even when it was clear he should have been a few grades above. At the charter it only took a meeting with the principal, they MAP tested my kid and placed him two grades above a week after school start.

I’m guessing parents that want to redshirt would receive the same treatment, and I suspect a couple of boys in my kids class were redshirted. Choice is great.

My kid's DCPS accelerated him in math without us even requesting it. They came to us with a plan. Very unclear why you think your experience with exactly one DCPS and one charter school is particularly relevant.

Same with us

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Plenty of high school students work in part time jobs, I’m talking about settings a high school student does encounter outside the class. What do you do with volunteering and extracurriculars, bar seniors from attending club meetings because they are too old? You don’t need to be within 12 months of everyone for orchestra auditions or the robotics tournament. No friends older or younger than a year? It’s getting stupid real fast. Students take electives with a larger age gap all the time and the sky isn’t falling.

How about returning students or dual enrollment at community college, is it “fair” to take the chemistry class with the 25 year old who worked as a lab technician for a few years? It’s ok to take classes when the other students are better because of an “unfair” advantage, like taking Spanish or Chinese with native speakers, who will skew the “expectations” in the class.

All the antiredshirting fracas is just silly noise, made up by helicopter super competitive parents and is actually misplaced.focus on your kid instead of others.

People are aware the folks who made the redshirting issue a public issue are the ones who wanted the special exemption for their kids and when the new principal and DCPS said no started screaming into every tv camera that would point their direction, right? No one went on a crusade against it so much as once these entitled Lafayette parents started screaming about how unfair life is because they can't buy their way into something the rest of us went yeah no you're right you can't and shouldn't be able to.

Like this thread re-upped in part because Lafayette parents went yelling to other white UMC class PTOs for their support in wasting time and resources to debate this at the BOE hearings.

It’s their local school supported with their tax money and they are entitled to advocate for their children however they see fit. You can also do the same. Who is the school responsible to, if not to the parents in the community?

I am certain they’ll get their way in the end and I actually agree with it. If the parents have the energy to go to the media, that’s definitely going to be on the school board radar with an eye towards upcoming elections.

It's all of our local tax dollars. Not just theirs. Your tax dollars aren't marked by your IB school zip code. And when they waste time so they can carve out a redshirt exemption for their kids they waste our tax dollars too.

The school and the system are responsible to the kids. Schools are not meant for parent they are there for the students.

Also the DCBOE is an entirely toothless body so no I don't think they're going to bend over backwards or care much for the exact same parents who four months ago were screaming at the principal about the playground.

If they aren’t servicing the IB kids, then the school shouldn’t exist. If every IB kid is going private, then the school should just close.

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Anonymous wrote:Redshirting was fine and nobody batted an eyelash until DEI came and said it inequitable and classist. As DEI wave is passing, in a year everyone will move on to something else and things will be back to redshirting being fine.

I am willing to bet that the Lafayette parents will get their way in the end.

This is simply not true but keep blaming every thing you don't like on minorities. I'm sure it'll go great for you.

Not PP. I didn’t think PP was blaming it on minorities. I think PP was blaming it on equity.

I am a UMC white mom. I don’t think folks should be able to redshirt at will. It has nothing to do with equity and everything to do with needing to have a firm rule to create cohesive classes. Redshirting — or, more likely, retaining -/— with the support of the school for kid-specific developmental reasons? 100% fine. DC is a town of crazies and no age policy would mean 20 months’ spread of kids in each class. That’s not actually good for anyone.

What is a cohesive class? People of all ages mix in the workplace and in college. Somehow that’s a no-no for high school, and kids need to be within a narrow 12 moth age of each other otherwise bad things will happen. Not buying it. My kids friends are two-three years older and younger, tall and short, not really an issue at all.

Parents know best if they want to redshirt or not, some kids need a little more time to get there. The really strict redshirting rules are stupid, how are they going to know what’s right for your child? I mean, if a parent is determined there’s not much the school district can do. You can do kindergarten and first grade in private, homeschooling for a year, retain and retake kindergarten for two years in public etc., or just push hard against the silly rules. If I thought it helped my child I’d do it.

The workplace is not a good argument in this case. There are maturity gaps here that do not exist in the same way when a 25 year old has to work with a 32 year old. But in HS there is a huge maturity gap between a 14 year old and a 17 year old. It is obvious and can create issues.

Plenty of high school students work in part time jobs, I’m talking about settings a high school student does encounter outside the class. What do you do with volunteering and extracurriculars, bar seniors from attending club meetings because they are too old? You don’t need to be within 12 months of everyone for orchestra auditions or the robotics tournament. No friends older or younger than a year? It’s getting stupid real fast. Students take electives with a larger age gap all the time and the sky isn’t falling.

How about returning students or dual enrollment at community college, is it “fair” to take the chemistry class with the 25 year old who worked as a lab technician for a few years? It’s ok to take classes when the other students are better because of an “unfair” advantage, like taking Spanish or Chinese with native speakers, who will skew the “expectations” in the class.

All the antiredshirting fracas is just silly noise, made up by helicopter super competitive parents and is actually misplaced.focus on your kid instead of others.

People are aware the folks who made the redshirting issue a public issue are the ones who wanted the special exemption for their kids and when the new principal and DCPS said no started screaming into every tv camera that would point their direction, right? No one went on a crusade against it so much as once these entitled Lafayette parents started screaming about how unfair life is because they can't buy their way into something the rest of us went yeah no you're right you can't and shouldn't be able to.

Like this thread re-upped in part because Lafayette parents went yelling to other white UMC class PTOs for their support in wasting time and resources to debate this at the BOE hearings.

It’s their local school supported with their tax money and they are entitled to advocate for their children however they see fit. You can also do the same. Who is the school responsible to, if not to the parents in the community?

I am certain they’ll get their way in the end and I actually agree with it. If the parents have the energy to go to the media, that’s definitely going to be on the school board radar with an eye towards upcoming elections.

It's all of our local tax dollars. Not just theirs. Your tax dollars aren't marked by your IB school zip code. And when they waste time so they can carve out a redshirt exemption for their kids they waste our tax dollars too.

The school and the system are responsible to the kids. Schools are not meant for parent they are there for the students.

Also the DCBOE is an entirely toothless body so no I don't think they're going to bend over backwards or care much for the exact same parents who four months ago were screaming at the principal about the playground.

When your taxes are funding the public school, it’s poor form to argue to go to private if you don’t like how the public school is run.

I had a good chuckle when you said the public schools are responsible to the kids, as if the principle and the school board ever reported to the “kids”. Ultimately they report to the voters, or the voters that care most about education, also known as parents. It would be great if my tax dollars were marked with my kids name in the form of a voucher to take wherever I please. Then I have more power to decide the curriculum, the quality of teachers, and even when my kid starts kindergarten.