Is Shakespeare not taught in DCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

Hahahahahahah.

So your kids can read "Art of the Deal" in the school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

Hahahahahahah.

So your kids can read "Art of the Deal" in the school?

Your response is so tragic, how do you not understand it?

No, I said it earlier, I want kids to read Shakespeare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My favorite class in HS was a world literature. We read Siddhartha by Hesse and The Stranger by Camus. Can’t remember all the books but those two I loved. School should foster a live of reading and intellectual curiosity. Shakespeare didn’t do it for me. I still was forced to read him but I’m not sure he’s all that.

Because you didn't love Shakespeare, it shouldn't be offered?

No, I think one play should be read and a discussion of his work. We read 4, which is crazy. But I don’t believe that DCPS doesn’t read Shakespeare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

Hahahahahahah.

So your kids can read "Art of the Deal" in the school?

Your response is so tragic, how do you not understand it?

No, I said it earlier, I want kids to read Shakespeare.

Is someone stopped your kids from reading Shakespeare? Is the person who is saying that at your school? Can others see them?

Please vote Republican in DC. Will keep proving how you know so little about how everything operates in our school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You need to use again your critical thinking tin foil cap. If in the English literature class you add six non literary garbage works like Kendi's, then you need to take out six works like Shakespeare or Beowulf, right? Unless of course you arguing that Kendi's place is in the canon, lol.

Holy moly, how can someone be so clueless and completely ignorant of it? You are amazing!

I think you are arguing against yourself.

The question they or you were answering is what are YOU reading as an adult? The question implies that forcing dwm authors exclusively makes kids hate reading. A child who reads dwm as part of the cannon might not grow up to be an adult who loves to read. And continuing the same standard might not get you what you want.

So you or someone posted a bunch of books about the black experience to prove they “get it”. They didn’t even say this should replace Shakespeare.

I say you should add a lot more books and keep the cannon. But then whiny moms like you will complain their kids have eye strain or something.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Struck a nerve eh…
I haven’t said anything about your husband or about your kids, except they won’t die from less Shakespeare. I have never said anything disparaging about children, I know that this is anonymous but I do not make fun of people’s kids.
I also didn’t use that word lol, that was another person.

Sigh, I know forums weren’t around when you were growing up but I think you should still be able to see a pattern in the way others write or at least double check it was them who said it. It’s ok though, I forgive you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahahahahaha. Of course this is your list!!!! That’s why I dared you to write it down!

That’s it, next election I’m voting Republican. I’ve had enough of this nonsense.

Hahahahahahah.

So your kids can read "Art of the Deal" in the school?

Your response is so tragic, how do you not understand it?

No, I said it earlier, I want kids to read Shakespeare.

Is someone stopped your kids from reading Shakespeare? Is the person who is saying that at your school? Can others see them?

Please vote Republican in DC. Will keep proving how you know so little about how everything operates in our school district.

The Democrats have successfully replaced the Republicans as the party of anti intellectualism, I would have never imagined that 5 years ago. I’ll vote Democrat again when they get their shyt together. I’m actually doing them a favor to let them know they took the wrong turn into illiberalism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Fine. Here is my reading list:

How to Be an Anti-Racist by: Ibram X. Kendi

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by: Robin Diangelo

So You Want to Talk About Race by: Ijeoma Olou

Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by: Ibram X. Kendi

Being White, Being Good: White Complicity, White Moral Responsibility, and Social Justice Pedagogy by: Barbara Applebaum

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by: Reni Eddo-Lodge

So while I 100% know white privilege and white supremacy is real, I think that these books in particular are better save for a sociology class. I do think it is important for kids to understand their actions have consequences, like white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit is wrong. Things like blackfishing or saying you are a trans racial Korean when you are White is wrong. Those things to need to be learned by not in a lit class.

Here’s my basic idea for some to add, FYI this is from the ‘23 year old’ lol not sure who guessed my age but I am actually 22.

The Tale of Genji
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
Plum Bun by Jessie Redmon Fauset
The Color Purple by Alice Walker

Bonus - Cyrano de Bergerac and yes the author is white, I never have advocated for ‘no white people.’ Let’s just add a few others…and some modern things too.

