New Budget Recommendations -- eliminate AAP busing and centers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To summarize this 22 page-long thread:

I care if buses to centers were eliminated. Our base does not have a LLIV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life isn't "fair and equitable" people. Don't you know that by now??

Anyone up.for a challenge?

Pop quiz for you parents out there-- can you name 3 things that are fair and equitable?

The catch is that we all have to agree that what you list is fair and equitable.


I bet we can all easily list 10 things that aren't fair, #1 would be the FCPS AAP.

Can childhood cancer be a close second?

Moron.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Separate gifted education is evil. It goes against all that public education stands for - it is saying that my neighbor's child is so different from mine that they can't be educated in the same classroom together or even the same building.

ISIS is evil. AAP is, at most annoying. Dramatic & hysterical much?

Not the PP, but I agree with him/her. AAP is not only annoying, it's divisive and inequitable.

Many would disagree. My Gen Ed kid couldn't care less if some kids go to a different school for 4-6 years. It seems only a small vocal minority obsess over it.

My Gen Ed kid probably wouldn't care so much either if he attended a base school where AAP kids simply leave for centers. Unfortunately, his base school is a center, so he sees this division up close and personal, every single day. Not a lot of fun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life isn't "fair and equitable" people. Don't you know that by now??

Anyone up.for a challenge?

Pop quiz for you parents out there-- can you name 3 things that are fair and equitable?

The catch is that we all have to agree that what you list is fair and equitable.


I bet we can all easily list 10 things that aren't fair, #1 would be the FCPS AAP.

Can childhood cancer be a close second?

Moron.

Not the PP, but talk about moronic responses.

I would definitely agree that FCPS AAP is unfair and inequitable. This is a public school system. If you want special treatment for your child, there's always private school or homeschooling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Separate gifted education is evil. It goes against all that public education stands for - it is saying that my neighbor's child is so different from mine that they can't be educated in the same classroom together or even the same building.

ISIS is evil. AAP is, at most annoying. Dramatic & hysterical much?

Not the PP, but I agree with him/her. AAP is not only annoying, it's divisive and inequitable.

Many would disagree. My Gen Ed kid couldn't care less if some kids go to a different school for 4-6 years. It seems only a small vocal minority obsess over it.

My Gen Ed kid probably wouldn't care so much either if he attended a base school where AAP kids simply leave for centers. Unfortunately, his base school is a center, so he sees this division up close and personal, every single day. Not a lot of fun.

Sounds like AAP only centers are the answer for you. The proposal to eliminate AAP busing and centers wouldn't change that. It would only reduce the number of AAP kids to those assigned to that school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life isn't "fair and equitable" people. Don't you know that by now??

Anyone up.for a challenge?

Pop quiz for you parents out there-- can you name 3 things that are fair and equitable?

The catch is that we all have to agree that what you list is fair and equitable.


I bet we can all easily list 10 things that aren't fair, #1 would be the FCPS AAP.

Can childhood cancer be a close second?

Moron.

Not the PP, but talk about moronic responses.

I would definitely agree that FCPS AAP is unfair and inequitable. This is a public school system. If you want special treatment for your child, there's always private school or homeschooling.

You may want to sit down for this. I'm sorry to tell you that the problem goes much deeper than AAP. FCPS, a public school system, actually offers a wide range of special treatments to some kids but not others. Read all about it here, and despair! http://www.fcps.edu/dss/sei/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life isn't "fair and equitable" people. Don't you know that by now??

Anyone up.for a challenge?

Pop quiz for you parents out there-- can you name 3 things that are fair and equitable?

The catch is that we all have to agree that what you list is fair and equitable.


I bet we can all easily list 10 things that aren't fair, #1 would be the FCPS AAP.

Can childhood cancer be a close second?

Moron.

Not the PP, but talk about moronic responses.

I would definitely agree that FCPS AAP is unfair and inequitable. This is a public school system. If you want special treatment for your child, there's always private school or homeschooling.

You may want to sit down for this. I'm sorry to tell you that the problem goes much deeper than AAP. FCPS, a public school system, actually offers a wide range of special treatments to some kids but not others. Read all about it here, and despair! http://www.fcps.edu/dss/sei/

Thank you for linking to the Special Education page of FCPS. I'm happy to know that FCPS offers help to those with special needs and disabilities. Interestingly, AAP is not one of the programs listed. AAP is clearly not considered Special Education. I guess that puts to rest all of the specious claims on this forum that AAP should be implemented and treated as Special Education. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Life isn't "fair and equitable" people. Don't you know that by now??

Anyone up.for a challenge?

Pop quiz for you parents out there-- can you name 3 things that are fair and equitable?

The catch is that we all have to agree that what you list is fair and equitable.


I bet we can all easily list 10 things that aren't fair, #1 would be the FCPS AAP.

Can childhood cancer be a close second?

Moron.

Not the PP, but talk about moronic responses.

I would definitely agree that FCPS AAP is unfair and inequitable. This is a public school system. If you want special treatment for your child, there's always private school or homeschooling.

You may want to sit down for this. I'm sorry to tell you that the problem goes much deeper than AAP. FCPS, a public school system, actually offers a wide range of special treatments to some kids but not others. Read all about it here, and despair! http://www.fcps.edu/dss/sei/

Thank you for linking to the Special Education page of FCPS. I'm happy to know that FCPS offers help to those with special needs and disabilities. Interestingly, AAP is not one of the programs listed. AAP is clearly not considered Special Education. I guess that puts to rest all of the specious claims on this forum that AAP should be implemented and treated as Special Education. Have a nice day.

