2024 College Graduates, how’s the job market?

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Anonymous wrote:Live and work in finance in NYC and high school matters, but not always in the Choate kinda way. We have some many Xavier HS guys - wish is not a top private high school in nyc. It's not even the best all-boys jesuit high school in nyc. But it's got a huge presence in finance. Go figure.

Also, my kids roommate just had a job offer rescinded. These are cyber security majors at RPI. It was 150K job! but they seem to think they can get another one in a minute, as Beyonce might say.

+1…also the Chaminade network is fantastic for kids in nyc area and beyond

DS will graduate in next week from UVA, and had been looking for jobs since January without much lucks. Submitted over 1500 job applications with three interviews but no offers. He reached out to one of the parents of a regular friend from his days at Sidwell Friends. The friend's mother is a Fed SES and got him a Project Management (PM) contracting job with 95k/yr salary. DS's boss tole him that there are over 800 applications for that position and he would not have been hired without knowing the SES Fed. YMMV.

So she leveraged her Fed position to get the government contracting company to place your kid? Sounds highly unethical.

Happens all the time

It’s gross and unethical

it would be gross and unethical if you have leverage and not help someone to jump start their careers.

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Anonymous wrote:Live and work in finance in NYC and high school matters, but not always in the Choate kinda way. We have some many Xavier HS guys - wish is not a top private high school in nyc. It's not even the best all-boys jesuit high school in nyc. But it's got a huge presence in finance. Go figure.

Also, my kids roommate just had a job offer rescinded. These are cyber security majors at RPI. It was 150K job! but they seem to think they can get another one in a minute, as Beyonce might say.

+1…also the Chaminade network is fantastic for kids in nyc area and beyond

DS will graduate in next week from UVA, and had been looking for jobs since January without much lucks. Submitted over 1500 job applications with three interviews but no offers. He reached out to one of the parents of a regular friend from his days at Sidwell Friends. The friend's mother is a Fed SES and got him a Project Management (PM) contracting job with 95k/yr salary. DS's boss tole him that there are over 800 applications for that position and he would not have been hired without knowing the SES Fed. YMMV.

So she leveraged her Fed position to get the government contracting company to place your kid? Sounds highly unethical.

Happens all the time

It’s gross and unethical

it would be gross and unethical if you have leverage and not help someone to jump start their careers.

? dp.. no one would say not using nepotism is "gross and unethical". You have a weird moral compass.

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^^the entrenched, MSPB-cloaked unethical Fed is a definite thing

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Anonymous wrote:Live and work in finance in NYC and high school matters, but not always in the Choate kinda way. We have some many Xavier HS guys - wish is not a top private high school in nyc. It's not even the best all-boys jesuit high school in nyc. But it's got a huge presence in finance. Go figure.

Also, my kids roommate just had a job offer rescinded. These are cyber security majors at RPI. It was 150K job! but they seem to think they can get another one in a minute, as Beyonce might say.

+1…also the Chaminade network is fantastic for kids in nyc area and beyond

DS will graduate in next week from UVA, and had been looking for jobs since January without much lucks. Submitted over 1500 job applications with three interviews but no offers. He reached out to one of the parents of a regular friend from his days at Sidwell Friends. The friend's mother is a Fed SES and got him a Project Management (PM) contracting job with 95k/yr salary. DS's boss tole him that there are over 800 applications for that position and he would not have been hired without knowing the SES Fed. YMMV.

So she leveraged her Fed position to get the government contracting company to place your kid? Sounds highly unethical.

Happens all the time

It’s gross and unethical

it would be gross and unethical if you have leverage and not help someone to jump start their careers.

+1. I always try to
help students and the
children of friends and family. I write letters and call friends

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Live and work in finance in NYC and high school matters, but not always in the Choate kinda way. We have some many Xavier HS guys - wish is not a top private high school in nyc. It's not even the best all-boys jesuit high school in nyc. But it's got a huge presence in finance. Go figure.

