Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

[Anonymous]

The answer: Public education driven by accountability measures is toxic for all stakeholders. Most parents are trying to address the fallout from that toxic environment while working jobs with less built-in time off than teachers have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

DP but my answer would be Option 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

Most of the time, the trainings weren't useful. I went to a few that were useful but dragged on a lot longer than was necessary. The training for the phonics program was very useful and I thought it could've been extended to provide more practice. But many of the trainings were created by people who need to show that they are doing their job. That's it. I didn't actually need a deescalation training that lasted an entire day. It could've been an email and a few videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

Most of the time, the trainings weren't useful. I went to a few that were useful but dragged on a lot longer than was necessary. The training for the phonics program was very useful and I thought it could've been extended to provide more practice. But many of the trainings were created by people who need to show that they are doing their job. That's it. I didn't actually need a deescalation training that lasted an entire day. It could've been an email and a few videos.

I wonder if the low pay for teachers incentivizes teachers to become administrators who then need to justify their jobs. Increase the pay to the best teachers, decrease to the worst administrators

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

Most of the time, the trainings weren't useful. I went to a few that were useful but dragged on a lot longer than was necessary. The training for the phonics program was very useful and I thought it could've been extended to provide more practice. But many of the trainings were created by people who need to show that they are doing their job. That's it. I didn't actually need a deescalation training that lasted an entire day. It could've been an email and a few videos.

I wonder if the low pay for teachers incentivizes teachers to become administrators who then need to justify their jobs. Increase the pay to the best teachers, decrease to the worst administrators

I think the unions prevent good teachers being paid more than bad teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

DP but my answer would be Option 1.

I don't think "no training for teachers" is an acceptable position to take. Every profession has training requirements. HOWEVER, the trainings should be meaningful and useful. I am not in a position to say what qualifies as that but it sounds as if many are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

DP (not the one you are responding to). Teachers already return to school a week before students do. I think that training that can be scheduled, should be scheduled then. Or on one of the professional days that are scattered through the year. My school district has professional days on the Jewish and Muslim holidays. Students are off, but teachers are scheduled to work. Those who want to take off those holidays, can take vacation leave on those days for their holiday without having to schedule a sub for the students. You can schedule training on those days. Make a training date on one day and the make-up date on a different date that is a different religion's holiday. That way everyone can make at least one of the two dates.

Companies and corporations do this type of thing all the time. Employees have training and they schedule training multiple days so that everyone can make at least one of them even if they have work commitments that prevent them from attending a given date. Schools should be able to work this out just like companies who have employees who travel or employees who have mandatory commitments that they are responsible for. The administrators and school district just have to be better organized at planning to handle these things.

Training is a professional commitment to the school district. But the school district needs to find a way to schedule all of the professional commitments for the teachers, including training, mandatory documentation, school system commitments, etc in such a way that the teacher scheduled work is not impacted. And they need to find a way to give more appropriate planning and grading time back to the teachers. It is unconscionable that administrators are filling up planning and grading time with non-teaching administrative tasks and then expecting teachers to make up the grading and planning time on their own time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

So you are just jealous of a teacher’s schedule and therefore anything else a teacher has to say about their jobs is irrelevant because you are unable to cope with your jealousy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

My school district has mostly moved to having (paid) evening meetings for training, instead of in person requiring teachers to get a substitute. They only moved to this due to lack of subs, I believe. I prefer the evening meetings to leaving the classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

Most of the time, the trainings weren't useful. I went to a few that were useful but dragged on a lot longer than was necessary. The training for the phonics program was very useful and I thought it could've been extended to provide more practice. But many of the trainings were created by people who need to show that they are doing their job. That's it. I didn't actually need a deescalation training that lasted an entire day. It could've been an email and a few videos.

I wonder if the low pay for teachers incentivizes teachers to become administrators who then need to justify their jobs. Increase the pay to the best teachers, decrease to the worst administrators

I think the unions prevent good teachers being paid more than bad teachers.

Just increase pay to all teachers, and weed out the bad teachers during the application period and the probationary period. With a competitive, professional wage and benefits, you will have numerous applicants for teaching positions -- after all, "they get summers off!!" so that's a huge enticement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well they should have to all be ESOL, behavior problem, teach across 5 wide levels homeroom teaching. Send kids home if they’re badly behaved, illiterate, etc. they should go to different type of schools.

And stop changing the curricula every five years. It’s gone from dumb to dumber on that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

Most of the time, the trainings weren't useful. I went to a few that were useful but dragged on a lot longer than was necessary. The training for the phonics program was very useful and I thought it could've been extended to provide more practice. But many of the trainings were created by people who need to show that they are doing their job. That's it. I didn't actually need a deescalation training that lasted an entire day. It could've been an email and a few videos.

I wonder if the low pay for teachers incentivizes teachers to become administrators who then need to justify their jobs. Increase the pay to the best teachers, decrease to the worst administrators

I think the unions prevent good teachers being paid more than bad teachers.

Just increase pay to all teachers, and weed out the bad teachers during the application period and the probationary period. With a competitive, professional wage and benefits, you will have numerous applicants for teaching positions -- after all, "they get summers off!!" so that's a huge enticement.

I’d leave computer programming to teach math or something and be better synced up with my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this video is an important reminder for parents and administrators

https://fb.watch/hcxdi1BUVj/?mibextid=0LFGlp

Well, teachers work maybe 180 days a year and the ones my kid's have are out sick 3-4 days/month so at best work 160 days / year. I think it's hard for those of us who work closer to 250 days per year to feel badly.

My first few years of teaching, I was sick a lot. Plus, I had to go to a zillion meetings and trainings. I’m sure the parents of my students were pissed that I was out so much but what can you do? I was sick because of my sick students. I had the flu (even though I had the flu shot), pink eye, hand, foot and mouth, stomach viruses, etc. It was awful. I’m in year 10 now and I rarely get sick but I still have ridiculous trainings all year.

I think I know your answer, but if you had the choice would you:

1) not have the tranings at all;
2) have the trainings before the school year or on days when students were off (getting paid extra if you have to work extra days)
3) Keep things the way they are.

From a parent point of view, the trainings just compound our concern when a teacher needs to miss time for other reasons. I can't believe more isn't said about how bad it is to keep pulling teachers out of the classroom.

My school district has mostly moved to having (paid) evening meetings for training, instead of in person requiring teachers to get a substitute. They only moved to this due to lack of subs, I believe. I prefer the evening meetings to leaving the classroom.

Trainings aren’t worth it for us. If it’s not directly linked to a new core curricula, discussing race or feelings while kids have a half day or full day off is asinine.