Good gracious, must we provide you a link to the AAP page as well? Dodge the point all you want, call it "special" or not, but there's no getting around that AAP, like other programs, is offered to some but not all. You can't cry about it being "unfair" unless you're going to cry about all such programs.

[Anonymous]

Other than the cost of transportation which is about $1 million, I just don't see why there is so much hate for AAP programs. Fairfax provides access to a higher level curriculum to many more students than surrounding counties with three different levels of gifted education plus AART teachers at just about every school. The actual time children receive gifted education is greatly increased for Fairfax students as well. To me these are all good things. Why would anyone want to reduce the access of higher level curriculum materials to students? It just makes no sense. It's also one of the most equitable testing methods in the nation with several intelligence and reading tests as part of the process, a teacher recommendation, parent referral allowed, appeals allowed, entrance allowed at 6 grade levels. To me the only issue with the AAP program is that it's a bit divisive. I think this can be worked out without dismantling the program and reducing services to students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Other than the cost of transportation which is about $1 million, I just don't see why there is so much hate for AAP programs. Fairfax provides access to a higher level curriculum to many more students than surrounding counties with three different levels of gifted education plus AART teachers at just about every school. The actual time children receive gifted education is greatly increased for Fairfax students as well. To me these are all good things. Why would anyone want to reduce the access of higher level curriculum materials to students? It just makes no sense. It's also one of the most equitable testing methods in the nation with several intelligence and reading tests as part of the process, a teacher recommendation, parent referral allowed, appeals allowed, entrance allowed at 6 grade levels. To me the only issue with the AAP program is that it's a bit divisive. I think this can be worked out without dismantling the program and reducing services to students.

After 23 pages, it seems to boil down to some parents just not being able to handle the fact that their kids aren't gifted in academics. Or more accurately, they believe their kids are gifted and FCPS does not. Honestly, reading many of these responses (AAP is more unfair than childhood cancer. AAP is the root of all evil), the biggest problem most parents seem to have is a big case of sour grapes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Other than the cost of transportation which is about $1 million.

Anyone know how much special ed transportation costs per year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than the cost of transportation which is about $1 million.

Anyone know how much special ed transportation costs per year?

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good.

There should not be bussing. Parents should be responsible for transportation just like they are for Immersion programs.

In fact, if you choose to send your child to a center, language immersion, or any school beside your assigned school you should pay a bus fee for busing your student(s). This would generate a little cash

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than the cost of transportation which is about $1 million, I just don't see why there is so much hate for AAP programs. Fairfax provides access to a higher level curriculum to many more students than surrounding counties with three different levels of gifted education plus AART teachers at just about every school. The actual time children receive gifted education is greatly increased for Fairfax students as well. To me these are all good things. Why would anyone want to reduce the access of higher level curriculum materials to students? It just makes no sense. It's also one of the most equitable testing methods in the nation with several intelligence and reading tests as part of the process, a teacher recommendation, parent referral allowed, appeals allowed, entrance allowed at 6 grade levels. To me the only issue with the AAP program is that it's a bit divisive. I think this can be worked out without dismantling the program and reducing services to students.

After 23 pages, it seems to boil down to some parents just not being able to handle the fact that their kids aren't gifted in academics. Or more accurately, they believe their kids are gifted and FCPS does not. Honestly, reading many of these responses (AAP is more unfair than childhood cancer. AAP is the root of all evil), the biggest problem most parents seem to have is a big case of sour grapes.

If it were only a "higher level curriculum" program then it might make more sense. Seems to me that it is more of a special education program for most students in the center programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Other than the cost of transportation which is about $1 million, I just don't see why there is so much hate for AAP programs. Fairfax provides access to a higher level curriculum to many more students than surrounding counties with three different levels of gifted education plus AART teachers at just about every school. The actual time children receive gifted education is greatly increased for Fairfax students as well. To me these are all good things. Why would anyone want to reduce the access of higher level curriculum materials to students? It just makes no sense. It's also one of the most equitable testing methods in the nation with several intelligence and reading tests as part of the process, a teacher recommendation, parent referral allowed, appeals allowed, entrance allowed at 6 grade levels. To me the only issue with the AAP program is that it's a bit divisive. I think this can be worked out without dismantling the program and reducing services to students.

After 23 pages, it seems to boil down to some parents just not being able to handle the fact that their kids aren't gifted in academics. Or more accurately, they believe their kids are gifted and FCPS does not. Honestly, reading many of these responses (AAP is more unfair than childhood cancer. AAP is the root of all evil), the biggest problem most parents seem to have is a big case of sour grapes.

If it were only a "higher level curriculum" program then it might make more sense. Seems to me that it is more of a special education program for most students in the center programs.

And that being said, there is a need for a special place for these special students. I prefer they keep the centers and keep these special students separate from my non AAP students. All you non-center parents be careful what you ask for. You really don't want these center students at your kids school. Do you? Go visit an AAP center at lunch time or on the play ground and if you get the chance a classroom. You'll want those centers when your visit is done. Just make 'em pay for the busing and generate $1mil revenue instead of costs.