Also, my kids roommate just had a job offer rescinded. These are cyber security majors at RPI. It was 150K job! but they seem to think they can get another one in a minute, as Beyonce might say.

+1…also the Chaminade network is fantastic for kids in nyc area and beyond

DS will graduate in next week from UVA, and had been looking for jobs since January without much lucks. Submitted over 1500 job applications with three interviews but no offers. He reached out to one of the parents of a regular friend from his days at Sidwell Friends. The friend's mother is a Fed SES and got him a Project Management (PM) contracting job with 95k/yr salary. DS's boss tole him that there are over 800 applications for that position and he would not have been hired without knowing the SES Fed. YMMV.

So she leveraged her Fed position to get the government contracting company to place your kid? Sounds highly unethical.

+1. also how does a fed afford Sidwell?

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Bump

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Sounds like big school grads did ok

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Anonymous wrote:Live and work in finance in NYC and high school matters, but not always in the Choate kinda way. We have some many Xavier HS guys - wish is not a top private high school in nyc. It's not even the best all-boys jesuit high school in nyc. But it's got a huge presence in finance. Go figure.

Also, my kids roommate just had a job offer rescinded. These are cyber security majors at RPI. It was 150K job! but they seem to think they can get another one in a minute, as Beyonce might say.

+1…also the Chaminade network is fantastic for kids in nyc area and beyond

DS will graduate in next week from UVA, and had been looking for jobs since January without much lucks. Submitted over 1500 job applications with three interviews but no offers. He reached out to one of the parents of a regular friend from his days at Sidwell Friends. The friend's mother is a Fed SES and got him a Project Management (PM) contracting job with 95k/yr salary. DS's boss tole him that there are over 800 applications for that position and he would not have been hired without knowing the SES Fed. YMMV.

So she leveraged her Fed position to get the government contracting company to place your kid? Sounds highly unethical.

+1. also how does a fed afford Sidwell?

She’s an SES. They make good money. Also you don’t know what the father does.

My parents were both Feds and sent me to a top NWDC private.

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Anonymous wrote:Live and work in finance in NYC and high school matters, but not always in the Choate kinda way. We have some many Xavier HS guys - wish is not a top private high school in nyc. It's not even the best all-boys jesuit high school in nyc. But it's got a huge presence in finance. Go figure.

Also, my kids roommate just had a job offer rescinded. These are cyber security majors at RPI. It was 150K job! but they seem to think they can get another one in a minute, as Beyonce might say.

+1…also the Chaminade network is fantastic for kids in nyc area and beyond

DS will graduate in next week from UVA, and had been looking for jobs since January without much lucks. Submitted over 1500 job applications with three interviews but no offers. He reached out to one of the parents of a regular friend from his days at Sidwell Friends. The friend's mother is a Fed SES and got him a Project Management (PM) contracting job with 95k/yr salary. DS's boss tole him that there are over 800 applications for that position and he would not have been hired without knowing the SES Fed. YMMV.

So she leveraged her Fed position to get the government contracting company to place your kid? Sounds highly unethical.

+1. also how does a fed afford Sidwell?

She’s an SES. They make good money. Also you don’t know what the father does.

My parents were both Feds and sent me to a top NWDC private.

Doesn’t change the fact that this kid now had a job that he is unqualified for against countless applicants more qualified. No does it change how that will negatively impact the team and projects he will not be working on.

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My Desc 2023 CS Major just got a job!

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Anonymous wrote:A plumber yesterday told me they charge $420 per hour. I was shocked inflation drove plumbing service to $420 per hour! Now how many college majors offer $420 per hour, even ten years post-graduation? And the icing on the cake is AI will not replace residential plumbing maintenance jobs!

Yep. And if you try to negotiate, they will look at you with a - I just F cleaned up your shit in the bathroom - look and say "don't disrespect the trade." Lesson: Send your kid to trade school?

Go ahead and send your kid then.