And I’ll say it again, Shakespeare should be read just not ONLY his works.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Fine. Here is my reading list:

How to Be an Anti-Racist by: Ibram X. Kendi

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by: Robin Diangelo

So You Want to Talk About Race by: Ijeoma Olou

Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by: Ibram X. Kendi

Being White, Being Good: White Complicity, White Moral Responsibility, and Social Justice Pedagogy by: Barbara Applebaum

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by: Reni Eddo-Lodge

So while I 100% know white privilege and white supremacy is real, I think that these books in particular are better save for a sociology class. I do think it is important for kids to understand their actions have consequences, like white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit is wrong. Things like blackfishing or saying you are a trans racial Korean when you are White is wrong. Those things to need to be learned by not in a lit class.

Here’s my basic idea for some to add, FYI this is from the ‘23 year old’ lol not sure who guessed my age but I am actually 22.

The Tale of Genji
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
Plum Bun by Jessie Redmon Fauset
The Color Purple by Alice Walker

Bonus - Cyrano de Bergerac and yes the author is white, I never have advocated for ‘no white people.’ Let’s just add a few others…and some modern things too.

And I’ll say it again, Shakespeare should be read just not ONLY his works.

Interesting list. I did not like Haruki Maurakami’s work but I can see why it’s on the list.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Fine. Here is my reading list:

How to Be an Anti-Racist by: Ibram X. Kendi

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by: Robin Diangelo

So You Want to Talk About Race by: Ijeoma Olou

Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by: Ibram X. Kendi

Being White, Being Good: White Complicity, White Moral Responsibility, and Social Justice Pedagogy by: Barbara Applebaum

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by: Reni Eddo-Lodge

So while I 100% know white privilege and white supremacy is real, I think that these books in particular are better save for a sociology class. I do think it is important for kids to understand their actions have consequences, like white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit is wrong. Things like blackfishing or saying you are a trans racial Korean when you are White is wrong. Those things to need to be learned by not in a lit class.

Here’s my basic idea for some to add, FYI this is from the ‘23 year old’ lol not sure who guessed my age but I am actually 22.

The Tale of Genji
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
Plum Bun by Jessie Redmon Fauset
The Color Purple by Alice Walker

Bonus - Cyrano de Bergerac and yes the author is white, I never have advocated for ‘no white people.’ Let’s just add a few others…and some modern things too.

And I’ll say it again, Shakespeare should be read just not ONLY his works.

Interesting list. I did not like Haruki Maurakami’s work but I can see why it’s on the list.

Sigh. No one is saying only read Shakespeare.

The level of stupidity of the person who is voting Republican because some DCUM people want to supplement Shakespeare with other authors is truly pstaggering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You need to use again your critical thinking tin foil cap. If in the English literature class you add six non literary garbage works like Kendi's, then you need to take out six works like Shakespeare or Beowulf, right? Unless of course you arguing that Kendi's place is in the canon, lol.

Holy moly, how can someone be so clueless and completely ignorant of it? You are amazing!

I think you are arguing against yourself.

The question they or you were answering is what are YOU reading as an adult? The question implies that forcing dwm authors exclusively makes kids hate reading. A child who reads dwm as part of the cannon might not grow up to be an adult who loves to read. And continuing the same standard might not get you what you want.

So you or someone posted a bunch of books about the black experience to prove they “get it”. They didn’t even say this should replace Shakespeare.

I say you should add a lot more books and keep the cannon. But then whiny moms like you will complain their kids have eye strain or something.

still with the "cannon" lady? I really think you should stop talking.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Fine. Here is my reading list:

How to Be an Anti-Racist by: Ibram X. Kendi

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by: Robin Diangelo

So You Want to Talk About Race by: Ijeoma Olou

Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by: Ibram X. Kendi

Being White, Being Good: White Complicity, White Moral Responsibility, and Social Justice Pedagogy by: Barbara Applebaum

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by: Reni Eddo-Lodge

So while I 100% know white privilege and white supremacy is real, I think that these books in particular are better save for a sociology class. I do think it is important for kids to understand their actions have consequences, like white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit is wrong. Things like blackfishing or saying you are a trans racial Korean when you are White is wrong. Those things to need to be learned by not in a lit class.

Here’s my basic idea for some to add, FYI this is from the ‘23 year old’ lol not sure who guessed my age but I am actually 22.

The Tale of Genji
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
Plum Bun by Jessie Redmon Fauset
The Color Purple by Alice Walker

Bonus - Cyrano de Bergerac and yes the author is white, I never have advocated for ‘no white people.’ Let’s just add a few others…and some modern things too.

And I’ll say it again, Shakespeare should be read just not ONLY his works.

Interesting list. I did not like Haruki Maurakami’s work but I can see why it’s on the list.

Sigh. No one is saying only read Shakespeare.

The level of stupidity of the person who is voting Republican because some DCUM people want to supplement Shakespeare with other authors is truly pstaggering.

It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Fine. Here is my reading list:

How to Be an Anti-Racist by: Ibram X. Kendi

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by: Robin Diangelo

So You Want to Talk About Race by: Ijeoma Olou

Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by: Ibram X. Kendi

Being White, Being Good: White Complicity, White Moral Responsibility, and Social Justice Pedagogy by: Barbara Applebaum

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by: Reni Eddo-Lodge

So while I 100% know white privilege and white supremacy is real, I think that these books in particular are better save for a sociology class. I do think it is important for kids to understand their actions have consequences, like white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit is wrong. Things like blackfishing or saying you are a trans racial Korean when you are White is wrong. Those things to need to be learned by not in a lit class.

Here’s my basic idea for some to add, FYI this is from the ‘23 year old’ lol not sure who guessed my age but I am actually 22.

The Tale of Genji
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
Plum Bun by Jessie Redmon Fauset
The Color Purple by Alice Walker

Bonus - Cyrano de Bergerac and yes the author is white, I never have advocated for ‘no white people.’ Let’s just add a few others…and some modern things too.

And I’ll say it again, Shakespeare should be read just not ONLY his works.

Interesting list. I did not like Haruki Maurakami’s work but I can see why it’s on the list.

Sigh. No one is saying only read Shakespeare.

The level of stupidity of the person who is voting Republican because some DCUM people want to supplement Shakespeare with other authors is truly pstaggering.

It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

It's all pointing to an incredibly narrow view of he goal of education. But at least for me, it's opening my eyes to what DCPS middle and high schoolers are (not) learning in their curriculum. The idea that English literature should focus only on the legacy of US racism is terrifying.

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Anonymous wrote:You are thinking from the perspective of an older person or mom. I highly doubt if you are on this forum you have access to high society, where absolutely knowing Shakespeare’s work is a must, along with other works of literature, art, etc.

I hope you can see times are changing, Shakespeare will surely continued to be read but will no longer be the staple. And yes, we do need to read other works from Asian, black, hispanic, etc authors.

Foundational English lit? The United States does not even have an official language, so the idea of ‘English lit’ is just becoming ‘literature.’

This literally makes no sense.

I’m sorry you don’t get that we can expand literature to include a more diverse set of authors, and that a little less Shakespeare won’t ruin your child’s life.

Oh the horror of having an opinion as a mom, or gasp! while being older. Oh, wise 23 year old with a newly minted college degree, I beg you, share your wisdom with the plebeians.

Your post is a perfect example of why we need rigorous instruction in English composition and literature.
Your expression is a rambling of confuse ideas, a mishmash of incoherent borrowed snippets, poor vocabulary choice, and an appalling lack of critical thinking.
You clearly don’t grasp that staple denotes consumption of a commodity or you wouldn’t use it to describe Shakespeare’s works. You don’t seem to know the meaning of foundational, fyi according to the dictionary definition it means ‘denoting an underlying basis or principle; fundamental’. You don’t have critical thinking skills, otherwise you’d realize that English literature must have a foundation, it didn’t just came into existence while you were in high school. The works written as the language was developing are the foundation of English literature.

Regarding people still reading, none of your business what they chose to do with their time, if they read for pleasure or not. On thing I can assure you of, most decent jobs today require good reading and writing skills, and sharp critical thinking, and that’s across all careers and industries. We want our children to develop those skills to be successful in life.