This easy glorification of "the trades" as this great solution--always rubs me wrong--I have many tradespeople in my family, grew up around them, respect them plenty. It can be a viable option for some people, but there are lot of downsides that you don't see if you only talk to the middle-aged person who has sustained it all and now runs a business. Sure there are success stories like there are in any profession, but most don't own a successful business--you're seeing the businesses that made it, not all the ones that failed. It's generally a hard life, you get physical injuries and just run down with time. A lot of the smart talented tradespeople I know, who worked in well-off areas, had businesses that never took off, or did okay for a time then were hit by changes in supply costs, labor costs, demand, competition, injuries/chronic ailments etc. There are a lot of famines of work and there's a natural cap on how much you can take advantage of the feast. These days with all the social media ratings etc. residential tradespeople are especially stressed because they have to manage reviews (and there are some unethical people who will use reviews/social media to blackmail tradespeople). As for going back to college after starting a trade (often to pick up the business skills needed), a lot of them find it very rough after not using their brains in that way for a several years even if they were once more academically inclined.

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Anonymous wrote:My Desc 2023 CS Major just got a job!

Congrats!

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Anonymous wrote:You guys realize that a $400 an hour charge doesn't equal $400 an hour, right? I mean, really: how many plumbers do you know who are rich? It's totally respectable, but don't kid yourselves.

It seems OK. I'm a college professor. My students are doing better than last year.

I’m a General Contractor.

Most of the plumbers I know that own their own firms are quite wealthy.

They grind hard but don’t kid yourself they own multi million dollar homes, private school for their kids, SAHMs.

We have done a real disservice to a lot of folks in this country - skilled trades, especially licensed mechanical trades can be rewarding and lucrative.

Trades also destroy your body within two decades. You gotta make a lot of $$ early and be able to save it for your later years. Or have the management skills to launch your own business and bring on younger people when your back and knees give out.

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Anonymous wrote:A plumber yesterday told me they charge $420 per hour. I was shocked inflation drove plumbing service to $420 per hour! Now how many college majors offer $420 per hour, even ten years post-graduation? And the icing on the cake is AI will not replace residential plumbing maintenance jobs!

Yep. And if you try to negotiate, they will look at you with a - I just F cleaned up your shit in the bathroom - look and say "don't disrespect the trade." Lesson: Send your kid to trade school?

Go ahead and send your kid then.

This easy glorification of "the trades" as this great solution--always rubs me wrong--I have many tradespeople in my family, grew up around them, respect them plenty. It can be a viable option for some people, but there are lot of downsides that you don't see if you only talk to the middle-aged person who has sustained it all and now runs a business. Sure there are success stories like there are in any profession, but most don't own a successful business--you're seeing the businesses that made it, not all the ones that failed. It's generally a hard life, you get physical injuries and just run down with time. A lot of the smart talented tradespeople I know, who worked in well-off areas, had businesses that never took off, or did okay for a time then were hit by changes in supply costs, labor costs, demand, competition, injuries/chronic ailments etc. There are a lot of famines of work and there's a natural cap on how much you can take advantage of the feast. These days with all the social media ratings etc. residential tradespeople are especially stressed because they have to manage reviews (and there are some unethical people who will use reviews/social media to blackmail tradespeople). As for going back to college after starting a trade (often to pick up the business skills needed), a lot of them find it very rough after not using their brains in that way for a several years even if they were once more academically inclined.

I think there is also too much emphasis on residential trades people, while there are many welders, electricians, etc working for large companies and working 9-5 (+ overtime) jobs.

Going the small business route may be very lucrative for a very small percentage…but it’s not great for most.

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Anonymous wrote:Especially CS major? DC wants to do cs, but we heard some bad news from friends’ kids. Don’t know pervasive?

T10, CS and all majors getting hired no problem.

Friend's kid at VT struggling and says job market prospects down for their senior friends in tech. The other kid from Longwood has been looking for 2 yrs , some sort of programming major

That's not the case, I have a T10 kid and his CS friends whose parents are not connected are struggling as well. Luckily he is not a CS major!