This is a mommy forum, please tell me why I should put in effort into my posts here?

I have stated my stance in multiple different ways and others have shared similar responses. Rather than a lack of ‘critical thinking,’ it’s more people like you don’t want to hear the opinion. I’m sorry you do not understand that their are other works one can read to develop better literacy skills.

And the fact that you are adding to my words or purposely misconstruing them tells me that you do not have people around you who challenge you and live in a bubble. Friends who look like you, talk like you, and have a similar background. I’m sure you are a wealth of knowledge and have very strong ‘critical thinking skills.’

I’ve never stated Shakespeare shouldn’t be read, it just doesn’t need to be read in abundance. I also mostly still just make fun of this post, like I keep having to repeat. Is memory loss becoming more prevalent? Perhaps lower your sugar intake and make sure to eat fruits and vegetables.

Just stop with the pseudo psychological analysis. You went after me, my supposed husband (lol), my kid, now my friends. Go back at being enraged we use the word “cannon” on k-12, that was priceless. You have already proven to be completely incompetent in this discussion, now you want to lecture what my child should learn in school. Ok, list the authors you’d like to add to the curriculum.

Fine. Here is my reading list:

How to Be an Anti-Racist by: Ibram X. Kendi

White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by: Robin Diangelo

So You Want to Talk About Race by: Ijeoma Olou

Stamped from the Beginning: The Definitive History of Racist Ideas in America by: Ibram X. Kendi

Being White, Being Good: White Complicity, White Moral Responsibility, and Social Justice Pedagogy by: Barbara Applebaum

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by: Reni Eddo-Lodge

So while I 100% know white privilege and white supremacy is real, I think that these books in particular are better save for a sociology class. I do think it is important for kids to understand their actions have consequences, like white kids stealing tik tok ideas from minorities blowing up and then not giving the original creators credit is wrong. Things like blackfishing or saying you are a trans racial Korean when you are White is wrong. Those things to need to be learned by not in a lit class.

Here’s my basic idea for some to add, FYI this is from the ‘23 year old’ lol not sure who guessed my age but I am actually 22.

The Tale of Genji
The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle by Haruki Murakami
The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
Plum Bun by Jessie Redmon Fauset
The Color Purple by Alice Walker

Bonus - Cyrano de Bergerac and yes the author is white, I never have advocated for ‘no white people.’ Let’s just add a few others…and some modern things too.

And I’ll say it again, Shakespeare should be read just not ONLY his works.

Interesting list. I did not like Haruki Maurakami’s work but I can see why it’s on the list.

Sigh. No one is saying only read Shakespeare.

The level of stupidity of the person who is voting Republican because some DCUM people want to supplement Shakespeare with other authors is truly pstaggering.

It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

Well I think people are trolling in that regard. But what is racist is suggesting that only white predominantly British authors should be read. And the creation of this thread suggests that at the very least what people in this forum care about is not any kind of diversity, there would never be a post this popular with a suggestion of more diverse reading. (That is not white fragility, as I said before that should be saved for a different class)

I know if you are white you may not understand, but children consciously and unconsciously realize when all the authors/main characters they are made to read are white. When they do talk about people who look like them it’s in terms of slavery, the bombing of Hiroshima, their land being stolen, etc.

Certainly Shakespeare is great but we can add some other authors.

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It's the whole thread. People claiming Shakespeare is "racist." People freaking out at the suggestion that Biblical motifs and stories are appropriate to teach as literature. People making incoherent arguments repeatedly misspelling "canon." People suggesting we read White Fragility in English Lit. It's all ... ugh.

It's all pointing to an incredibly narrow view of he goal of education. But at least for me, it's opening my eyes to what DCPS middle and high schoolers are (not) learning in their curriculum. The idea that English literature should focus only on the legacy of US racism is terrifying.

Lady Cannon is just someone that mindlessly repeats what she heard within her social circle, twitter or faceboook, but these are not just a minority of fringe isolated extremists. Think about where these ideas originate and who is adopting and propagating them. These ideas find their cultural home in universities and their political home in the Democratic party. And it's not only Shakespeare, read the California math framework if you can stomach it, and it's not just the education.